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Re: strikers

Postby Biamp » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:00 pm

mr_nool wrote:If we put our hopes on Guidetti solving our striker problems, i think we are in for a nasty surprise. I don't think he's nearly good enough for us (yet). he should be loaned to a team on the lower half of the table to see if he can cut it in the prem, and to be honset, i think he would struggle to get too much game time. Is he really better than Yakubu, than Fletcher, than Zamora/Cisse, etc.? I think not.


Look at the way Barcelona deal with their players, they keep giving the chance to the likes of Cuenca, Tello, and Fontas. Are they their best options? nonetheless we gotta give the chance to the likes of Guidetti, Wesis and Rekik. Eventually we'll have to play them and they will be lower quality than we have, by playing them alongside world class players day in day out they will improve massively. Add to that, we can't just keep buying world class players. Whats the point of having the academy then? As well as there's no point of buying youngsters then.
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Re: strikers

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:05 pm

I think the big decision on Guidetti will be down to the lad himself. I expect he will be offered a contract but it will be as 3rd or 4th choice.Maybe he will be told that or it will be obvious but would he take that or would he go somewhere to be a guaranteed or almost guaranteed starter.

My gut feleing is that he will go but I really hope he doesnt.
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Re: strikers

Postby brite blu sky » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:53 am

At the moment I'm not looking forward to the summer transfer round. I think City have a lot of tricky shit to sort. Getting shut of Ade and RSC for starters, then seeing what happens with Tevez - if he is playing well with Aguero and co he may end up wanting to stay and the Argie national team influences will be advising he does. If he is team playing and not dicking around then City would keep him yes?

Then the clown.. will he do the right stuff to get out of the last chance saloon ? If not we have to sell another tricky one to offload and find replacement.
Finally Dzeko. A decision has to made on whether he is going to hack it, at least he should be easy to sell tbh. But then that also means another new player found, brought in and gotten up to speed.

Bottom line is it is about as messy as you could get it. Can we get messy?
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Re: strikers

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:10 am

mr_nool wrote:If we put our hopes on Guidetti solving our striker problems, i think we are in for a nasty surprise. I don't think he's nearly good enough for us (yet). he should be loaned to a team on the lower half of the table to see if he can cut it in the prem, and to be honset, i think he would struggle to get too much game time. Is he really better than Yakubu, than Fletcher, than Zamora/Cisse, etc.? I think not.


He doesn't have to be. (But I'm better than Fletcher).

He just has to do the job we ask of him.

Imo, Hernandez isn't very good at all & would get railroaded out of the club if he started every game, but he doesn't, he gets the odd game, lots of sub appearences & he keeps nicking goals for the rags.


I thought I saw somebody fuck off down the tunnel very quickly was it Dzeko ?

Surely if he is part of our plans, he would have started yesterday & if he did 'do one' after his less then arsed cameo on the pitch, it may be an indication that his days are numbered.

Bob says Balotelli will be 'ready' for Utd, so I doubt he's going anywhere.
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Re: strikers

Postby Sideshow Bob » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:48 am

dzeko is gone, and he knows it. to be honest, i'm still not sure what happened with him this season. clearly doesn't like the rotation. did he start every single match at wolfsburg??
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Re: strikers

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:38 pm

brite blu sky wrote:At the moment I'm not looking forward to the summer transfer round. I think City have a lot of tricky shit to sort. Getting shut of Ade and RSC for starters, then seeing what happens with Tevez - if he is playing well with Aguero and co he may end up wanting to stay and the Argie national team influences will be advising he does. If he is team playing and not dicking around then City would keep him yes?

Then the clown.. will he do the right stuff to get out of the last chance saloon ? If not we have to sell another tricky one to offload and find replacement.
Finally Dzeko. A decision has to made on whether he is going to hack it, at least he should be easy to sell tbh. But then that also means another new player found, brought in and gotten up to speed.

Bottom line is it is about as messy as you could get it. Can we get messy?


An excellent post and one which echoes my own 'fears' about the summer transfer merry-go-round.

Given the FFP threat hanging over our heads like a veritable Sword of Damocles, I think the Manager (whomsoever he [or she ??] may be by the start of next season) has to do a lot of hard thinking about how the team should be set up and how it should play next season, before acquiring any new players. For instance, one completely horrible way would be to re-inforce the defence so much that we hardly ever concede any goals, if any at all; working on the premise that if we drew every game 0-0, then we would acquire 38 points for starters.

If we could then score a minimum of one goal in each of our home games in order to win all our home fixtures (not an impossibility, given this season's record to date), we would then amass a further 38 points, bringing our total up to 76 in all.

Appreciating that our away record this season has been indifferent (would that be a suitably euphemistic way of phrasing it ??), if we could grind out 1-0 victories in, say, seven of our away fixtures (not unrealistic), that would garner a further 14 points bringing the grand total to 90 points in all which, in many/most seasons, would be enough to win the title.

Such a 'Mourinhoesque' approach would be a nightmare to watch but it would only mean we needed to buy Neven Subotic at centre-back and perhaps another defensive midfielder (to partner Big Nige) which would not break the Bank unduly in FFP terms, provided we cleared out all the dead wood from the squad.

The converse could also be considered i.e we were set up to play all-out attack in the Keegan mould, on the premise that if we were to concede four goals, we would score five to claim the points. Under such a philosophy, it wouldn't matter about buying any new defenders as anyone - even Neven Subotic - in the back line would look pretty poor, given such a wide open approach and 'luxuries' such as defensive midfielders would be totally unnecessary in such a system. However, the squad would need five or six top-class forwards (three or four of them would be playing in every game), so we'd probably have to go after Lavezzi and Cavani for starters, which might have an adverse on our FFP prospects. Under such circumstances, it might be financially more prudent to make peace with Adebayor and retain him in the squad rather than trying to buy someone else.

Between these two sets of extremes (the boringly pragmatic and the heart-attack inducing exciting), there is the middle way of retaining the correct balance between defense and attack but, if at any time we were to lose the services - through injury, illness, suspension or any other reason - of any (or all) of players such as Hart, Kompany, Silva and Aguero etc, would we have adequate replacements immediately available in the squad, or would we need to buy big again in the summer ??

All in all, there are some really difficult choices and decisions to be made this summer and I can't say I'm relishing the prospect overmuch......or, instead, should we just thumb our noses at FFP and go out and buy whomsoever we want ????
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Re: strikers

Postby Grob » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:44 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:


Interesting post.

For me, one of the big things we miss in away games is a striker who will put defenders under pressure for long periods. Aguero puts alot of effort in but I wouldnt say he gives defenders a hard time physically.

Wanchope used to be excellent at this, regardless of whether his touch was up to much in the game, he would constantly make himself a target and constantly cause problems for defenders, sadly neither he or his teamates at the time had much quality about them to take advantage of mistakes.

I think a player of this ilk would be of great benefit in tight away games.

Cavani immediately comes to mind.

And it makes me wonder how we would have got on if Tevez had started more away games as he can put the last man under pressure.
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