Mancini has to go?

[geepeetee]

Just a heads up or Saturday if Bobby reads this, Norwich are like Swansea , thye will let us play our game. they have a decent target man in Holt,midfield like to get forward, sharp on the 2nd ball and have good energy, Back 4 is ok nothing special, The fans will be well up for it. They have a good manager who likes to play proper football, we are better than them Fact.

" SO LETS NOT BE FUCKING ABOUT WITH ANY THOUGHTS OF PLAYING IT TIGHT, KOLAROV WILL NOT BE REQUIED, AS WE WILLHAVE TO DEFEND WELL. STICK TO THE STRONGEST TEAM PLEASE, GET ANOTHER 3 POINTS CHEERS.

"if bobby reads this" you balloon! Do you think he will take your comments on board. I expect platt and kidd are crapping themselves!!!!!

[Blue Since 76]

" SO LETS NOT BE FUCKING ABOUT WITH ANY THOUGHTS OF PLAYING IT TIGHT, KOLAROV WILL NOT BE REQUIED, AS WE WILLHAVE TO DEFEND WELL. STICK TO THE STRONGEST TEAM PLEASE, GET ANOTHER 3 POINTS CHEERS.

if only. If the only change is Yaya back, if fit, I'll start to believe that maybe he's capable of learning and accepting he was wrong.

We also need to start at the same tempo, closing space down all over the pitch. Rather than just wandering about for an hour until they score.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I have read some of this thread and it's been overall good debate with points for both arguments but realistically Mancini has to stay.

We are making progress and along the way mistakes are being made. That's good isnt it and if no mistakes were made at all it would be freaky. And of course the mistakes are the opinions of some and not all.The 3 things for me are 1) what the hell happened to our away form 2) assuming the mistakes are agreed has the manager learned from them 3) do we have plans to get even better.

Re 2 I am sure he has but we will only know in the future and I guess only league success will determine this.Re 3 I am 100% certain that Mancini will have fully evaluated the squad we have and be clear in how it needs renewing and reshaping.He will have targets out there to improve not only the first team" but also the squad.

I was thinking about Savic when I read the battering he got on here and in other threads.Is he really that bad? I certainly don't think so although agreeing he isnt ready yet for a first team place with us yet. But maybe he can mature into the quality defender Mancini presumably saw initially.Only time will tell.He will have made a decision I am sure re whether to hang on and work with him even if it takes another year or so or just get rid and it will be based as much on his character while he is being slaughtered as the ability he has.

Back to what happened to our away form.I wish I knew exactly what it was but we might find out a bit more with the next 2 games whether Mancini has worked it out. Norwich and Wolves are games we should be winning.

[Tesl]

tonights result has spelled to me why he should go. I am not happy after tonight. We should have rested Silva 3 months ago and it has took another suspension for him to leave out special needs up front. Yet again Mancini stumbled into a victory. The sooner we replace him with Pardew the better.

Almost for sure you (and a few other similar posters) are rags on a windup here.

I have read some of this thread and it's been overall good debate with points for both arguments but realistically Mancini has to stay.

We are making progress and along the way mistakes are being made. That's good isnt it and if no mistakes were made at all it would be freaky. And of course the mistakes are the opinions of some and not all.The 3 things for me are 1) what the hell happened to our away form 2) assuming the mistakes are agreed has the manager learned from them 3) do we have plans to get even better.

Re 2 I am sure he has but we will only know in the future and I guess only league success will determine this.Re 3 I am 100% certain that Mancini will have fully evaluated the squad we have and be clear in how it needs renewing and reshaping.He will have targets out there to improve not only the first team" but also the squad.

I was thinking about Savic when I read the battering he got on here and in other threads.Is he really that bad? I certainly don't think so although agreeing he isnt ready yet for a first team place with us yet. But maybe he can mature into the quality defender Mancini presumably saw initially.Only time will tell.He will have made a decision I am sure re whether to hang on and work with him even if it takes another year or so or just get rid and it will be based as much on his character while he is being slaughtered as the ability he has.

Back to what happened to our away form.I wish I knew exactly what it was but we might find out a bit more with the next 2 games whether Mancini has worked it out. Norwich and Wolves are games we should be winning.

Absolutely correct.

I haven't been able to read most of this thread because the knee-jerking is insane. At the very beginning of this season I don't remember many people saying "He has to win the league this year or he is out", and that is basically what I'm reading now. Hes almost being a victim of his own success, its due to the good work from Mancini that we got ourselves into such a strong position in the first place.

This is one of the few times I've read a thread and felt actually quite embarrassed about it. You guys are getting as bad as the lot on Bluemoon. Heck, even RAWK people would find the majority of opinions in this thread ridiculous.

We are on for our record points total, and one in which in many other seasons we would have won the league. This year we might be undone slightly because Utd have kept scraping points somehow, and that's life and that's football. We have been a distance ahead of everyone else and Utd have done much better this year than last year, so basically everyone here wants Mancini out because Utd have had a ridiculous amount of luck. Doesn't make sense to me.

As far as I'm concerned, since Mancini has come in we have always been on a positive upwards trajectory. 5th, 3rd, 2nd. Although obviously I hope we manage to somehow pull it off this year, even if we don't manage it I'm very optimistic for next year with Mancini in charge.

The only argument I could accept for considering changing managers would be if the board felt that Mourinho/Guardiola were a level above and realistically who we need to match the boards level of expectation (ie, world domination!). Most of the other names in this thread are embarrassing -- there are seriously people who want MoN or Rodgers from Swansea? You people are nuts.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

tonights result has spelled to me why he should go. I am not happy after tonight. We should have rested Silva 3 months ago and it has took another suspension for him to leave out special needs up front. Yet again Mancini stumbled into a victory. The sooner we replace him with Pardew the better.

Almost for sure you (and a few other similar posters) are rags on a windup here.

LMAO

Dev's new alias gets it's first scalp.

[Ted Hughes]

When he killed the atmosphere stone dead last night, by taking off Silva just as he was finding form, Tevez the instant he scored etc etc, thinking of the chessboard for Saturday rather than building up the buzz which was going round the ground, it brought about the most negative reaction around me, that I've seen since he arrived at the club.

Something special was happening in the ground. Just let it happen for a few more minutes. He can't feel it. Within minutes, people who had been up doing the Poznan roaring the team on, were sat in silence, wheras others were going home. Some were even groaning & getting annoyed as the ball bounced off Dzeko.

I like Mancini. He's a nice chap underneath & he has done a great job this season on the whole. He's also a fucking robot & that is why we're not top of the league.

We have to keep him imo, & he will win the league sooner or later but I wish he was somebody else doing the same job. Someone with a soul.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

When he killed the atmosphere stone dead last night, by taking off Silva just as he was finding form, Tevez the instant he scored etc etc, thinking of the chessboard for Saturday rather than building up the buzz which was going round the ground, it brought about the most negative reaction around me, that I've seen since he arrived at the club.

Something special was happening in the ground. Just let it happen for a few more minutes. He can't feel it. Within minutes, people who had been up doing the Poznan roaring the team on, were sat in silence, wheras others were going home. Some were even groaning & getting annoyed as the ball bounced off Dzeko.

I like Mancini. He's a nice chap underneath & he has done a great job this season on the whole. He's also a fucking robot & that is why we're not top of the league.

We have to keep him imo, & he will win the league sooner or later but I wish he was somebody else doing the same job. Someone with a soul.

As big of a Mancini licker as I am, I kind of agree with you. He is not really from the "go all out for entertainment" school.

But he is a good manager and proven winner and, like you said, will win us the title given time.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I feel you're being a tad harsh there Ted. I see your point but bear in mind we've another tough away game in 3 days so when the job was done he rested them, sensible I thought.

[brite blu sky]

Nice comments Doug, can't believe you are opening the Savic can to let all the worms out again. I have the feeling Ted would actually strangle him given the opportunity. Personally I've seen good stuff from Savic, but there are serious deficencies to his game that make him a liability, he is not complete and probs should not have been thrown in. But anyone can see that so like you say he at least deserves time to see if he can build up his game. He has cost us yes, but so has Yaya, DeJong, Barry, Kompany, Lescott, Hart, Micah with untimely mistakes.

As for away form and the teams plight, I have reduced it to the simple idea that we clammed up and bottled it, players mainly but Mancini also didn't help. It remains to be see but having now been through that experience of tightening up for no apparent reason other than pressure, they all learn. IF they recover top spot in the next weeks they will be in a much better place to deal with it. Like perhaps all of us at the minute we are waiting to see if the lessons have been learnt at Norwich before we can say for sure they have turned it round.

I just think that the lot of them including Mancini just need to go and enjoy playing their football, do that and the next 6 will fall at their feet. To that end Bob is right in saying forget the title, just have a good end to the season.

[Ted Hughes]

When he killed the atmosphere stone dead last night, by taking off Silva just as he was finding form, Tevez the instant he scored etc etc, thinking of the chessboard for Saturday rather than building up the buzz which was going round the ground, it brought about the most negative reaction around me, that I've seen since he arrived at the club.

Something special was happening in the ground. Just let it happen for a few more minutes. He can't feel it. Within minutes, people who had been up doing the Poznan roaring the team on, were sat in silence, wheras others were going home. Some were even groaning & getting annoyed as the ball bounced off Dzeko.

I like Mancini. He's a nice chap underneath & he has done a great job this season on the whole. He's also a fucking robot & that is why we're not top of the league.

We have to keep him imo, & he will win the league sooner or later but I wish he was somebody else doing the same job. Someone with a soul.

As big of a Mancini licker as I am, I kind of agree with you. He is not really from the "go all out for entertainment" school.

But he is a good manager and proven winner and, like you said, will win us the title given time.

There was a real wave of optimism & belief starting to spread around the ground last night & Silva was starting to become Silva again in respose. Had we got even another five or ten mins of it, I'd really fancy Norwich to get their pants pulled down on Sat.

It may wel still happen but I'd be a bit more confident if he'd just let that buzz go on a bit longer. The fans are an extra player.

He can be a really great manager but if he is to be that, rather than just a coach, he has to learn to grasp moments like this & also the other end of the scale like at Arsenal, where doing the tactically correct thing is actually the opposite of what you should be doing.

[Ted Hughes]

Nice comments Doug, can't believe you are opening the Savic can to let all the worms out again. I have the feeling Ted would actually strangle him given the opportunity. Personally I've seen good stuff from Savic, but there are serious deficencies to his game that make him a liability, he is not complete and probs should not have been thrown in. But anyone can see that so like you say he at least deserves time to see if he can build up his game. He has cost us yes, but so has Yaya, DeJong, Barry, Kompany, Lescott, Hart, Micah with untimely mistakes.

As for away form and the teams plight, I have reduced it to the simple idea that we clammed up and bottled it, players mainly but Mancini also didn't help. It remains to be see but having now been through that experience of tightening up for no apparent reason other than pressure, they all learn. IF they recover top spot in the next weeks they will be in a much better place to deal with it. Like perhaps all of us at the minute we are waiting to see if the lessons have been learnt at Norwich before we can say for sure they have turned it round.

I just think that the lot of them including Mancini just need to go and enjoy playing their football, do that and the next 6 will fall at their feet. To that end Bob is right in saying forget the title, just have a good end to the season.

I saw Alan Kernaghan do a couple of good things.

I have no idea whether Savic can turn into Bobby Moore but why does he deserve time to become City's CB any more than any other 21 year old ? What has he shown us that means we have to persevere with him ? Why can't we just sign someone who looks like a really promising CB & persevere with him (but not in the 1st team) instead ?

[brite blu sky]

When he killed the atmosphere stone dead last night, by taking off Silva just as he was finding form, Tevez the instant he scored etc etc, thinking of the chessboard for Saturday rather than building up the buzz which was going round the ground, it brought about the most negative reaction around me, that I've seen since he arrived at the club.

Something special was happening in the ground. Just let it happen for a few more minutes. He can't feel it. Within minutes, people who had been up doing the Poznan roaring the team on, were sat in silence, wheras others were going home. Some were even groaning & getting annoyed as the ball bounced off Dzeko.

I like Mancini. He's a nice chap underneath & he has done a great job this season on the whole. He's also a fucking robot & that is why we're not top of the league.

We have to keep him imo, & he will win the league sooner or later but I wish he was somebody else doing the same job. Someone with a soul.

Interesting take ted, but for me that just proves why fans are not managers and can't think like them. I'd take the point for the fans he could have milked the atmosphere a wee bit more.. but how much more, enough for you, or some kids behind the goal or...
Nah, when his best players are going to be needed at 12.45 on Sat and were looking particularly knackered recently or not fully match fit, best to get them off while the going is good and look to them picking up where they left off next time out.

If Silva has gained a bit of mojo, he will be raring to go on Sat. simples
If the fans can't appreciate 4 goals and some sublime play then I really don't know what is going to satisfy them.

[Ted Hughes]

When he killed the atmosphere stone dead last night, by taking off Silva just as he was finding form, Tevez the instant he scored etc etc, thinking of the chessboard for Saturday rather than building up the buzz which was going round the ground, it brought about the most negative reaction around me, that I've seen since he arrived at the club.

Something special was happening in the ground. Just let it happen for a few more minutes. He can't feel it. Within minutes, people who had been up doing the Poznan roaring the team on, were sat in silence, wheras others were going home. Some were even groaning & getting annoyed as the ball bounced off Dzeko.

I like Mancini. He's a nice chap underneath & he has done a great job this season on the whole. He's also a fucking robot & that is why we're not top of the league.

We have to keep him imo, & he will win the league sooner or later but I wish he was somebody else doing the same job. Someone with a soul.

Interesting take ted, but for me that just proves why fans are not managers and can't think like them. I'd take the point for the fans he could have milked the atmosphere a wee bit more.. but how much more, enough for you, or some kids behind the goal or...
Nah, when his best players are going to be needed at 12.45 on Sat and were looking particularly knackered recently or not fully match fit, best to get them off while the going is good and look to them picking up where they left off next time out.

If Silva has gained a bit of mojo, he will be raring to go on Sat. simples
If the fans can't appreciate 4 goals and some sublime play then I really don't know what is going to satisfy them.

If Guardiola had been in charge Silva would have probably finished the game. It's not just fans who think like that.

And you are missing the whole point, just like Bob.

[kinkylola]

If Guardiola had been in charge Silva would have probably finished the game. It's not just fans who think like that.

And you are missing the whole point, just like Bob.

Silva who has looked totally knackered, possibly carrying an injury and recently had to sit out a game? That silva? He should play a full 90 against a physical team who are beginning to get frustrated?

Sorry, i completely disagree with you and would rather have silva fully fit. I think he probably could have left tevez on to help his fitness, but probably wanted to give dzeko a chance to look hungry... Which failed.

If mancini thought getting the players on a buzz would be more beneficial, he would have acted a such. And who knows if that would have even have been the result?

The second guessing is getting ridiculous.

[brite blu sky]

When he killed the atmosphere stone dead last night, by taking off Silva just as he was finding form, Tevez the instant he scored etc etc, thinking of the chessboard for Saturday rather than building up the buzz which was going round the ground, it brought about the most negative reaction around me, that I've seen since he arrived at the club.

Something special was happening in the ground. Just let it happen for a few more minutes. He can't feel it. Within minutes, people who had been up doing the Poznan roaring the team on, were sat in silence, wheras others were going home. Some were even groaning & getting annoyed as the ball bounced off Dzeko.

I like Mancini. He's a nice chap underneath & he has done a great job this season on the whole. He's also a fucking robot & that is why we're not top of the league.

We have to keep him imo, & he will win the league sooner or later but I wish he was somebody else doing the same job. Someone with a soul.

Interesting take ted, but for me that just proves why fans are not managers and can't think like them. I'd take the point for the fans he could have milked the atmosphere a wee bit more.. but how much more, enough for you, or some kids behind the goal or...
Nah, when his best players are going to be needed at 12.45 on Sat and were looking particularly knackered recently or not fully match fit, best to get them off while the going is good and look to them picking up where they left off next time out.

If Silva has gained a bit of mojo, he will be raring to go on Sat. simples
If the fans can't appreciate 4 goals and some sublime play then I really don't know what is going to satisfy them.

If Guardiola had been in charge Silva would have probably finished the game. It's not just fans who think like that.

And you are missing the whole point, just like Bob.

I'm not missing the point, but if I am then I'm glad, as the fans at the Etihad will not be there at Norwich, but Silva and Tevez and the others will be. For what it is worth, that you will disagree with because I'm trashing your lovely point, is that the players already got the good vibe from the fans as you pointed out, that's all they need.. maybe that is a bit robotic but if it has Silva and Tevez champing at the bit for Sat then Bob will have done his job and used the fans and the games' good tonic to great effect.
So, with respect to your point, I'm glad that Mancini is not so emotional. If there was no game on Sat it would be a different matter altogether.

[Plain Speaking]

When he killed the atmosphere stone dead last night, by taking off Silva just as he was finding form, Tevez the instant he scored etc etc, thinking of the chessboard for Saturday rather than building up the buzz which was going round the ground, it brought about the most negative reaction around me, that I've seen since he arrived at the club.

Something special was happening in the ground. Just let it happen for a few more minutes. He can't feel it. Within minutes, people who had been up doing the Poznan roaring the team on, were sat in silence, wheras others were going home. Some were even groaning & getting annoyed as the ball bounced off Dzeko.

I like Mancini. He's a nice chap underneath & he has done a great job this season on the whole. He's also a fucking robot & that is why we're not top of the league.

We have to keep him imo, & he will win the league sooner or later but I wish he was somebody else doing the same job. Someone with a soul.

A good post, however to look at it from another viewpoint. I think Mancini seemed to be trying to get something from Dzeko and AJ from the "feel good" factor buzzing around the stadium. Another goal involving either of them them would have created a more widespread happiness throughout the squad. We can look back with hindsight and say it did not work but if there was a time for AJ and Dzeko to be introduced with "no pressure" surely it was this. I agree Silva was superb in the 2nd half but he was probably trying to protect him having found his mojo again. Looking back the body language of Dzeko was atrocious and I'm sure he has mentally "packed his bags" to leave. I expect AJ to leave too.

[Ted Hughes]

When he killed the atmosphere stone dead last night, by taking off Silva just as he was finding form, Tevez the instant he scored etc etc, thinking of the chessboard for Saturday rather than building up the buzz which was going round the ground, it brought about the most negative reaction around me, that I've seen since he arrived at the club.

Something special was happening in the ground. Just let it happen for a few more minutes. He can't feel it. Within minutes, people who had been up doing the Poznan roaring the team on, were sat in silence, wheras others were going home. Some were even groaning & getting annoyed as the ball bounced off Dzeko.

I like Mancini. He's a nice chap underneath & he has done a great job this season on the whole. He's also a fucking robot & that is why we're not top of the league.

We have to keep him imo, & he will win the league sooner or later but I wish he was somebody else doing the same job. Someone with a soul.

Interesting take ted, but for me that just proves why fans are not managers and can't think like them. I'd take the point for the fans he could have milked the atmosphere a wee bit more.. but how much more, enough for you, or some kids behind the goal or...
Nah, when his best players are going to be needed at 12.45 on Sat and were looking particularly knackered recently or not fully match fit, best to get them off while the going is good and look to them picking up where they left off next time out.

If Silva has gained a bit of mojo, he will be raring to go on Sat. simples
If the fans can't appreciate 4 goals and some sublime play then I really don't know what is going to satisfy them.

If Guardiola had been in charge Silva would have probably finished the game. It's not just fans who think like that.

And you are missing the whole point, just like Bob.

I'm not missing the point, but if I am then I'm glad, as the fans at the Etihad will not be there at Norwich, but Silva and Tevez and the others will be. For what it is worth, that you will disagree with because I'm trashing your lovely point, is that the players already got the good vibe from the fans as you pointed out, that's all they need.. maybe that is a bit robotic but if it has Silva and Tevez champing at the bit for Sat then Bob will have done his job and used the fans and the games' good tonic to great effect.
So, with respect to your point, I'm glad that Mancini is not so emotional. If there was no game on Sat it would be a different matter altogether.

Fans will be there on Saturday & the following & the one after that & the one after that.

Half the time this season, they have been stood with their arms folded, biting their fingernails rather than raising the team to better heights. It might not come accross on tv but it does in the ground; yesterday was different. If the psychology & positive attitude around the club didn't matter, Ferguson & his mates in the media wouldn't bother spending every day trying to kill it off.

[Sideshow Bob]

AJ was brilliant last night. was glad to see him get some game time, albeit in a meaningless cameo.

[Beefymcfc]

When he killed the atmosphere stone dead last night, by taking off Silva just as he was finding form, Tevez the instant he scored etc etc, thinking of the chessboard for Saturday rather than building up the buzz which was going round the ground, it brought about the most negative reaction around me, that I've seen since he arrived at the club.

Something special was happening in the ground. Just let it happen for a few more minutes. He can't feel it. Within minutes, people who had been up doing the Poznan roaring the team on, were sat in silence, wheras others were going home. Some were even groaning & getting annoyed as the ball bounced off Dzeko.

I like Mancini. He's a nice chap underneath & he has done a great job this season on the whole. He's also a fucking robot & that is why we're not top of the league.

We have to keep him imo, & he will win the league sooner or later but I wish he was somebody else doing the same job. Someone with a soul.

Is that you, Ted? You are the man who talks clear tactics and the need to win games with different options but now are criticising because Mancini made tactical substitutions to save players for Norwich?

[Ted Hughes]

When he killed the atmosphere stone dead last night, by taking off Silva just as he was finding form, Tevez the instant he scored etc etc, thinking of the chessboard for Saturday rather than building up the buzz which was going round the ground, it brought about the most negative reaction around me, that I've seen since he arrived at the club.

Something special was happening in the ground. Just let it happen for a few more minutes. He can't feel it. Within minutes, people who had been up doing the Poznan roaring the team on, were sat in silence, wheras others were going home. Some were even groaning & getting annoyed as the ball bounced off Dzeko.

I like Mancini. He's a nice chap underneath & he has done a great job this season on the whole. He's also a fucking robot & that is why we're not top of the league.

We have to keep him imo, & he will win the league sooner or later but I wish he was somebody else doing the same job. Someone with a soul.

Is that you, Ted? You are the man who talks clear tactics and the need to win games with different options but now are criticising because Mancini made tactical substitutions to save players for Norwich?

I've been arguing quite the opposite for ages mate. I've been saying stuff the tactics & just go for it.