Refereeing

[Vhero]

All refs are supposed to be looked at but only at the end of the season. No doubt there should be some shuffling about with them but of course the ones who give the rags the title (if they get it) will keep there jobs as PL refs.

[Beefymcfc]

I think it's because there is so much TV coverage of events.
Super fit athletes(the players) play at speed that and that can be analysed in slo mo, from angles that a pair of eyes that have make a decision only see once.The technology conveying it is 21st centuary the application of the rules needs to catch up.

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Surely to God in this computer age and in in a billion dollar industry we can use the same technology to instantly verify or nullify game changing decisions from the sidelines? The species argument about it taking up time is ridiculous. How long do we have to wait for players to be peeled off the referee when these things occur?

Only 3 areas need be covered

Crossing the goal line, (cf spuds yesterday etc)
Border line penalties ( or in the case of the scum, every penalty decision...)
Whether or not a challenge warrants a red card.


Video analysis can be used both ways.

It should be even easier. For a goal-line incident that the ref is not sure of, the game should carry on as the norm and it be referred to the 4th official to take a quick look at the monitor. If it's a goal, give it, if not, the game has continued as normal. For other infractions such as dives, off the ball incidents etc, the ref should have it in his power to include items of note in his match report for investigation later, as in Rugby. If none of the officials have seen it then the ref should ask for any incident of note from the managers and if retro action is needed to be taken, then it's within a set time limit.

Using the above, it would not impact on our current viewing but would bring about what we all want - fairness. However, is fairness what the estblishment want?

[Ted Hughes]

I think it's because there is so much TV coverage of events.
Super fit athletes(the players) play at speed that and that can be analysed in slo mo, from angles that a pair of eyes that have make a decision only see once.The technology conveying it is 21st centuary the application of the rules needs to catch up.

This

Surely to God in this computer age and in in a billion dollar industry we can use the same technology to instantly verify or nullify game changing decisions from the sidelines? The species argument about it taking up time is ridiculous. How long do we have to wait for players to be peeled off the referee when these things occur?

Only 3 areas need be covered

Crossing the goal line, (cf spuds yesterday etc)
Border line penalties ( or in the case of the scum, every penalty decision...)
Whether or not a challenge warrants a red card.


Video analysis can be used both ways.

If you listen to the various ex pros etc, even if there was video evidence, they would still give him a penalty. Most of them have cheated from time to time, so many are not interested in outing people for doing what they do themselves.

We have our own occasional cheats with Balotelli/AJ etc. They don't do it as often but if they do it just once, they can't call Young for doing it ten times because they've still done it. That's how it works. Everyone does what the rags do, but they do more of it & they get more decisions when they do it.

The people behind the cameras are the same people who give the rags pens in the 1st place & subject to the same intimidation & bias. They will just make it legal.

[johnny crossan]

Atkinson spot on - who needs technology?

[Rag_hater]

Atkinson spot on - who needs technology?

You just used it to make your point.

[Ted Hughes]

Is that photoshopped ?

[london blue 2]

Is that photoshopped ?

No not as far as i know.. It's still not conclusive from that angle though is it?

[Im_Spartacus]

Is that photoshopped ?

The spuds defenders feet were definately not goal side of the line when shown from the side last night. He has been moved back in that picture.

Looks like its definately been tampered with.

[Plain Speaking]

Is that photoshopped ?

The spuds defenders feet were definately not goal side of the line when shown from the side last night. He has been moved back in that picture.

Looks like its definately been tampered with.

I dont think its been tampered with its just the perspective. The ball didnt cross the line.

[gillie]

Is that photoshopped ?

The spuds defenders feet were definately not goal side of the line when shown from the side last night. He has been moved back in that picture.

Looks like its definately been tampered with.

I dont think its been tampered with its just the perspective. The ball didnt cross the line.

You are dead right mate its the perspective.

[Wonderwall]

As someone who has reffed many times and now my lad is a qualified ref. I can guarantee its a very difficult job, I wouldnt be a prem ref for all the tea in china. My lad is always getting grief off parents, even if he got it spot on, even at kids U10 level. The big pro lem I have is when you know refs have an agenda aginst your team and its blatantly obvious. Just like clattenburg has with bellamy and was overheard targetting him before the game and ended up sending him off for no reason.

[Ted Hughes]

If You look at the width of the line compared to the width of the ball, with a normal lens blown up like that, the ball should be much bigger in proportion to the line, unless the ball is further away, hence over the line.

That looks as if areas are doctored to me. Whatever, it's not possible imo for that picture to be correct & ITV'S technology to be correct, the difference between their comuter image & the position of the ball in that picture is huge. Either that's doctored or ITV's computer is wrong.

[Rag_hater]

The interview Terry gave after the match said he was pretty sure it was not a goal like he was taking the piss aswell as being found out.

[Im_Spartacus]

If You look at the width of the line compared to the width of the ball, with a normal lens blown up like that, the ball should be much bigger in proportion to the line, unless the ball is further away, hence over the line.

That looks as if areas are doctored to me. Whatever, it's not possible imo for that picture to be correct & ITV'S technology to be correct, the difference between their comuter image & the position of the ball in that picture is huge. Either that's doctored or ITV's computer is wrong.

The 6 yard box line would be the same width as the goal line no? It looks so thin in comparison to the goal line, one or other has been amended

[Ted Hughes]

If You look at the width of the line compared to the width of the ball, with a normal lens blown up like that, the ball should be much bigger in proportion to the line, unless the ball is further away, hence over the line.

That looks as if areas are doctored to me. Whatever, it's not possible imo for that picture to be correct & ITV'S technology to be correct, the difference between their comuter image & the position of the ball in that picture is huge. Either that's doctored or ITV's computer is wrong.

The 6 yard box line would be the same width as the goal line no? It looks so thin in comparison to the goal line, one or other has been amended

Could be the angle/grass in the way but either way, the position ITV showed that ball on their computer, it would be obscuring part of Ledley King's arm in that picture, telephoto lens or not. It was a good foot further forward. One of them is wrong.

[zuricity]

The interview Terry gave after the match said he was pretty sure it was not a goal like he was taking the piss aswell as being found out.

this is my point about the whole sordid business, John Terry as captain of Chelsea isn't man enough to go over to the ref and say 'look mate, take it from me, the ball was not over the line. we can beat Spurs without this kind of help, give 'em a drop ball and i'll kick it over the line for a goal kick'

cos he's just as bent as the rest, not one set of balls between 'em .

this is a modern day phenominon, all out to get something for free without the decency to say no it was wrong.

All the bloodsuckers on sky and talkshite are worse than the scumbag politicians who nick your hard earned pay ( expenses for example).

at the top of the tree is that arse Ferguson, got the absolute balls to tell us it was a bit of a weak penalty, i'll kick him in his gammy leg to explain to him and the talkshite brownnosers 'what contact really is' in the penalty area.

there might be a lot of united fans who will cheat, but not all of them are and i'm sure many will be shocked at both fergies and youngs behaviour, just as many on here are pointing out.

it has to stop this season, otherwise there will be empty stadia like in Italy, the home of corruption in football.

[Swales4ever]

at the top of the tree is that arse Ferguson, got the absolute balls to tell us it was a bit of a weak penalty, i'll kick him in his gammy leg to explain to him and the talkshite brownnosers 'what contact really is' in the penalty area.

absolute loving.
great as ever.

[Original Dub]

this is my point about the whole sordid business, John Terry as captain of Chelsea isn't man enough to go over to the ref and say 'look mate, take it from me, the ball was not over the line. we can beat Spurs without this kind of help, give 'em a drop ball and i'll kick it over the line for a goal kick'

cos he's just as bent as the rest, not one set of balls between 'em .

this is a modern day phenominon, all out to get something for free without the decency to say no it was wrong.

All the bloodsuckers on sky and talkshite are worse than the scumbag politicians who nick your hard earned pay ( expenses for example).

at the top of the tree is that arse Ferguson, got the absolute balls to tell us it was a bit of a weak penalty, i'll kick him in his gammy leg to explain to him and the talkshite brownnosers 'what contact really is' in the penalty area.

there might be a lot of united fans who will cheat, but not all of them are and i'm sure many will be shocked at both fergies and youngs behaviour, just as many on here are pointing out.

it has to stop this season, otherwise there will be empty stadia like in Italy, the home of corruption in football.

Top post mate.

[GhoulishZombie]

I think the ref gets a new car for every penalty going for the rags!

[Blue in the face]

Why does nobody point out that Terry took out two defenders and the keeper before the "goal" incident.