We're In Pot 2!!!

[dazby]

If someone quotes this list there'll be trouble.

[razor400]

When this last seasons chumps league is added in. We've gone up 14 places.
UEFA Team Ranking 2012
Last update: Wed, 09 May 2012 22:38:41 CET > 2013

07/08 08/09 09/10 10/11 11/12 ranking
1 FC Barcelona Esp 27.7750 28.6624 30.5856 36.6428 34.1714 157.837
2 Manchester United Eng 32.5750 28.0000 28.5856 36.6714 16.0250 141.857
3 Chelsea Eng 28.5750 25.0000 22.5856 26.6714 32.0250 134.857
4 Bayern München Ger 22.7000 22.5374 30.6166 24.1332 32.0166 132.003
5 Real Madrid Esp 14.7750 14.6624 22.5856 33.6428 36.1714 121.837
6 Arsenal Eng 21.5750 22.0000 25.5856 22.6714 22.0250 113.857
7 Internazionale Ita 16.0500 13.2750 34.0856 21.3142 20.2714 104.996
8 Atlético Madrid Esp 14.7750 17.6624 24.5856 9.6428 34.1714 100.837
9 FC Porto Por 15.5856 17.3570 21.0000 31.7600 12.3666 98.069
10 Olympique Lyon Fra 13.3856 15.2000 28.0000 19.1500 19.1000 94.835
11 Liverpool Eng 24.5750 23.0000 24.5856 15.6714 3.0250 90.857
12 AC Milan Ita 16.0500 14.2750 19.0856 18.3142 22.2714 89.996
13 Valencia Esp 9.7750 13.6624 19.5856 21.6428 25.1714 89.837
14 Benfica Por 12.5856 4.3570 21.0000 25.7600 23.3666 87.069
15 Olympique Marseille Fra 13.3856 14.2000 17.0000 20.1500 21.1000 85.835
16 Shakhtar Donetsk Ukr 7.9750 29.3250 11.1600 26.0166 9.5500 84.026
17 Sporting CP Lisbon Por 18.5856 13.3570 14.0000 13.7600 22.3666 82.069
18 CSKA Moscow Rus 6.2500 18.9500 21.2332 16.1832 17.9500 80.566
19 Villarreal Esp 15.7750 18.6624 10.5856 26.6428 8.1714 79.837
20 Zenit St. Petersburg Rus 23.2500 14.9500 2.7332 18.1832 19.9500 79.066
21 Schalke 04 Ger 15.7000 8.5374 3.6166 30.1332 20.0166 78.003
22 PSV Eindhoven Ned 17.0000 6.2666 13.8832 20.2332 18.7200 76.103
23 Werder Bremen Ger 15.7000 24.5374 18.6166 11.1332 3.0166 73.003
24 Hamburger SV Ger 18.7000 24.5374 21.6166 3.1332 3.0166 71.003
25 Sevilla Esp 18.7750 10.6624 22.5856 12.6428 5.6714 70.337
26 AS Roma Ita 19.0500 16.2750 12.0856 18.3142 3.7714 69.496
27 Tottenham Hotspur Eng 16.5750 12.0000 3.5856 24.6714 10.0250 66.857
28 Manchester City Eng 3.5750 20.0000 3.5856 16.6714 20.0250 63.857
29 Sporting Braga Por 8.5856 13.3570 3.0000 25.7600 12.3666 63.069
30 Fiorentina Ita 23.0500 11.2750 24.0856 2.3142 2.2714 62.996
31 Dinamo Kiev Ukr 3.9750 22.3250 9.1600 19.0166 7.5500 62.026
32 Olympiakos Piraeus Gre 14.5000 9.3000 17.5800 2.5200 17.5200 61.420
33 Bayer Leverkusen Ger 18.7000 2.5374 3.6166 16.1332 19.0166 60.003
34 Girondins Bordeaux Fra 13.3856 11.2000 30.0000 2.1500 2.1000 58.835

[Dameerto]

One or two more years of Chump's league group stage qualification and our ranking will soar - even if we dont make it out of the group (which seems unlikely given our virgin performance this season).

[southern softy]

Thanks for those listing JC, most useful.

With a reasonable European run next season, and dependent on the Chelsea or Spurs qualification, it is reasonable to think we could and should overtake; Spurs, Roma, Seville, Hamburg, Werder Bremen and Villarreal. Dependent on how PSV do, we possibly get above them too. That would leap us to around the 21st placing from our present 28th.

Looking at the coefficient list,of the 27 clubs ahead of us, only 13 have qualified for the CL next season, 7 for the Euro league (Spurs/Chelsea may change that) and 6 have failed to qualify for either comp Chelsea/Spurs. A decent run will do us the World of good.

Another side effect of overtaking Spurs means we would qualify as Ordinary members of the ECA rather than Associated. We don't appear to have many friends, if any, at the top and the extra political muscle will help us.

next year, the points for 07-08 will drop out of the 5 year rolling totals.
We were not in Europe that year so we only lose 3.5 points. All the teams above us will lose many more points. Zenit, for example,
will lose 23 points. So we will make ground on them even if we don't do any better in Europe.

Assuming we do as 'well' as this year in the CL, we should make a big move up the rankings. The following year will be more difficult to move further as we will then be losing our 08-09 points (= 20 points for the EL quarter final).

Of course, this all assumes that we actually qualify for the CL in the first place (or is that sort of talk blocked by the admin team?).

[AG7]

There's another angle here that no one seems to be considering ... no, I'm not even going to entertain any ideas talking about not qualifying for champions league ... How about we win the CL next year, and that puts you right the top of Pot 1, simples :)

Pot 3 last year, Pot 2 almost guaranteed this year ... hello CL and hello Pot 1 next!

[BlueinBosnia]

BiB.

The whole shabang was organised by the big clubs, from the big countries, by coercing UeFA, to ensure they maximised their income. The fact that not only is this perversion linked to seedings, keeping the big clubs apart and allowing them an easier ride through each competition, it gets even more perverse when it comes to slicing the cake, to share out the TV money.

John, I'm totally aware of that, but at the same time eradicating the seeding would just allow it to move one step closer to a European Super League, in my opinion.

[johnny crossan]

There's another angle here that no one seems to be considering ... no, I'm not even going to entertain any ideas talking about not qualifying for champions league ... How about we win the CL next year, and that puts you right the top of Pot 1, simples :)

Pot 3 last year, Pot 2 guaranteed this year ... hello CL and hello Pot 1 next!

small correction with the greatest respect

[BlueinBosnia]

There's another angle here that no one seems to be considering ... no, I'm not even going to entertain any ideas talking about not qualifying for champions league ... How about we win the CL next year, and that puts you right the top of Pot 1, simples :)

Are you sure about that? I never heard it before.

[southern softy]

Are you sure about that? I never heard it before.

Yes. Think its still based on coeffs even if you win it.

[john68]

Even if City were to win it, we would only pick up the coefficient points on offer. Where that would leave us in the table would depend on the totals of the clubs around us. Much like the League table.

[Dameerto]

There's another angle here that no one seems to be considering ... no, I'm not even going to entertain any ideas talking about not qualifying for champions league ... How about we win the CL next year, and that puts you right the top of Pot 1, simples :)

Are you sure about that? I never heard it before.

It can't be true - when Liverpool won but didnt qualify for the following season they entered in the qualifying rounds and not the group stage.

[razor400]

There's another angle here that no one seems to be considering ... no, I'm not even going to entertain any ideas talking about not qualifying for champions league ... How about we win the CL next year, and that puts you right the top of Pot 1, simples :)

Are you sure about that? I never heard it before.

It can't be true - when Liverpool won but didnt qualify for the following season they entered in the qualifying rounds and not the group stage.

Thats because at that time there was no automatic qualification for the winner and it was the only way to get liverpool in. The rules were changed the following season and the winners now qualify automatically for the group stage in pot 1.

[AG7]

If chelsea wins today, they will be placed no1 on top of pot 1 for the draw ... that's the new rules. Whoever is the winner is top of pot 1 and then ret follows as per their coeffs!

[AG7]

And there you have it ... Chelsea will be top of Pot 1 being current Champions and the rest follow as per their coefficients ... all four English teams directly to the group stage, no one has to go through the qualifying round.

Spare a thought for Spurs who were third in the league for most of the season but ever since FA dragged their feet on England manager's appointment and the papers kept hyping up Harry for the job, screwed them up nicely in their dressing room.

So Tottenham, Liverpool and Newcastle go to Europa league ... does anyone know who takes Chelsea's FA cup spot in Europa league? Probably Liverpool as its a better round of entry being the FA cup runnerups ... and someone else will take that last Europa spot ...

[johnny crossan]

If chelsea wins today, they will be placed no1 on top of pot 1 for the draw ... that's the new rules. Whoever is the winner is top of pot 1 and then ret follows as per their coeffs!

latest seedings from Bert - just a couple of minor things left to settle but this is more or less it now

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uef ... l2012.html

Chelsea are in Pot 1 by virtue of their coefficent ranking not as champions, had we won it we would still be in Pot 2

[Michigan Blue]

Spare a thought for Spurs who were third in the league for most of the season but ever since FA dragged their feet on England manager's appointment and the papers kept hyping up Harry for the job, screwed them up nicely in their dressing room.

Nah.

'Arry was preening for the job from Day 1, Spuds would have finished about 7th without our player leading the line for them, and after the utter contempt they showed for the Europa this season, I'm thrilled they're back in it.

And I really hope it's Liverpool who has their summer ruined by the early Europa qualifier rather than Newcastle.

[AG7]

Chelsea are in Pot 1 by virtue of their coefficent ranking not as champions, had we won it we would still be in Pot 2

Even within Pot 1, Chelsea's name is placed at the top, above Barca and Scum ... whose coeffs are higher than Chelsea but the current title holders are always placed at the top of Pot 1 (so even if that Cyprus team had won this year, thats where they'd have been). Pls. read the official rules on UEFA.com instead of hearsay!

[blues-clues]

Does your position in each pot make a difference?

The groups are not seeded so does it really matter?

[AG7]

Point in debate is if we win it we'll still be in Pot 2, where as I am saying no, if we win we'll go straight to the top of the pile, that's Pot 1 ... New rules, UEFA.com, check the coefficients page.

So yeah doesn't matter where in Pot 1 you are placed but usually the pots are now made that title holder at the top, then next 7 by coeefficient in pot 1, and next 8 in pot 2 ... so it matter to the team who was perhaps 8th in pot 1, if someone with a lower coeff jumps in ... and that would same way effect the last on pot 2, and pot 3 as well as they'd get bumped down ... depending on where the title holder would normally have fallen!

[john68]

AG7,
Why would anyone, other than a Spurs fan want to spare a thought for them? They finished where they deserved to finish and that in no way was the fault of the FA.

The only people who mentioned Twitchy for the England job, were the media. The FA made no utterances of anyone's name. If, as has been suggested, the affair affected affected Spurs form or Twitchy's ability to manage, why would that be the FA's fault. The FA run the national team and take responsibility for selecting the England manager not the newspapers or Talkshite.