How shit is Young?

[1950]

I don't about that, maybe he'll be the one making way for Shrek.

[Alioune DVToure]

I don't about that, maybe he'll be the one making way for Shrek.

Hodgson has made bold decisions in the tournament so far. I wouldn't bet against Rooney starting on the bench against The Yooks.

[Bear60]

I don't about that, maybe he'll be the one making way for Shrek.

Hodgson has made bold decisions in the tournament so far. I wouldn't bet against Rooney starting on the bench against The Yooks.

WHO?

[Swales4ever]

I don't about that, maybe he'll be the one making way for Shrek.

Hodgson has made bold decisions in the tournament so far. I wouldn't bet against Rooney starting on the bench against The Yooks.

WHO?

[Alioune DVToure]

WHO?

Quickest nickname I could think of for the Ukrainians. It's backfired, obviously, since I've had to explain it.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Young barely desrves to be in the squad let alone the first 11..hes like fuckign Bambi , and as for Milner..fuck me sideways , hes fuckign nowhere near good enough to be starting for England.

Good game to watch though.

[charvet_wonderland]

As useful as Anne Frank's drumkit?

That one once made me vomit down my own sleeve- on my lunch break!

True story. That coat still smells.

[Alex Sapphire]

As useful as Anne Frank's drumkit?

or Elizabeth Fritzl's trampoline?

[Alex Sapphire]

WHO?

Quickest nickname I could think of for the Ukrainians. It's backfired, obviously, since I've had to explain it.

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[Ted Hughes]

How shaggable was Carol Cleveland ?

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Milner and Young should make way for Oxlade and Walcott next game. Not been impressed with either.

[leemaca]

He's played two games now and done sweet fuck all, for me id drop him and start the ox in his position!

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Milner and Young should make way for Oxlade and Walcott next game. Not been impressed with either.

Milner had a decent first half. Put a couple of decent deliveries in and worked tirelessly to cover for Johnson. Everything decent England did in the first half came down his side. He faded badly in the second and Woy made the right call bringing Theo on his place BUT Theo doesn't have the discipline to cover Johnson which would leave that right side exposed against Ukraine.

Young was the worst English player on the pitch last night, he contributed nothing and should not start the next one based on his no shows in the first two games but he will.

[Beefymcfc]

Here's Guy Mowbray's take on the BBC. Seems Young was just as bad as Terry, Lescott, Cole and Milner while Glen Johnson and Scotty Parker put real good shifts in!

JOE HART (GOALKEEPER) - 7

Guy's view: A flying save to his right was one for the highlights reel, but it's his overall command of his space and decisiveness in coming to catch and punch away crosses that was most important. Sharp reactions almost kept out Sweden's equalising goal, and he was let down by his defenders for the second.

GLEN JOHNSON (RIGHT-BACK) - 7

Guy's view: England's best defender on the night. His timing of the vital "recovery tackle" has been vital in both games. Not so long ago some were saying he should be behind Kyle Walker and Micah Richards for the right-back role, and even Roy Hodgson was openly critical of him during his time as Liverpool boss. Two good performances in Ukraine so far though - more of the same please!

JOHN TERRY (CENTRAL DEFENCE) - 6

Guy's view: Stout in the tackle and gave his all as ever, but he must take his share of the blame for the collective defending for the two Sweden goals. A defence with John Terry in it should not look so nervous when trying to clear balls that come into the box from on high. Stripped for pace by Ibrahimovic in a race in which he had the head start in the first half.

JOLEON LESCOTT (CENTRAL DEFENCE) - 6

Guy's view: Similar to Terry. Defensively sound for the most part - but the goals conceded were poor. Again question marks about his use of the ball at this highest level of the game. When it's being kept simple at the back with short passes he looks as good as anyone.

ASHLEY COLE (LEFT-BACK) - 6

Guy's view: He's a player who would normally guarantee you at least a seven every time he puts on a Chelsea or England shirt. But for some reason he looked hesitant once or twice and the nature of the game meant that he could not get forward that much. Having said that, there are no concerns about the left-back so many rate as the world's best.

JAMES MILNER (RIGHT MIDFIELD) - 6

Guy's view: Withdrawn in the second half having been booked and fading from the game. He was one of the brightest players in the early stages of the game, with much of England's positive work coming from his wing.

STEVEN GERRARD (CENTRE MIDFIELD) - 8

Guy's view: Star man as regards those who started. Much more dynamic than in the match against France, and we saw glimpses of the Steven Gerrard that drives Liverpool on time and time again. One of those forceful runs was almost rewarded with a goal near the end.

SCOTT PARKER (CENTRE MIDFIELD) - 7

Guy's view: Putting in huge performances given his injury problems of late. Does the essential, unflashy work in midfield and seems to revel in it. Fired in a stinging shot early on that tested Andreas Isaksson. Being rewarded for having to wait to be an England regular.

ASHLEY YOUNG (LEFT MIDFIELD) - 6

Guy's view: Came into the competition as the man most in form for his country, but has yet to shine as we know he can. Got into a great position for a chance to make it 2-0 in the first half but missed his big moment. Good to know that there should be better to come.

DANNY WELBECK (FORWARD) - 8

Guy's view: I was going to go with a seven all the way until his match-winning goal! The only way he could possibly have scored was by doing what he did - a quite brilliant finish. Speed of thought combined with a deft touch - Welbeck is maturing into a very clever footballer.

ANDY CARROLL (FORWARD) - 7

Guy's view: Could not ask for anything more from the number nine. Headed England in front superbly and in the first half in particular put in a great shift to rattle and roll Sweden's defenders. England cannot match the "tiki-taka" passing of Spain right now, so there is something strangely soothing at seeing an old-fashioned centre-forward lead the line as he did.

ENGLAND SUBSTITUTES

THEO WALCOTT (RIGHT MIDFIELD) 60 MINS (for Milner) - 9

Guy's view: I really thought about giving him a 10, and Lawro thought there was a strong case for it. Came on to change - and win - the game. Scored one by having a go, and then did magnificently to tee up Welbeck for the winner. A start against Ukraine? Well played Theo - and well played Roy!

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain 89 mins (for Welbeck) - Not on long enough to rate. Great for his continuing education to have got on to play a part in such a vital win though.

[Original Dub]

Andy Carroll - 7.

"could not ask for anything more from the number 9".

Well, yeah... You could do. Like another 3.

Stupid cunt.

[Im_Spartacus]

I'm speechless at some of these ratings.

lescott and terry should be flogged, especially lescott for standing with his cock in his hand for their 2nd. Johnsons good tackles were generally needed because he was out of position in the first place and he was wank going forward, parker - well he might as well not have been on the ficking pitch and young was never more than a 3

[Beefymcfc]

I'm speechless at some of these ratings.

lescott and terry should be flogged, especially lescott for standing with his cock in his hand for their 2nd. Johnsons good tackles were generally needed because he was out of position in the first place and he was wank going forward, parker - well he might as well not have been on the ficking pitch and young was never more than a 3

I don't get how you see that mate, Lescott? For the 2nd, Lescott had his man running towards the back post. Terry, Cole and Johnson had the 3 just in front. Cole stood and watched the ball sail over him, Terry didn't drop enough leading to the same and Johnson just lost his man and stood staring.

Back to Young though, for the 1st he was the man to go with the runner at the back, which he did but then decided to leave him and run out of the box pointing to the wing. Joe then makes a great save from a player who would've been offside if it wasn't for Johnson's bad positioning and who eventually undid Joe's good work.

If you don't believe me take a gander.

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[Ted Hughes]

I'm speechless at some of these ratings.

lescott and terry should be flogged, especially lescott for standing with his cock in his hand for their 2nd. Johnsons good tackles were generally needed because he was out of position in the first place and he was wank going forward, parker - well he might as well not have been on the ficking pitch and young was never more than a 3

I don't get how you see that mate, Lescott? For the 2nd, Lescott had his man running towards the back post. Terry, Cole and Johnson had the 3 just in front. Cole stood and watched the ball sail over him, Terry didn't drop enough leading to the same and Johnson just lost his man and stood staring.

Back to Young though, for the 1st he was the man to go with the runner at the back, which he did but then decided to leave him and run out of the box pointing to the wing. Joe then makes a great save from a player who would've been offside if it wasn't for Johnson's bad positioning and who eventually undid Joe's good work.

If you don't believe me take a gander.

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That whole thing was a mess & people didn't seem to understand what their job was. Usually it's the CF who is detailed to pick up the oppo CB but nobody seemed to have that job or a zone to mark either.

Imo, not just at that moment but for most of the game, JT lost it. He was getting in some good tackles & interceptions but he was so far off the pace that in order to protect his own game, he was ignoring his job as captain & leader of the defence & just randomly attacking the ball, thus Johnson & Cole were drifting all over the shop & Lescott/Terry were two individuals rather than a partnership. It appeared to me that by the end Lescott ended up doing a lot of the shouting that Terry was supposed to be doing & was effectively the captain.

[Beefymcfc]

I'm speechless at some of these ratings.

lescott and terry should be flogged, especially lescott for standing with his cock in his hand for their 2nd. Johnsons good tackles were generally needed because he was out of position in the first place and he was wank going forward, parker - well he might as well not have been on the ficking pitch and young was never more than a 3

I don't get how you see that mate, Lescott? For the 2nd, Lescott had his man running towards the back post. Terry, Cole and Johnson had the 3 just in front. Cole stood and watched the ball sail over him, Terry didn't drop enough leading to the same and Johnson just lost his man and stood staring.

Back to Young though, for the 1st he was the man to go with the runner at the back, which he did but then decided to leave him and run out of the box pointing to the wing. Joe then makes a great save from a player who would've been offside if it wasn't for Johnson's bad positioning and who eventually undid Joe's good work.

If you don't believe me take a gander.

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That whole thing was a mess & people didn't seem to understand what their job was. Usually it's the CF who is detailed to pick up the oppo CB but nobody seemed to have that job or a zone to mark either.

Imo, not just at that moment but for most of the game, JT lost it. He was getting in some good tackles & interceptions but he was so far off the pace that in order to protect his own game, he was ignoring his job as captain & leader of the defence & just randomly attacking the ball, thus Johnson & Cole were drifting all over the shop & Lescott/Terry were two individuals rather than a partnership. It appeared to me that by the end Lescott ended up doing a lot of the shouting that Terry was supposed to be doing & was effectively the captain.

I agree mate, Terry has no longer got the legs and it's affecting other areas of his game. Joleon and Vince's partnership has evolved into a real tag team where they both work hard for each other and for those at the FB position. Terry, however, seems to be looking at playing for himself, covering his short-falls but letting the team suffer.

What gets me is that whatever goes wrong they will never put it down to Terry but will seem to throw the weight of the error on Lescott's shoulders. I think many of the media types still have a thing for Lescott jumping ship and fail to acknowledge his performances, especially with City. Our best defender this season, even better than Vince, for me.

[Tokyo Blue]

I can't remember a single mune who reproduced any good form he had for his club in an England shirt.