*** Terry Cam ***

[Chinners]

Terry's lawyer still pursuing line on validity of lip-readers' evidence. `We are dealing with a very short snippet of conversation.'

Judge says if thought evidence was inadmissible he wouldn't allow it to be included. Terry's lawyer asks for time to think ...

Terry's lawyer now deciding whether to pursue demand to call lip-reading sceptic into court. Prosecutor saying there's no point

Closing statements tomorrow from both sides, Court starts at 1030 BST tomorrow, Verdict expected Friday. Might not be worth the hassle of me going up there now just for these which is a shame.

[Chinners]

Fucl off

[Wonderwall]

Fucl off

Lol your heading to 20k in record time chinners. I hope we have many more footballers in court this season. The coverage is better than anything sky can do.

[DoomMerchant]

Fucl off

Lol your heading to 20k in record time chinners. I hope we have many more footballers in court this season. The coverage is better than anything sky can do.

i have to admit, reading Chinners updates is like 1000% better than the bullshit "real" journalism i've read on the topic.

Chinners -- you should really be posting this realtime blog on an actual news feed, because it's fascinating. Is someone else doing that already that you are aware of?

not joking.

cheers

[Wooders]

if JT is such a rascist - how come this is his favourite song?

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[Alex Sapphire]

where did it all go wrong.
I thought we had a recipe for a getalong scene

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[getdressedmctavish]

Top notch Chinners. Think Terry is innocent meself, or guilty but highly mitigating circumstances.They are having a row for feck's sake.Even Peter Tatchel thinks the law is an ass on this one.

[Chinners]

DAY 4 of the National Swearing Competition
Didn't bother going to court for last day of legal argument in Terry trial. Magistrate indicated he'd consider verdict overnight so result likely tomorrow

No more witnesses will be called. Today we'll hear closing statements from both prosecution & defence.

PROSECUTION

Duncan Penny, prosecuting, has begun his closing statement by reviewing video footage

Pros Duncan Penny tells magistrate key issue is what words were spoken by #Terry and whether they were said "as an insult"

Penny: "Key issue is...whether the words FBC were an insult"

[Chinners]

Pros: "3 of the 4 f*cks were directed at Mr Ferdinand"

Prosecutor accuses Terry of "lashing out" with "straightforward racial abuse" after a row about girlfriends

Crown again focusing on Terry's use of word 'and' in verbal exchange with AF - suggest it shows words were abusive - not merely inquisitive

Chief Magistrate in Terry trial day 4: 'We are talking about everyday speech from people, we are not talking about Balzac'

Chief magistrate says he will not "speculate" whether Terry did say "and yours" before FBC

Prosecution asking Magistrate to consider Terry's use of word "and" in the exchange with Anton Ferdinand, as agrees by Terry in evidence.

Prosecutor tells magistrate the pictures are 'real evidence', direct testimony from 3 principal witnesses, written evidence and lip reading

Pros: "there were insults being exchanged about bad breath, Mr Terry's extra-marital affair, knobhead and against Mr Kenny all in 5 minutes"

Prosecutor says Terry's abuse of Kenny's weight evidence of how he picks on personal characteristics. Kenny-fat. Ferdinand-black

Crown in Terry trial: 'It is unlikely in heat of the moment Mr Ferdinand would've had sophistication or motivation to make the allegation'

Prosecutor attempting to argue that the abuse was part of a pattern of behaviour by Terry on the pitch that day

Prosecutor asks magistrate to form own view as to whether look on Terry's face at time of alleged abuse is one of `surprise' or `hostility'

Prosecutor says `it's difficult to think of better quality footage'' for magistrate to look at

[Chinners]

Pros: you can be sure evidence says #Terry said " f*ck off, f*ck off" "Yeah , yeah" "and" "you f*cking black cunt".

Crown says magistrate entitled to believe Terry used word 'you' before saying 'f****** black c**t'. Magistrate says it's question for him

Defence has said no proof Terry used word 'you' before saying the offensive words. Terry defence is he merely repeated what Ferdinand said.

Crown in Terry trial comparing lip-readers' evidence to that of pathologist examining stab wound - offer expertise but not definitive answer

Pros says both sides agree Terry said the words "F*** off, f*** off, yeah yeah, f****** black c*** and f****** k***head"

Pros: "you may want to ask what is in this for Mr Ferdinand... Because this could follow him for the rest of this career."

Crown: 'Mr Ferdinand is not the first reluctant witness to appear in court ... you may wish to consider he was brave in making allegations'

Pros claim the "and" was part of "and yours" in reference to Ferdinand abuse "shagging" Wayne Bridge's "missus"

[Chinners]

Prosecution: "what sort of accuser [Ferdinand] claims not to have heard the offensive words and then appear 'clueless'" when confronted?

Pros: Terry's words in dressing room "what happened, geez" make perfect sense if he's trying to find out what AF had heard on pitch.

Crown on post-match chat: 'Mr Terry & Mr Cole were feeling their way with Mr Ferdinand, hoping to smooth it over ... to know what he knew'

Pros says there's 'profound irony' that mag is asked to discount lip reader evidence then rely on Cole saying he 'saw' what Ferdinand said

No lip - reading evidence of what AF did or didn't say? asks magistrate. "No', says prosecutor

Prosecution lip readers watched television reply. Cole 'saw' what Ferdinand said from 25 yards away in a game, prosecutor says

Crown on Cole: 'He originally asked lawyer to prepare a neutral statement ... you may wish to approach his evidence with degree of caution'

Is Terry `keen to inject another 4 secs to time scale to make the repitition story more likely?' prosecutor asks

Pros: You've heard about the culture in professional football of prolific, base and straightforward abuse as described by Mr Terry

Pros: if Terry is right Ferdinand would have had to go through sophisticated thought process to switch abuse from sex to racism

Crown says Terry picked on what he 'perceived as a vulnerability' when he called Ferdinand 'a f****** black c***'. Prosecution finished

[Chinners]

DEFENCE

Defence: Wants to take "cold dispassionate look" at case. It is not a case about "racism" and abundance of evidence to prove that .

PFA's deputy chief executive Bobby Barnes has just taken seat in public gallery. Also here is Andy Impey, a friend of the Ferdinand family

This is not a case about racism, Terry's lawyer Carter-Stephenson says. It's a case based on 'speculation.'

Carter-Stephenson says Terry may have misunderstood what Ferdinand was saying to him. Not defence case but something to consider.

Carter Stephenson says `honest witnesses can make mistakes.' It's a `demonstration of fallibility of human memory.'

Defence lawyer says Pros must prove Terry used words likely to cause Ferdinand harassment, alarm and distress

Carter-Stephenson: Lipreaders are inconclusive, therefore neutral

Defence in Terry trial: 'Mr Ferdinand's evidence is inconsistent, unreliable ... could not satisfy court to the criminal standard required'

Def: "YouTube evidence pales into insignificance" because" no positive evidence" when it went live, when it was available to view."

[Moonchesteri]

Defence: Wants to take "cold dispassionate look" at case. It is not a case about "racism" and abundance of evidence to prove that.

it is not a case about racism? then what is this whole saga about?

[Chinners]

Defence making the point that only Terry himself knows what he heard - or at least what he thought he heard Ferdinand say to him that day

Defence: 'There's no direct evidence from any witness as to what Mr Terry actually said apart from Mr Terry himself, or how he said it'

Defence in Terry trial says there is 'danger' in interpreting body language in footage. District Judge: 'Yes, but we do it all the time'

No matter what words used if Terry repeating back what he believed ferdinand accused him of then `that is the end' of case, defense says

`There's a real danger in trying to put interpretation on people's facial expression especially in situations such as this,' Carter-Ste says

Def: can it really be right that Terry "completely loses it in relation to a further taunt by AF " over shagging allegation?

Lawyer says in +600 games Terry has never been sanctioned for use of language despite facing what Wilkins described as 'unmerciful' abuse

Lawyer plays video and says there's `expression of anger, shock and surprise' before Terry says 'f****** knobhead'

[sweenyuk]

Why has all this ended up in court? At the end of the day it is a grievience between two people working on behalf of the Premier League. If I was racisit at work I would expect to be disiplined or sacked, not taken to court and for someone who has admitted to starting the argument by making reference to an affair to then cry when nasty words were returned is pathetic

[london blue 2]

Why has all this ended up in court? At the end of the day it is a grievience between two people working on behalf of the Premier League. If I was racisit at work I would expect to be disiplined or sacked, not taken to court and for someone who has admitted to starting the argument by making reference to an affair to then cry when nasty words were returned is pathetic

Something to do with who made the complaint I think... was bought to light by a member of the public or something?

[Wonderwall]

Something to do with who made the complaint I think... was bought to light by a member of the public or something?

It was an off duty police officer who complained.

[Chinners]

It was an off duty Arsenal supporting police officer who complained.

[Chinners]

Defence in Terry trial says Terry could have heard 'simultaneous' voice in crowd say what he thought was 'black' as Ferdinand's 'lips moved'

GCS: argues that Mr Terry is laughing off Mr Ferdinand's insults, 'so he escalates the level to try and get under Mr Terry's skin'

GCS: questions conduct of one of Mr Ferdinand's advisors. Magistrate describes that as 3rd hand evidence and hearsay

Defence in Terry trial: 'What does Mr Ferdinand do when he sees footage on YouTube? Nothing. He wanted the FA, not police to deal with it', Terry lawyer says Ferdinand said he would be 'livid' have 'fight' if heard Terry but does 'nothing'

GCS: on Terry's explanation: 'what a chance he took if that was a false account' given all the cameras at the game

GCS: Terry is a truthful witness. He believes that Anton Ferdinand on that night accused him of calling Mr Ferdinand 'a black c***'

Terry's lawyer tells magistrate if he thinks Ferdinand's evidence 'unreliable' then would be `unsafe of court' to rely on his account

Defence: heard from Wilkins, Mourinho, Buck and Bertrand, a young black player showing Terry has "great self control" and "mental strength"

Defence: whether Ferdinand's evidence should be rejected "in its entirety" is up to the court. We invite you to dismiss this matter

Chief Magistrate Howard Riddle asks GCS why in FA interviews JT only said 'I think' while in court he said he was positive

ALL RISE


Magistrate in the John Terry trial adjourns case following closing statements. Verdict tomorrow, not before 2pm.

[Beefymcfc]

Cheers Chinners, you've been impeccable mate.

From what I've read I'd have to say that I think Terry is guilty but I'm not quite sure the Magistrates will come to the same verdict, just because of Anton Ferdinand. We definately know that Terry will riggle out of any sticky situation if he can, we seen it when he got sent off in the CL semi-final.

What has come out for all to see is that these fuckers are overpaid scumbags who haven't got an ounce of morality in them. I've played competitive sport all my life and never heard the sort of shit that comes out of these peoples mouths. Then you hear Coles limp-dick bullshit and it does make you wonder why fans look up to these individuals. I'd hope that our players have much more class than these dispicable people, which I think we do.

I eagerly await the verdict as if they do find Terry guilty I'd like to see what the FA will do, they will have to take out some administrative sanction. Be a shame that they will wait-out until after the appeal though.

If found innocent, things carry on as normal and Terry keeps his sponsors and England place. That should be fun.