Biggest achievement at City

[BlueinBosnia]

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[bobby brows]

that we're still here despite decades of piss poor management on and off the pitch

look at what has happened to leeds, sheffield wednesday, forest etc... could so easily have been us

instead....

we're

CHAMPIONS!

Imagine City now without the Sheikh......

*shudders*

We got so, so, so, sooo lucky.

I imagine that we'd be a middling championship club with a chairman without the funds to invest in us,trying to offload the club to anyone with or without a human rights violation on their rap sheet. We were days from administration under Thaskin.

We'd probably also heavily rely on our academy and Mee, McGivern, Trippier, etc would make up the bulk of our team.

The fans would probably make the best of travelling to long forgotten grounds of Hillsborough,Leeds, Huddersfield, Cardiff and... Millwall!


Your right doesn't bare thinking about!

Not even sure we'd be that, if rumours from the well placed city fan sources are true, we were up shits creek under Uncle Thaksin.

Broke infact.

We probably would be a worse version of Portmouth now if it were not for the Sheikh... hell we might even be a newco like Rangers....

I don't think we would have done a Portsmouth, for the simple fact that as a club Portsmouth have zero assets and, whilst not owned by us, our stadium is our biggest asset with significantly better crowds and non-match day income. If the bottom had fallen out of our club that season when ADU bought us, worst we would have had £100m worth of debt (aroudn what Wigan and Bolton carry) and a wage bill we couldn't pay, but we had a team of sellable assets, few players with little sell on value and players who'd cost us nothing in transfer fees (Micah, Neddy, Ireland, Sturridge, etc). At worst we would have entered administration and agreed on a CVA based on the ability to sell most of our team. The long term downside to all this is that it would have made us vulnerable to purchase from anyone and see a Ken Bates/Milan Mandaric like owner who would invest just enough in an attempt to flip us for a big profit (i.e. effectively what Thaskin did but not to as great an effect)

[Rag_hater]

We were close to complete financial and football disaster in div 2. We NEEDED to get out of there for numerous of reasons and left it to last seconds. We would have NEVER been in position for Sheik to be interested of buying us had we not got up back then. Had we not won FA Cup and/or league we would've done it in the future no problemo.

Therefore the back to back promotions were more important.

That strikes me as a bit melodramatic.
At worst we would have been liquidated, but putting your business in liquidation may seem like the end of the road, but if you believe that you can learn from your mistakes, then there is a way that you could give it another try.We had enough assets that even if we had been placed in the hands of the Administrators and not been able to operate under the same name we could effectively carried on trading in a similar manner.
Therefore I think winning the league and becoming CHAMPIONS this year was more important because that in my opinion is more of an achievement than getting promoted from a league that we were to good for anyway

[Swales4ever]

We were close to complete financial and football disaster in div 2. We NEEDED to get out of there for numerous of reasons and left it to last seconds. We would have NEVER been in position for Sheik to be interested of buying us had we not got up back then. Had we not won FA Cup and/or league we would've done it in the future no problemo.

Therefore the back to back promotions were more important.

That strikes me as a bit melodramatic.
At worst we would have been liquidated, but putting your business in liquidation may seem like the end of the road, but if you believe that you can learn from your mistakes, then there is a way that you could give it another try.We had enough assets that even if we had been placed in the hands of the Administrators and not been able to operate under the same name we could effectively carried on trading in a similar manner.
Therefore I think winning the league and becoming CHAMPIONS this year was more important because that in my opinion is more of an achievement than getting promoted from a league that we were to good for anyway

I wouldn't call lose the rights to your heritage something that means business, tho.

[Rag_hater]

We were close to complete financial and football disaster in div 2. We NEEDED to get out of there for numerous of reasons and left it to last seconds. We would have NEVER been in position for Sheik to be interested of buying us had we not got up back then. Had we not won FA Cup and/or league we would've done it in the future no problemo.

Therefore the back to back promotions were more important.

That strikes me as a bit melodramatic.
At worst we would have been liquidated, but putting your business in liquidation may seem like the end of the road, but if you believe that you can learn from your mistakes, then there is a way that you could give it another try.We had enough assets that even if we had been placed in the hands of the Administrators and not been able to operate under the same name we could effectively carried on trading in a similar manner.
Therefore I think winning the league and becoming CHAMPIONS this year was more important because that in my opinion is more of an achievement than getting promoted from a league that we were to good for anyway

I wouldn't call lose the rights to your heritage something that means business, tho.

People go on as if those shit times were all we had.For me that was a small part for a few years.There has been plenty, in fact most of the time, when we have been about pretty average and that has been enough for me.

[Swales4ever]

We were close to complete financial and football disaster in div 2. We NEEDED to get out of there for numerous of reasons and left it to last seconds. We would have NEVER been in position for Sheik to be interested of buying us had we not got up back then. Had we not won FA Cup and/or league we would've done it in the future no problemo.

Therefore the back to back promotions were more important.

That strikes me as a bit melodramatic.
At worst we would have been liquidated, but putting your business in liquidation may seem like the end of the road, but if you believe that you can learn from your mistakes, then there is a way that you could give it another try.We had enough assets that even if we had been placed in the hands of the Administrators and not been able to operate under the same name we could effectively carried on trading in a similar manner.
Therefore I think winning the league and becoming CHAMPIONS this year was more important because that in my opinion is more of an achievement than getting promoted from a league that we were to good for anyway

I wouldn't call lose the rights to your heritage something that means business, tho.

People go on as if those shit times were all we had.For me that was a small part for a few years.There has been plenty, in fact most of the time, when we have been about pretty average and that has been enough for me.

I didn't intend to dismiss your point, Mate. it's fair, very human and almost logical.
Also I am very much demure when it comes to this issue as I wasn't there suffering for average times and facing the rags arrogance as You did all life long.
what I mean is that there should be a more positive approach in between: I just think You should regard to those long times of average sailing with the pride of one of the many who contributed to fly high the Blue flag, standing tall with chin up against all odd and keeping alive the heritage of this noble Club.
That's why, to be honest, I humbly find weird when You call Antii melodramatic for that.

your respectfull italian bandwagoner... ;)

[john68]

Sorry Antii but I have never bought into the Division 3 Domesday scenario Mate.
From Boxing Day, we were by far the best team in that division by a country mile and the only reason we failed auto promotion was because of the leeway we had to make up from the pre-Xmas games (14th position).
The Wembley money would have helped finance the next season's promotion tilt and most missing fans would have returned as they saw us win week after week and sitting up top.

Bernstein was a clever cookie and we would have not been in any danger of liquidation.

[Dunnylad]

Sorry Antii but I have never bought into the Division 3 Domesday scenario Mate.
From Boxing Day, we were by far the best team in that division by a country mile and the only reason we failed auto promotion was because of the leeway we had to make up from the pre-Xmas games (14th position).
The Wembley money would have helped finance the next season's promotion tilt and most missing fans would have returned as they saw us win week after week and sitting up top.

Bernstein was a clever cookie and we would have not been in any danger of liquidation.

That was more likely a scenario when Thaksin was splashing cash he didn't have - if the sheikh hadn't bailed him out we might have had a birmingham scenario with a suspended chairman & no cash coming through. Also in terms of people talking about assets, when we moved to CoMS with the council in control of the ground it protects us from it being sold as an asset from under our feet - what the Council will have wanted is something or someone to fill it so may have all the could reasonably do if we'd have got into serious financial bother

But none of it happened, it's all conjecture & we can look back at the past with a grounding in where we've come from & how much this achievement of winning the league means :)

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Sorry Antii but I have never bought into the Division 3 Domesday scenario Mate.
From Boxing Day, we were by far the best team in that division by a country mile and the only reason we failed auto promotion was because of the leeway we had to make up from the pre-Xmas games (14th position).
The Wembley money would have helped finance the next season's promotion tilt and most missing fans would have returned as they saw us win week after week and sitting up top.

Bernstein was a clever cookie and we would have not been in any danger of liquidation.

He certainly was but as the story goes we/he was running out of money. He himself said that it was never his idea to own football club but the mess we were back then he simply felt obliged to help. As someone once said "only way you can become millionaire owning football club is if you start out as billionaire".

[Alioune DVToure]

He certainly was but as the story goes we/he was running out of money. He himself said that it was never his idea to own football club but the mess we were back then he simply felt obliged to help. As someone once said "only way you can become millionaire owning football club is if you start out as billionaire".

But Makin and Wardle were the majority shareholders, Bernstein was just the frontman. JD sports and their other ventures were in rude health and both were/are die-hard blues, so the club was in safe hands.

Once Frank Clark and Franny Lee were goners, we were only ever going to move forwards in the medium-to-long term.

[ant london]

Agree with all that....we were clearly only in danger of properly going to the wall (and by that I mean in potentially imminent danger) when Frank was in charge.

Did Wardle not have to loan the club some emergency funds at some point under Frank's ownership to prevent just that cash-wise??

[Rag_hater]

There have been loads of clubs who have fucked up finacially,they all seem to come back from it.
All this stuff about us being close to ceasing to exist is exaggeration.
If we had lost to Gillingham we would be at worst a year behind then,it would have made no difference to where we are now.

[Alioune DVToure]

There have been loads of clubs who have fucked up finacially,they all seem to come back from it.
All this stuff about us being close to ceasing to exist is exaggeration.
If we had lost to Gillingham we would be at worst a year behind then,it would have made no difference to where we are now.

We wouldn't have folded, but the rest of what you said us absolute bullshit, sorry.

The Thaksin and ADUG takeovers were both highly circumstantial, and there's no way we could've guaranteed back-to-back promotions a year down the line from Wembley '99.

[Rag_hater]

There have been loads of clubs who have fucked up finacially,they all seem to come back from it.
All this stuff about us being close to ceasing to exist is exaggeration.
If we had lost to Gillingham we would be at worst a year behind then,it would have made no difference to where we are now.

We wouldn't have folded, but the rest of what you said us absolute bullshit, sorry.

The Thaksin and ADUG takeovers were both highly circumstantial, and there's no way we could've guaranteed back-to-back promotions a year down the line from Wembley '99.

Us getting promoted 7 pts ahead of third first time and 10 pts ahead of 2nd the next time suggests to me that we were romping that league.And we were the only really sensible option as far as Thaksin and ADUG were concerned.
We were favourites to get promoted in the league with Gillingham and we were favourites to get promoted with Grimsby in it

[Alioune DVToure]

Us getting promoted 7 pts ahead of third first time and 10 pts ahead of 2nd the next time suggests to me that we were romping that league.And we were the only really sensible option as far as Thaksin and ADUG were concerned.
We were favourites to get promoted in the league with Gillingham and we were favourites to get promoted with Grimsby in it

You seem to struggle with the concept of future events taking a very different course if a major event goes one way rather than the other.

And we got promoted on the final day in 1999/2000, so, with all due respect, what the fuck are you on about?

[Rag_hater]

Us getting promoted 7 pts ahead of third first time and 10 pts ahead of 2nd the next time suggests to me that we were romping that league.And we were the only really sensible option as far as Thaksin and ADUG were concerned.
We were favourites to get promoted in the league with Gillingham and we were favourites to get promoted with Grimsby in it

You seem to struggle with the concept of future events taking a very different course if a major event goes one way rather than the other.

And we got promoted on the final day in 1999/2000, so, with all due respect, what the fuck are you on about?

You seem to struggle with what actually happened. Instead of dreaming what might have happened give some thought to what actually happened.And by the way what place were we in for the majority of the season we got promoted,were we close to getting relegated and then have a miracle run?

[Alioune DVToure]

You seem to struggle with what actually happened. Instead of dreaming what might have happened give some thought to what actually happened.And by the way what place were we in for the majority of the season we got promoted,were we close to getting relegated and then have a miracle run?

Errrr... But I'm right and you're wrong.

[Rag_hater]

You seem to struggle with what actually happened. Instead of dreaming what might have happened give some thought to what actually happened.And by the way what place were we in for the majority of the season we got promoted,were we close to getting relegated and then have a miracle run?

Errrr... But I'm right and you're wrong.

Sorry logged on and my computer is not showing a picture if you put one up.Sorry can't see your point.Here's mine though.


http://www.statto.com/football/teams/ma ... /1999-2000

It shows that for most of that season we were comfortably 1st or 2nd.Promo was pretty certain.

[Alioune DVToure]

Sorry logged on and my computer is not showing a picture if you put one up.Sorry can't see your point.Here's mine though.

http://www.statto.com/football/teams/ma ... /1999-2000

It shows that for most of that season we were comfortably 1st or 2nd.Promo was pretty certain.

Your point was that we finished 7 points ahead of 3rd place in 1999/2000. We didn't. We got promoted on the final day. Getting promoted in 2nd place on the final day is hardly 'pissing it'.

[Rag_hater]

Sorry logged on and my computer is not showing a picture if you put one up.Sorry can't see your point.Here's mine though.

http://www.statto.com/football/teams/ma ... /1999-2000

It shows that for most of that season we were comfortably 1st or 2nd.Promo was pretty certain.

Your point was that we finished 7 points ahead of 3rd place in 1999/2000. We didn't. We got promoted on the final day. Getting promoted in 2nd place on the final day is hardly 'pissing it'.

Your right.I mean't fourth my mistake sorry but from what I remember we were not struggling at any point in the season and our main worry was not being able to keep hold of first.For me the whole season I had no fear that if we had to go to the playoffs we would win.