0 Transfers

[ronk]

Cook could do deals quickly because he gave Kia et al a blank cheque to write their own fees. Something which PSG are currently doing. It no coincidence that they and Chelsea have swept up all the talent this summer. They are paying agents whatever they want.

Some of the time. Bit if you can get players thinking football rather than bank balances you can still make signings, and pay them well.

If they get it into their heads to automatically play hardball, you have few options.

[Socrates]

Well it's good to see that after a short period of celebrating being Champions and a relatively boring close season, this board has reverted to type. "SCAPEGOATS R US" is back on course. The tree has been chosen, the rope knotted and Marwood bound, gagged and loaded onto the cart.
Let's not forget that it was not that many weeks before the end of our Championship winning season that Sherriff Doomie was leading the lynch party to string Mancini himself up.

Let's ignore the realities of our financial position (£146M to find from somewhere), the refusal of Ade, Rocky Crocky et al to drop their wages or even that it was always part of the long term plan to spend this year's money over last 2 seasons in order to dodge the worst demands of the FFP.

Sherriff Doomie wants his train set, Deputy Ant and the lads have all been invited round to play but Daddy has said NO!

Don't remind me about how fucking stupid Doomie was during the season, he is maddening enough now. The characterisation as spoilt children is absolutely spot on though. I'm happy to leave it to the Chairman to decide if Marwood is doing his job well.

[Beefymcfc]

Has anybody actually listened to the interview?

From what I've just heard there is no problem at all, just the way he's been quoted in the media. He sounded pissed at the questions if anything, he seemed to want to talk about the CS but they just didn't stop.

Mancini's says he is happy with the team he's got and a journo asks about needing to improve the squad and Mancini basically says we are a young team and we need to improve, always. He goes on to say 'I am confident with my players because we won the league and also because last year we beat a fantastic team like United'.

Amazes me how people take the media quotes and use them against one of our own, without bothering their arse to understand the full context. I suppose if it suits then it's bound to be used.

Mancini doesn't look pissed, seems a few on here are pissed for him though. Why is that?

[Mase]

Has anybody actually listened to the interview?

From what I've just heard there is no problem at all, just the way he's been quoted in the media. He sounded pissed at the questions if anything, he seemed to want to talk about the CS but they just didn't stop.

Mancini's says he is happy with the team he's got and a journo asks about needing to improve the squad and Mancini basically says we are a young team and we need to improve, always. He goes on to say 'I am confident with my players because we won the league and also because last year we beat a fantastic team like United'.

Amazes me how people take the media quotes and use them against one of our own, without bothering their arse to understand the full context. I suppose if it suits then it's bound to be used.

Mancini doesn't look pissed, seems a few on here are pissed for him though. Why is that?

Can you name names please mate so we know who you're referring your question to?

[Beefymcfc]

Has anybody actually listened to the interview?

From what I've just heard there is no problem at all, just the way he's been quoted in the media. He sounded pissed at the questions if anything, he seemed to want to talk about the CS but they just didn't stop.

Mancini's says he is happy with the team he's got and a journo asks about needing to improve the squad and Mancini basically says we are a young team and we need to improve, always. He goes on to say 'I am confident with my players because we won the league and also because last year we beat a fantastic team like United'.

Amazes me how people take the media quotes and use them against one of our own, without bothering their arse to understand the full context. I suppose if it suits then it's bound to be used.

Mancini doesn't look pissed, seems a few on here are pissed for him though. Why is that?

Can you name names please mate so we know who you're referring your question to?

Names, you want names!

If you've read the thread you'll know.

[DoomMerchant]

Well it's good to see that after a short period of celebrating being Champions and a relatively boring close season, this board has reverted to type. "SCAPEGOATS R US" is back on course. The tree has been chosen, the rope knotted and Marwood bound, gagged and loaded onto the cart.
Let's not forget that it was not that many weeks before the end of our Championship winning season that Sherriff Doomie was leading the lynch party to string Mancini himself up.

Let's ignore the realities of our financial position (£146M to find from somewhere), the refusal of Ade, Rocky Crocky et al to drop their wages or even that it was always part of the long term plan to spend this year's money over last 2 seasons in order to dodge the worst demands of the FFP.

Sherriff Doomie wants his train set, Deputy Ant and the lads have all been invited round to play but Daddy has said NO!

Don't remind me about how fucking stupid Doomie was during the season, he is maddening enough now. The characterisation as spoilt children is absolutely spot on though. I'm happy to leave it to the Chairman to decide if Marwood is doing his job well.

jon you can fuck off. for all your "intellectualizing" you haven't had a single, rational argument in our conversations over the last two weeks, and have now resorted to petty name calling, without even a shred of information involved in your argumentation. I'll try hard not to call you a miserable fat piece of shit if you try hard to avoid calling me "stupid."

John -- you sir cannot fuck off. Firstly, i wasn't the sheriff, but a deputy. It was Sheriff Kiers that declared the season done and dusted...i quickly followed suit i suppose, but i don't want the credit.

Lastly, i was in fact calling for Joleon Lescott's head during the final match after his fuckup, and probably wanted Mancini to die a torturous death by being tied down amidst a Fire Ant colony. #matchdaythread

[john68]

Bit harsh on Doomie there Socs mate. I think Mr Doomie enjoys to play the mind games and is currently chuckling his little sexy boxer shorts off at the effect his posts are having. Add Stan to Ollie and who are we to spoil their enjoyment? Our Stan and Ollie may be eccentric, silly and even maddening now, (if you take them seriously) but rest assured Jon, whatever they may post, they are not stupid. Others that have joined their posse may be though.
My apologies to Stan and Ollie for outing them....:-)

[DoomMerchant]

Has anybody actually listened to the interview?

From what I've just heard there is no problem at all, just the way he's been quoted in the media. He sounded pissed at the questions if anything, he seemed to want to talk about the CS but they just didn't stop.

Mancini's says he is happy with the team he's got and a journo asks about needing to improve the squad and Mancini basically says we are a young team and we need to improve, always. He goes on to say 'I am confident with my players because we won the league and also because last year we beat a fantastic team like United'.

Amazes me how people take the media quotes and use them against one of our own, without bothering their arse to understand the full context. I suppose if it suits then it's bound to be used.

Mancini doesn't look pissed, seems a few on here are pissed for him though. Why is that?

Can you name names please mate so we know who you're referring your question to?

Names, you want names!

If you've read the thread you'll know.

Names? I'll give you names.

Moi, for one. ;)

do you have a linky-poo to the content please sir? i just saw the printed version.

I'm not climbing down from my Marwood position however. I really don't think he's suited for his job and he's proving it this summer.

Why is that idea "crazy" or "petulant" or "raglike"?

cheers

[Beefymcfc]

Has anybody actually listened to the interview?

From what I've just heard there is no problem at all, just the way he's been quoted in the media. He sounded pissed at the questions if anything, he seemed to want to talk about the CS but they just didn't stop.

Mancini's says he is happy with the team he's got and a journo asks about needing to improve the squad and Mancini basically says we are a young team and we need to improve, always. He goes on to say 'I am confident with my players because we won the league and also because last year we beat a fantastic team like United'.

Amazes me how people take the media quotes and use them against one of our own, without bothering their arse to understand the full context. I suppose if it suits then it's bound to be used.

Mancini doesn't look pissed, seems a few on here are pissed for him though. Why is that?

Can you name names please mate so we know who you're referring your question to?

Names, you want names!

If you've read the thread you'll know.

Names? I'll give you names.

Moi, for one. ;)

do you have a linky-poo to the content please sir? i just saw the printed version.

I'm not climbing down from my Marwood position however. I really don't think he's suited for his job and he's proving it this summer.

Why is that idea "crazy" or "petulant" or "raglike"?
cheers

It's on the OS mate. And where did you get that from, I never said a word, although there maybe one that fits.

[Swales4ever]

As I see it, THIS is a serious thread for a VERY SERIOUS ISSUE for the sake of MCFC enhancement, but
if I am humbly allowed to bring a less serious, side note,

it's also one of the conutless proof of why Mancityfans.net is:

THE BEST FORUM (not only football fans forum) in all (Your) Land and the world!

and, as a very smart mindgamer would end:

cheers

[johnny crossan]

Mancini is not 'eppy and we are not 'eppy

[john68]

Doomie,
Thank you for not fucking me off with Jon...seriously appreciated.

You may well be correct in your assessment of Marwood's qualities, I have never been a fan, but my opinion was based more on gut feeling that he was the type of bloke I couldn't take to rather than anything fact based.
The fact that we have failed to sign anyone is sufficient reason for you to pin the blame on Marwood. We don't know that. We don't know what constraints have been imposed on him by his superiors and we are unlikely to ever find out.
Comparison with Cook is grossly unfair. Cook ruled at a time when the cheque book was open and large payments to clubs, players and agents were necessary to get us into CL qualification. A position that opened up the big income channels. We were not chasing trophies, they were a side issue, we were chasing income. The FFP compounded this. We are now paying the price of that spending spree and Marwood is the bloke left and confronted with the problem of holding the bvrush and pan with both his arms tied behind his back.
We know this is true because of previous statements by Khaldoon. Sometimes, nobody is to blame.

My reference to you and Mancini was referring to your opinion during that part of the season when we appeared to be slipping up.

[DoomMerchant]

Has anybody actually listened to the interview?

From what I've just heard there is no problem at all, just the way he's been quoted in the media. He sounded pissed at the questions if anything, he seemed to want to talk about the CS but they just didn't stop.

Mancini's says he is happy with the team he's got and a journo asks about needing to improve the squad and Mancini basically says we are a young team and we need to improve, always. He goes on to say 'I am confident with my players because we won the league and also because last year we beat a fantastic team like United'.

Amazes me how people take the media quotes and use them against one of our own, without bothering their arse to understand the full context. I suppose if it suits then it's bound to be used.

Mancini doesn't look pissed, seems a few on here are pissed for him though. Why is that?

Can you name names please mate so we know who you're referring your question to?

Names, you want names!

If you've read the thread you'll know.

Names? I'll give you names.

Moi, for one. ;)

do you have a linky-poo to the content please sir? i just saw the printed version.

I'm not climbing down from my Marwood position however. I really don't think he's suited for his job and he's proving it this summer.

Why is that idea "crazy" or "petulant" or "raglike"?
cheers

It's on the OS mate. And where did you get that from, I never said a word, although there maybe one that fits.

i never said you said, but clearly quoting you implies "you said" for sure, but you didn't say, did you?

i think i know which one applies, if you were to say, don't you say?

[Beefymcfc]

Names? I'll give you names.

Moi, for one. ;)

do you have a linky-poo to the content please sir? i just saw the printed version.

I'm not climbing down from my Marwood position however. I really don't think he's suited for his job and he's proving it this summer.

Why is that idea "crazy" or "petulant" or "raglike"?
cheers

It's on the OS mate. And where did you get that from, I never said a word, although there maybe one that fits.

i never said you said, but clearly quoting you implies "you said" for sure, but you didn't say, did you?

i think i know which one applies, if you were to say, don't you say?

Go on then you crazy American bastard ;-)

[sheikh it all about]

I’m probably in the minority but I don’t think this transfer window is that bad as most deals take place in the final 3 days.
It’s quite clear to see that City have changed transfer strategy in an attempt to stop our reputation in the industry as being a cash cow willing to fund the selling club’s transfer budget for a couple of years.

Couple this with the fact we have now decided to play hardball with agents has lead us to lose out on our main target this summer.

We have joined Arsenal and United in denying paying agents stupid fees. A noble act but it does cost you players when you have the likes of Chelsea and PSG willing to pay £6 and £9 million to agents and other hanger-oners.

We are no longer in a rebuilding phase and now only need top, top quality players or very good back up players. We are only buying the best of what other teams have and this makes it very tough when you are no longer willing to spend whatever it takes (e.g. the Lescott and Aguero transfers)

So far we have been seriously linked with:
Hazard – was our No.1 target. He turned into a WUM and media whore and his agent wanted £6m and he wanted over £200,000 a week. We said no – he went to Chelsea

Silva – Mancini wanted him but again huge fees meant we missed out and he went to PSG

RVP – We went in for him but Arsenal are playing very silly games at the moment in an attempt to keep him. It’s a Nasri MKII transfer all over again and he will end up leaving within a week of the transfer deadline. However, the won’t be coming to us unless we shift deadwood.

Cavanni – Mancini is a huge admirer and wants him but again we need to shift strikers. Also the transfer fees would be huge

De Rossi – Signed a new contract and a Roma loyalist so not likely to leave. Roma’s owner is pimping him out in the hope City will pay over £30m for him which is unlikely to happen.

Agger – Another fiercely loyal player to his current club. As with De Rossi he’s not looking to move but Liverpool owners are pimping out their best assets in a bid to get money in for Rogers to spend. We won’t be paying £30m for him though.

Sinclair – A weird one for me and I can’t see him fitting in but would be an okay bench-warming and is home grown. Ironically the
most likely to happen so far.

So after being rejected or not willing to pay fees we have the situation where Mancini is getting annoyed with the club. He has stated a few times this window that he wanted to sign 4 or 5 players. This was never going to happen though as Khaldoon stated we would only sign one or two players in his video interview for the official site.

Khaldoon’s priorities this window is to sell and get the wage bill to an acceptable level. It’s way out of control at over 114% of turnover and he will be looking to get it down to under 70%. He’s a businessman after all. He’s instructed Marwood to sell before we buy and also to be prudent on wages and fees for any incoming players. It’s a thankless task (and one of our own making) but the right one for where City needs to move financially.

Unfortunately we won’t be getting anyone bidding for our players until transfer deadline day as interested clubs will not be looking to pay even 1 weeks wages if they can get away with it.

Selling our deadwood is almost an impossible task as they are happy to see out there contracts. Adebayor is playing it very cool and is after as much of a pay off as possible. RSC is happy living in Hale and doesn’t seem to mind not playing. Bridge is gone but we are paying 90% of his wages. Toure refused to leave and is happy to stay for us as is De Jong at the moment.

We cannot shift any of our players = no new players coming in. Prepare for a flurry of activity on transfer deadline day and the day before though if we do shift Adebayor, RSC, Toure and De Jong.

Mancini is turning up the heat on the boardroom as he’s seeing his summer window turn into nothing. He knows he cannot directly bring Khaldoon or Mansour into the press conference as the journalists would crucify him. So he turns to his scapegoat Marwood and blames him so that Khaldoon gets the message.

It will be fascinating to see who’s will is strongest and whether we do end up signing players before we sell. I think Khaldoon will win this as our wages cannot be sustained at its current level.

If that means that Chelsea and PSG get to do all the fun signings this window then so be it. We’ve had a fantastic run at players these past 3 years.

Excellent post. There are no easy answers. Having flung money round for 4 years we are now reaping what we have sown. If any rags are reading this thread they must be wetting their little panties.

[Risby]

I agree with the previous posts about the need to get rid of the deadwood before we sign new players. I also understand that from a business point of view this is essential so our football club can continue to grow and improve.
BUT Christ it's dull, and quite disappointing if I'm honest. I was expecting business to be done early or straight after the euros at the latest. I wanted to see the yellow ticker tape at the bottom of sky sports news breaking stories about the major signings we have made.
We have an incredible squad, and during the transfer windows in the last three/four years we have been spoilt with the riches we have spent and the talent we have brought in. Part of me never wants it to stop, keep spending the cash, bring the best players to our club, fuck FFP and fuck the clubs that disagree with us, but deep down I know it can't.
Is this what it will be like each transfer window from now on? If it is, we need to learn to act quicker.

[Ted Hughes]

Once again; the problem is that our squad is so fucking good, that very few players can improve it.

The players who can improve it are difficult to obtain under any circumstances & moreso when you have already got a squad of 70 odd professionals. We have to at least TRY to calm it all down somewhere or we will end up with 150.

I think we need several players in order to challenge for the Champion's League. If we can't get them, then my solution is DON'T worry too much about the Champion's League. Try to improve a bit on last season's CL position (which may be much easier depending on the draw) & go all out to win the Prem again & see if we can pick up a domestic cup to go with it.

If we can't cover the bits in the squad which need covering; go for the league & try to get the players we need in at the end of next season.

FFS, we've just won the title having fought back from injuries, refs & god knows what. Let's just try to win it again.

I'm sure this is half the reason Bob is mentioning others when asked about transfers; it's a get out of jail card if we underacheive.

Just get on with it; we've all got the message now & I'm sure Khaldoon has it too.

[ronk]

We're the champs and I like our chances for next season. I'd like them more if we were to strengthen.

It's worth looking at the reasons we haven't signed anyone. Are we just being fussy? Are we playing a waiting game during negotiations? Is Marwood fuckjng up by trying to play it cool? Has he done well by walking away from deals that weren't value anyway? Is he holding the can because we're not really in the market and this is a charade for our amusement? Is it all sorted really?

I don't know.

It's easy to see why there's a shitfight thread.

What's confusing me is why we haven't really been in for a Hargreaves/Pizarro style freebie, especially if we're tightening belts. It's almost like Marwood isn't sure himself!

[AG7]

I think we have seen we don't need huge players coming in anymore, and those we are interested in (or the kind) are simply not available in the market do why do any business just for the sake of doing something when by not buying anyone and I mean zilch, zero, none whatsoever ... we can slap right across the face of the rag bastards who've been saying we're ruining football and include Platini in that same (hypothetical) swoosh of the back hand and shut them all up once and for all.

Frankly this late and still no really great deals on the horizon, I'd now the club rather not buy anyone and at least we can use the later spiel for screwing with them this season. Talk about taking mind games to a whole different level ... we've had Chelsea spending big on Hazard, unknown to the PL ways and a gamble at best and if we can get Fergie to pick up RVP too, again a gamble with really very limited future in terms of no. of years IF he stays injury free ...

I have a feeling we won't buy much, close to none actually this summer and see how we cope and if need be we can cherry pick in January window by taking out the wallet, whatever need be at the time.

[Swales4ever]

what's the hell incompetence/inability to fit a job position bill/undertaking normal, simple, average expectation for a senior, extremely well paid, pro position has to do with:

being a rag/willing to buy everyone flying around just for the sake of it/breaching FFP regulation and relevant financial plans set by the Chairman to comply with

it's well and truely beyond my intelligence: I do surrender!

Just, please, don't joke on me by pretending of not seeing a simple fact:
a) on last may 17th, Owner, Chairman and Manager agreed that buying Eden Hazard plus a versatile player who could shade both Yaya Toure and possible injuries which might affect the only to top quality CBs that City have in the squad to face an higly demanding 60+ game season;
b) a fair assessment of budget to achieve such a reasonable strenghtening of the team at normal market values is about/around £ 50mils
c) said figure of investment is/must be considered way below prudencial expectations of revenue growth generated by winning the title itself, without taking into account the already established growing curve of annual turnover income
d) most shy and prudencial assessments would have expected to have slight but further revenues by selling redundate players who still have significant market value, plus relevant savings arising from writing off their pathetic wages
d) the senior, extremely well paid, officer at the Club in charge with the tasks relevant to sales and purchases FAILED MISERABLY to undertake the tasks. Track records of his professional history on undertaking those tasks, relevant to a position which is pivotal for the safety of each and every football club in the world who aim to be successful, simply and plainly says that this man is only capable to buy at overinflated prices while is totally unable to sell back at any price.

then You all Mates, who all love, support and live for the prosperity of MCFC more than I did, do and will ever capable to do, are free to twist and turn such a SIMPLE FACT, but it/they still remains BARE FACT/S nonetheless.

the amount of money that MCFC could have saved if They have had a senior sporting director in charge instead of this pretending amateur who is learning his trade at MCFC's expenses could be difficult to assess, but it's HUGE and is stopping the Club to step further up in the short term.

Let all those who care of MCFC just hope and wish that no serious injuries will affect Yaya Toure, Vincent Kompany and Joleon Lescott in the season ahead.