Ted Hughes wrote:Mancio4ever wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Slim wrote:There are usually deal in principle deals set up, but 6 months does seem a long time. I'd probably say the season ended before any such deal was brokered.
The reason I put 'signed' as opposed to signed, is I believe we have already agreed a deal with RVP subject to Arsenal & any other factors. I don't mean on paper, just that imo the rumours of this were going on for so long that it's pretty likely the sources were correct & they said months ago he had agreed.
Mancini is probably giving Arsenal a bit of an ultimatum to either do the deal or we walk.
almost opposite I continue to think that - once the first target of the season has been bottled (as it had been the last season's one) Mancini is only desperate to be delivered the second main target (Daniele Derossi or Javi Martinez) to provide effective back-ups for the 2 only roles where City is exposed to injuries and ACoN (CB and Yaya).
we are or should all aware that there is where a spell of bad lack might make the difference from a very successfull season and a trophyless one.
With respect my Italian friend, bollocks (or whatever that is in Italian).
Patric Vieira:
Vieira, who holds the position of football development executive at Premier League champions City, said Van Persie's contractual situation has caught the attention of Europe's biggest clubs.
"When there's a player like Van Persie, with only one year of contract, all the big clubs try to buy him," the Frenchman said.
"Juventus, Manchester United and even City because (City manager Roberto) Mancini likes him so much.
"Currently, though, Van Persie is an Arsenal player."
Meanwhile, Mancini has cooled rumors that have linked City players Edin Dzeko, Carlos Tevez and Aleksandar Kolarov to the Serie A.
"I don't know if Italian teams could buy Dzeko, Tevez or Kolarov. It depends of what our club want to do," he said.
"What I know is these three players are pivotal for us, they are happy here and we don't want them to go. Manchester City are playing to win all the trophies and need a strong team.
So 1) We do want RVP, 2) None of you know what Patric Vieira does & whether he is part of the team who conduct tranfers, just as you don't know what Marwood does & 3) Mancini is clearly talking about 'the club' & what 'it' wants to do, which even the most pedantic of you will realise is way above Marwood. He is not 'the club' as Mancini refers to it. Sheikh Mansour & Khaldoon are 'the club' & Marwood is their errand boy, who does what he is told, which includes being a middle man to take the shit for anything Mancini or the fans don't like.
He then refers to 'we' clearly meaning the football people. So it's upto whether the business side wants to sell & he is hoping they don't, as the football side wants to keep all of them. In other words, if we sign RVP, Khaldoon may order us to sell some players, in which case, the evil Marwood will be the one who forces Dzeko out of the club against Mancini's wishes.
Imo, if Khaldoon decides he wants to sign RVP, he'll pay the over inflated price & the player will be here next week because Marwood, & probably Vieira have already done all the persuading last season. Then he may order Marwood & Co to sell Dzeko, Tevez or Kolarov. Or, if Bob has his way,we keep the lot, which would be interesting.
You know why I love You - sic - so much, Ted!
It's not only your intelligence of played football, which is huge nonetheless, but also that Your rhetorical style is the closest thing to the Italian Machiavellianism that I ever happened to acknowledge in a Brit... :)
sure as hell, it's not by chance that You have aptly picked this post - the most disputable among all my rants and criticisms towards the subject of Your last mind game - where I shout a prayer (don't swap Edin for the injury prone soft cunt) rather than making a firm point on the incompetence of Brian Marwood.
Anyway, it's all good fun as usual and therefore:
a) the most true translation of bollox into italian is "cazzate" (fm cazzo = cock = things made by)
b) You may be right on sub 1) that "someone" at the Club wants RvP, I doubt he's Bob first thought even if I can concede he could pragmatically quite gladly take him because, apart from being an injury prone, anti-City, utter cunt, he he also a top striker. for sure I hate him and I am endevouring all my jinxing efforts in the hope he will never get anywhere near the a light blue shirt.
c) sub 2) You may be right at claiming that none of us (including You, Mate) knows exactly who makes what in the running down of the market strategy of the Club, but I can tell that - while I nurtured big hopes that Paddy Vieira, along with his huge name, globally respected reputation, intelligence of football and top relationships into it, was deemed towards a training period into the Club structure aimed to take place of the former Arsenal incompetent - but my concens and worries increaded exponentially when I recently saw, on the MCFC official website, Vieira labelled as "Club Ambassador" and no more as football development executive
http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news/20 ... 1949-event
not a substantial evidence, may be just an editorial misprint, but it sounded like a step up by Marwood: scaring.
Furthermore, I have no objection to agree that every intermediate officer of every big company features among his tasks the punching-ball role but such an assumption DOES NOT AFFECT my point by a dramme:
the sporting director (as well as each and every influential executives) of a global football club, which aim to world dominance, MUST be a senior professional of the positition he is charged of: in turn, it means that he MUST features total knowledge of, intelligence of, introduction to the global market of top football players, entertaining effective relationships with other global football clubs, several satellite clubs and be able to make bold statements on it!
Such a FACT, obviously, does not prevent the Owner, Chaiman and even possibly former CEO eventually still acting in the shade, from carving a FRINGE role out for Their own muppet/s, but please NOT in a position that is strategically pivotal for each and every big fotball club, even more for MCFC which is still in the rising curve, ffs!
Unless and untill such weakness will be sorted, the Club will continue to suffer from over inflated purchasing costs (to say one: 25mil. for a raw CB like Joleon Lescott was before being trained by Mancini), ridiculous off market wages (like 175k/week for a talented but totally unreliable prick like Adebayor), subsequent impossibility to write off any deadwood and, more importantly, wasting opportunities to add those very few top talents who might bring further strenght in depth and tactics to the squad and whose acquisition requires, timely, discreet and powerful action on the market in order to overtake the other big clubs of same power and wealth on the relevant acquisition of the likes of Alexis Sanchez, Hazard, Derossi, etc.
But in order to chill down our passion, and I promise this is my last rant on the issue, if anything is for certain, that is that for all the efforts I can endevour in development of my support for MCFC, it will never get anywhere near to the love passion and support that You, Mate, have granted to the Club for a lifetime: therefore if that incompetence is fine with You, it MUST be fine with me too.
