Emmanuel Greedybayor

[Ted Hughes]

I don't think that my shit is any snottier than yours & I don't think that anyone has suggested that we aren't going to be fucked over on the sale of our players. The question is; who decides ? In the case of Tevez, it was Khaldoon.

You are saying you know for certain that isn't the case regarding Adebayor & that Marwood can do what he likes ?

I don't think I've been snotty until replying to your last couple of missives. You know I rate you very highly as a poster and I can't recall us ever even disagreeing much on here but on this we do.

The second point, no, I have never said that Marwood can do what he likes. In fact I have explicitly stated that he is clearly working to parameters set out by/agreed with Khaldoon.

I also am fully in agreement that he and Sheikh Mansour will ultimately have the casting yes/no decision when an impasse is reached.

That is not what I have been questioning at all and I cannot quite understand what part of the fact that it is Marwood's EXECUTION of deal making within those boundaries and parameters that I have massive issue with. Ditto Doom I'm certain from what he has also posted. If you don't think that it is odd that the likes of United, Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal etc manage to conclude big transfers regularly with a minimum of being dragged into public auctions with prices being driven up and, in that light you think it likely that Marwood is really rather good at this then fair enough...but don't expect me to agree.

Despite the fact that the aforementioned clubs (and others) have greater "pull" in terms of prestige/history/enduring success than us the clubs selling to them, the players being transferred to them and the agents acting on behalf of those players know that these clubs (like us) have deep pockets and that other clubs would be interested if word got out that the deal was under discussion. So, very often, not much gets out...there is no protracted saga in the papers....the deal just gets done with a minimum of fuss and at a certain price.

You may think that this is an anti-City conspiracy or that we are victims of our previous exuberance and naivety in the market; I think it is because Brian Marwood is not fit for purpose for this particular aspect of his job.

As I keep stating, I am not a Marwood supporter, I am neutral. The reason for that is the fact that I don't know what part, if any, Marwood has in these things & I don't know whether he has done anything wrong at all or whether he has done things which are brilliant in attracting some of the fantastic players we have got. I do like the way the club as a whole is shaping & I'm assuming he's doing well there but I don't know that either.

I do however know that Khaldoon is personally involved in some transfers in & out. I can't imagine he had much to do with Rodwell but Tevez, Robinho etc definitely, as he's said so. It's not impossible therefore to imagine him being involved with Ade, RVP, DeRossi etc.

But so far this summer, the two biggest clubs in the world have failed to sign two players who are desperate to sign for them (Modric & Martinez respectively) & Barca are now 'rumoured' to be moving in on Song, at this late stage. They are also awash with players they can't shift. Similarly, the rags have failed in almost every bid & still have not moved Berbatov. If the blokes working for them aren't upto it, who do we use ?

How can the job Marwood or Khaldoon or whoever else is doing for City, be worse than the job their blokes are doing for them ? I don't get it.

(And as has been mentioned, did Cook not bring in that Williams bloke from Blackburn, who is supposed to be brilliant, to deal with the low level transfers out ?)

[Rag_hater]

I don't think that my shit is any snottier than yours & I don't think that anyone has suggested that we aren't going to be fucked over on the sale of our players. The question is; who decides ? In the case of Tevez, it was Khaldoon.

You are saying you know for certain that isn't the case regarding Adebayor & that Marwood can do what he likes ?

I don't think I've been snotty until replying to your last couple of missives. You know I rate you very highly as a poster and I can't recall us ever even disagreeing much on here but on this we do.

The second point, no, I have never said that Marwood can do what he likes. In fact I have explicitly stated that he is clearly working to parameters set out by/agreed with Khaldoon.

I also am fully in agreement that he and Sheikh Mansour will ultimately have the casting yes/no decision when an impasse is reached.

That is not what I have been questioning at all and I cannot quite understand what part of the fact that it is Marwood's EXECUTION of deal making within those boundaries and parameters that I have massive issue with. Ditto Doom I'm certain from what he has also posted. If you don't think that it is odd that the likes of United, Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal etc manage to conclude big transfers regularly with a minimum of being dragged into public auctions with prices being driven up and, in that light you think it likely that Marwood is really rather good at this then fair enough...but don't expect me to agree.

Despite the fact that the aforementioned clubs (and others) have greater "pull" in terms of prestige/history/enduring success than us the clubs selling to them, the players being transferred to them and the agents acting on behalf of those players know that these clubs (like us) have deep pockets and that other clubs would be interested if word got out that the deal was under discussion. So, very often, not much gets out...there is no protracted saga in the papers....the deal just gets done with a minimum of fuss and at a certain price.

You may think that this is an anti-City conspiracy or that we are victims of our previous exuberance and naivety in the market; I think it is because Brian Marwood is not fit for purpose for this particular aspect of his job.

Mr Cook

[Ted Hughes]

One other thing, I think the whole market is waiting for a few deals to open it up, as everyone wants replacements (except perhaps Arsenal) lined up & those replacements are unavailable without themselves having replacements.

The last few days, including deadline day, could be fucking chaos this year. Harry will top himself.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I don't think that my shit is any snottier than yours & I don't think that anyone has suggested that we aren't going to be fucked over on the sale of our players. The question is; who decides ? In the case of Tevez, it was Khaldoon.

You are saying you know for certain that isn't the case regarding Adebayor & that Marwood can do what he likes ?

I don't think I've been snotty until replying to your last couple of missives. You know I rate you very highly as a poster and I can't recall us ever even disagreeing much on here but on this we do.

The second point, no, I have never said that Marwood can do what he likes. In fact I have explicitly stated that he is clearly working to parameters set out by/agreed with Khaldoon.

I also am fully in agreement that he and Sheikh Mansour will ultimately have the casting yes/no decision when an impasse is reached.

That is not what I have been questioning at all and I cannot quite understand what part of the fact that it is Marwood's EXECUTION of deal making within those boundaries and parameters that I have massive issue with. Ditto Doom I'm certain from what he has also posted. If you don't think that it is odd that the likes of United, Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal etc manage to conclude big transfers regularly with a minimum of being dragged into public auctions with prices being driven up and, in that light you think it likely that Marwood is really rather good at this then fair enough...but don't expect me to agree.

Despite the fact that the aforementioned clubs (and others) have greater "pull" in terms of prestige/history/enduring success than us the clubs selling to them, the players being transferred to them and the agents acting on behalf of those players know that these clubs (like us) have deep pockets and that other clubs would be interested if word got out that the deal was under discussion. So, very often, not much gets out...there is no protracted saga in the papers....the deal just gets done with a minimum of fuss and at a certain price.

You may think that this is an anti-City conspiracy or that we are victims of our previous exuberance and naivety in the market; I think it is because Brian Marwood is not fit for purpose for this particular aspect of his job.

As I keep stating, I am not a Marwood supporter, I am neutral. The reason for that is the fact that I don't know what part, if any, Marwood has in these things & I don't know whether he has done anything wrong at all or whether he has done things which are brilliant in attracting some of the fantastic players we have got. I do like the way the club as a whole is shaping & I'm assuming he's doing well there but I don't know that either.

I do however know that Khaldoon is personally involved in some transfers in & out. I can't imagine he had much to do with Rodwell but Tevez, Robinho etc definitely, as he's said so. It's not impossible therefore to imagine him being involved with Ade, RVP, DeRossi etc.

But so far this summer, the two biggest clubs in the world have failed to sign two players who are desperate to sign for them (Modric & Martinez respectively) & Barca are now 'rumoured' to be moving in on Song, at this late stage. They are also awash with players they can't shift. Similarly, the rags have failed in almost every bid & still have not moved Berbatov. If the blokes working for them aren't upto it, who do we use ?

How can the job Marwood or Khaldoon or whoever else is doing for City, be worse than the job their blokes are doing for them ? I don't get it.

(And as has been mentioned, did Cook not bring in that Williams bloke from Blackburn, who is supposed to be brilliant, to deal with the low level transfers out ?)

Jeezes.
His title is Football Administration Officer. Essentially director of football. He runs that part of the operation. I think it's quite clear that he answers for player transfers (both incoming and outgoing), contracts of players and generally about staff. Ie he gives manager to guidelines under which he has to work. Again, Khaldoon (and finances department) will give him financial guidelines under which Marwood has to operate. Major decisions (player signings, new contracts, major staff hirings) will be approved by chairman but usually only by name.

That is how any decent sized company operates! This is not Peterbrough where manager decides about contracts, scouts and signs players, cuts the grass and paints the fence.

And just as in any business no one will be making any decisions alone. I would assume that identifying transfer targets will be a process involving meetings throughout the season. These meetings would involve, I would guess, over dozen people from Mancini to head of scouting to coaches to representative from finances to Marwood. Depending on player there could be head of Academy and local scout who has identified this player if the player in question is someone relatively unknown or there could be people from marketing department giving analysis if it's some world class player. That's how business is done in major company.

However what we DO know is that Marwood is in charge of all that. That is a fact. What you are essentially questioning here is how hands on he is. Well that is up to him of course but buck stops with him. And that is why people are questioning his work this summer and not work of some random faceless employee. And we are paying him, I would assume, very decent compensation to shoulder that responsibility.

[Ted Hughes]

I don't think that my shit is any snottier than yours & I don't think that anyone has suggested that we aren't going to be fucked over on the sale of our players. The question is; who decides ? In the case of Tevez, it was Khaldoon.

You are saying you know for certain that isn't the case regarding Adebayor & that Marwood can do what he likes ?

I don't think I've been snotty until replying to your last couple of missives. You know I rate you very highly as a poster and I can't recall us ever even disagreeing much on here but on this we do.

The second point, no, I have never said that Marwood can do what he likes. In fact I have explicitly stated that he is clearly working to parameters set out by/agreed with Khaldoon.

I also am fully in agreement that he and Sheikh Mansour will ultimately have the casting yes/no decision when an impasse is reached.

That is not what I have been questioning at all and I cannot quite understand what part of the fact that it is Marwood's EXECUTION of deal making within those boundaries and parameters that I have massive issue with. Ditto Doom I'm certain from what he has also posted. If you don't think that it is odd that the likes of United, Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal etc manage to conclude big transfers regularly with a minimum of being dragged into public auctions with prices being driven up and, in that light you think it likely that Marwood is really rather good at this then fair enough...but don't expect me to agree.

Despite the fact that the aforementioned clubs (and others) have greater "pull" in terms of prestige/history/enduring success than us the clubs selling to them, the players being transferred to them and the agents acting on behalf of those players know that these clubs (like us) have deep pockets and that other clubs would be interested if word got out that the deal was under discussion. So, very often, not much gets out...there is no protracted saga in the papers....the deal just gets done with a minimum of fuss and at a certain price.

You may think that this is an anti-City conspiracy or that we are victims of our previous exuberance and naivety in the market; I think it is because Brian Marwood is not fit for purpose for this particular aspect of his job.

As I keep stating, I am not a Marwood supporter, I am neutral. The reason for that is the fact that I don't know what part, if any, Marwood has in these things & I don't know whether he has done anything wrong at all or whether he has done things which are brilliant in attracting some of the fantastic players we have got. I do like the way the club as a whole is shaping & I'm assuming he's doing well there but I don't know that either.

I do however know that Khaldoon is personally involved in some transfers in & out. I can't imagine he had much to do with Rodwell but Tevez, Robinho etc definitely, as he's said so. It's not impossible therefore to imagine him being involved with Ade, RVP, DeRossi etc.

But so far this summer, the two biggest clubs in the world have failed to sign two players who are desperate to sign for them (Modric & Martinez respectively) & Barca are now 'rumoured' to be moving in on Song, at this late stage. They are also awash with players they can't shift. Similarly, the rags have failed in almost every bid & still have not moved Berbatov. If the blokes working for them aren't upto it, who do we use ?

How can the job Marwood or Khaldoon or whoever else is doing for City, be worse than the job their blokes are doing for them ? I don't get it.

(And as has been mentioned, did Cook not bring in that Williams bloke from Blackburn, who is supposed to be brilliant, to deal with the low level transfers out ?)

Jeezes.
His title is Football Administration Officer. Essentially director of football. He runs that part of the operation. I think it's quite clear that he answers for player transfers (both incoming and outgoing), contracts for players and generally about staff. Ie he gives manager to guidelines under which he has to work. Again, Khaldoon (and finances department) will give him financial guidelines under which Marwood has to operate. Major decisions (player signings, new contracts, major staff hirigns) will be approved by chairman but usually only by name.

That is how any decent sized company operates! This is not Peterbrough were manager decides about contracts, scouts and signs players, cuts the grass and paints the fence.

And just as in any business no one will be making any decisions alone. I would assume that identifying transfer targets will be a process involving meetings throughout the season. These meetings would involve, I would guess, over dozen people from Mancini to head of scouting to coaches to representative from finances to Marwood. Depending on player there could be head of Academy and local scout who has identified this player if the player in question is someone relatively unknown or there could be people from marketing department giving analysis if it's some world class player. That's how business is done in major company.

However what we DO know is that Marwood is in charge of all that. That is a fact. What you are essentially questioning here is how hands on he is. Well that is up to him of course but buck stops with him. And that is why people are questioning his work this summer and not work of some random faceless employee. And we are paying him, I would assume, very decent compensation to shoulder that responsibility.

Actually, my main question was how hands on Khaldoon is & according to him, & people who claim to know him, that is considerably. Imo the buck stops above Marwood.

But why does nobody use the same judgement on the transfer activities of other (bigger) clubs ?

Why should we be doing better than Mourinho in the current climate ?

[Risby]

Marwoods job looks in danger anyway. Frank Arnesen is being suggested for the next director of football at the club and the article I read suggests there isn't another role for BW.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I don't think that my shit is any snottier than yours & I don't think that anyone has suggested that we aren't going to be fucked over on the sale of our players. The question is; who decides ? In the case of Tevez, it was Khaldoon.

You are saying you know for certain that isn't the case regarding Adebayor & that Marwood can do what he likes ?

I don't think I've been snotty until replying to your last couple of missives. You know I rate you very highly as a poster and I can't recall us ever even disagreeing much on here but on this we do.

The second point, no, I have never said that Marwood can do what he likes. In fact I have explicitly stated that he is clearly working to parameters set out by/agreed with Khaldoon.

I also am fully in agreement that he and Sheikh Mansour will ultimately have the casting yes/no decision when an impasse is reached.

That is not what I have been questioning at all and I cannot quite understand what part of the fact that it is Marwood's EXECUTION of deal making within those boundaries and parameters that I have massive issue with. Ditto Doom I'm certain from what he has also posted. If you don't think that it is odd that the likes of United, Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal etc manage to conclude big transfers regularly with a minimum of being dragged into public auctions with prices being driven up and, in that light you think it likely that Marwood is really rather good at this then fair enough...but don't expect me to agree.

Despite the fact that the aforementioned clubs (and others) have greater "pull" in terms of prestige/history/enduring success than us the clubs selling to them, the players being transferred to them and the agents acting on behalf of those players know that these clubs (like us) have deep pockets and that other clubs would be interested if word got out that the deal was under discussion. So, very often, not much gets out...there is no protracted saga in the papers....the deal just gets done with a minimum of fuss and at a certain price.

You may think that this is an anti-City conspiracy or that we are victims of our previous exuberance and naivety in the market; I think it is because Brian Marwood is not fit for purpose for this particular aspect of his job.

As I keep stating, I am not a Marwood supporter, I am neutral. The reason for that is the fact that I don't know what part, if any, Marwood has in these things & I don't know whether he has done anything wrong at all or whether he has done things which are brilliant in attracting some of the fantastic players we have got. I do like the way the club as a whole is shaping & I'm assuming he's doing well there but I don't know that either.

I do however know that Khaldoon is personally involved in some transfers in & out. I can't imagine he had much to do with Rodwell but Tevez, Robinho etc definitely, as he's said so. It's not impossible therefore to imagine him being involved with Ade, RVP, DeRossi etc.

But so far this summer, the two biggest clubs in the world have failed to sign two players who are desperate to sign for them (Modric & Martinez respectively) & Barca are now 'rumoured' to be moving in on Song, at this late stage. They are also awash with players they can't shift. Similarly, the rags have failed in almost every bid & still have not moved Berbatov. If the blokes working for them aren't upto it, who do we use ?

How can the job Marwood or Khaldoon or whoever else is doing for City, be worse than the job their blokes are doing for them ? I don't get it.

(And as has been mentioned, did Cook not bring in that Williams bloke from Blackburn, who is supposed to be brilliant, to deal with the low level transfers out ?)

Jeezes.
His title is Football Administration Officer. Essentially director of football. He runs that part of the operation. I think it's quite clear that he answers for player transfers (both incoming and outgoing), contracts for players and generally about staff. Ie he gives manager to guidelines under which he has to work. Again, Khaldoon (and finances department) will give him financial guidelines under which Marwood has to operate. Major decisions (player signings, new contracts, major staff hirigns) will be approved by chairman but usually only by name.

That is how any decent sized company operates! This is not Peterbrough were manager decides about contracts, scouts and signs players, cuts the grass and paints the fence.

And just as in any business no one will be making any decisions alone. I would assume that identifying transfer targets will be a process involving meetings throughout the season. These meetings would involve, I would guess, over dozen people from Mancini to head of scouting to coaches to representative from finances to Marwood. Depending on player there could be head of Academy and local scout who has identified this player if the player in question is someone relatively unknown or there could be people from marketing department giving analysis if it's some world class player. That's how business is done in major company.

However what we DO know is that Marwood is in charge of all that. That is a fact. What you are essentially questioning here is how hands on he is. Well that is up to him of course but buck stops with him. And that is why people are questioning his work this summer and not work of some random faceless employee. And we are paying him, I would assume, very decent compensation to shoulder that responsibility.

Actually, my main question was how hands on Khaldoon is & according to him, & people who claim to know him, that is considerably. Imo the buck stops above Marwood.

But why does nobody use the same judgement on the transfer activities of other (bigger) clubs ?

Why should we be doing better than Mourinho in the current climate ?

Khaldoon has very little experience of football transfers and football in general. As and executive and running the business side of things he seems world class to me though. These people didn't make their trillions by being experts of everything. They are smart enough to understand that and that's why they hire best people to their companies so that they can trust on them to make right calls and not having to participate on day to day minutee. And that's the way to do it imo. I can't for a second imagine Khaldoon would have any view on players we sign apart from financial side of things.

That is why we have best players in the world. We have one of the best managers in the world. For fucks sake, our groundstaff have been recognized for being one of the best in the League! Marwood was and still is odd man out there. He has no previous resumee of running this sort of operation anywhere never mind top of the world football. STILL, he has been given time to prove his worth and learn his trade slowly. And in business world time Marwood has been given really is exceptionally long. But this summer he has been given financial limitations under which he has had to operate and has been his time to show his claws and prove that he has been worth the investment owners have made on this (in football world sense) unknown commodity who got his job on recommendation from his friend who isn't even in the job anymore.

And I'm not calling for anyone's head. I'm just making observations and I doubt Khaldoon and owners will let thsi incompetence go on for very long. Don't be surprised if he gets golden handshake in autumn after the transfer window has closed.

[Ted Hughes]

But nobody is ever answering the question as to what Marwood has done wrong in the current climate compared to his opposite number at other similar or even much bigger clubs.

If we're just saying Marwood is shite because we haven't made any big signings, then surely all these other people are equally shite ?

If it was Marwood who had been chasing Modric, what would the verdict be ? If it was Marwood who still had Kaka on the books, what would the verdict be ?

Why are they ok & Marwood shit if this is the criteria ?

[sheikh it all about]

Jesus, two strings dominated by the Marwood debate and the same old clique locking antlers. Is it the rutting season or what? This forum is getting really boring.

[Ted Hughes]

Jesus, two strings dominated by the Marwood debate and the same old clique locking antlers. Is it the rutting season or what? This forum is getting really boring.

And what's your fucking contribution ?

Have you posted anyhing mind bogglingly interesting in any of the other threads, or come up with anything whatsoever to add to any conversation or change the subject to anything, anything at all ?

Is the forum so full of stuff that there is no room for you to post your pearls of wisdom to break through the tedium ?

Perhaps you could light up our fucking day for us ?

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Jesus, two strings dominated by the Marwood debate and the same old clique locking antlers. Is it the rutting season or what? This forum is getting really boring.

At least it's sent Mancio mental again which is mildly amusing.

I agree tho this is pretty fucking tedious. Nobody really knows these details yet they're all writing novels on it.

[Ted Hughes]

Marwoods job looks in danger anyway. Frank Arnesen is being suggested for the next director of football at the club and the article I read suggests there isn't another role for BW.

Just spotted this. Are you sure it's not his son you are talking about ? I believe we have just employed him on the scouting team, which I presume is a Marwood appointment ?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Jesus, two strings dominated by the Marwood debate and the same old clique locking antlers. Is it the rutting season or what? This forum is getting really boring.

And what's your fucking contribution ?

Have you posted anyhing mind bogglingly interesting in any of the other threads, or come up with anything whatsoever to add to any conversation or change the subject to anything, anything at all ?

Is the forum so full of stuff that there is no room for you to post your pearls of wisdom to break through the tedium ?

Perhaps you could light up our fucking day for us ?

This.

[Risby]

Just spotted this. Are you sure it's not his son you are talking about ? I believe we have just employed him on the scouting team, which I presume is a Marwood appointment ?

His son is one of our scouts and Frank is apparently frustrated with his club in Germany. He know the premiership and has vast experience in what we are looking for. But it could just be another name in the hat.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Just spotted this. Are you sure it's not his son you are talking about ? I believe we have just employed him on the scouting team, which I presume is a Marwood appointment ?

His son is one of our scouts and Frank is apparently frustrated with his club in Germany. He know the premiership and has vast experience in what we are looking for. But it could just be another name in the hat.

Frank Arnesen has the kind of CV you'd expect from Director of Football in Club our size. Having said that, loads of people in Chelsea organization claim that under Arnesen the youth development was overlooked.

[DoomMerchant]

This.

That ^^^^

Since when can't a bunch of motherfuckers talk on a message board.

Jays us Christ.

There's an American Atheist forum out there which may be better suited for some apparently.

Also, I'm goddam excited for the season to kick off. In case anyone cares we are defending champs and faves to repeat. Pretty fuckkng amazing achievement and something we can all raise a glass to with pride and surely agree on without bickering and sniping.

Now about Brian......

[Socrates]

Jesus, two strings dominated by the Marwood debate and the same old clique locking antlers. Is it the rutting season or what? This forum is getting really boring.

If the pitched battles and guerilla warfare is too much for you, I suggest you help yourself to a nice cup of tea and a kit kat and come back in a week or two...

[DoomMerchant]

If the pitched battles and guerilla warfare is too much for you, I suggest you help yourself to a nice cup of tea and a kit kat and come back in a week or two...

A week or two seems ambitious. This should be over by Saturday. Rally your Atheist American forces for one last push Dungeon Master.

[Socrates]

If the pitched battles and guerilla warfare is too much for you, I suggest you help yourself to a nice cup of tea and a kit kat and come back in a week or two...

A week or two seems ambitious. This should be over by Saturday. Rally your Atheist American forces for one last push Dungeon Master.

Shut up and stop making me laugh, I'm supposed to be ignoring you!

[DoomMerchant]

Shut up and stop making me laugh, I'm supposed to be ignoring you!

;)