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Re: New CEO

Postby Swales4ever » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:39 am

Alex Sapphire wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:Don't really give a monkey's if Marwood gets sacked tomorrow or stays as I don't see him as responsible for our lack of activity so far this summer.
What I find strange is people are mourning a man who fucked up our chance to sign a superstar whilst being given permission to bid an amount that is unpreceedented ,giving contracts to people like Ade and Bridge that are silly and making numerous gaffs.

R_H,
people are not mourning that man because he - allegedly (when adriano galliani and his master are involved, doubt is always a common practice) - fucked up our chance to sign a superstar.
people are mourning a man who is a proven senior manager on marketing operation and brand development. people are mourning because is NOW when the benefit of GC would have been deployed.

people would also be happy if You would start to make up your opinion on marwood based on his qualifications, previous experiences on the position and results acheived.


Cook was never up to this big a job and he proved it. More than once.
I hope our new CEO is as good as you believe Cook is but suspect he'll be better

as You can see in my post just above, Alex, I do believe he is the best candidate.
hence we are in full agreement. that does not change the reality of facts: Cook is a proven senior manager on marketing operations and brand development, while Marwood is simply not a sporting director.

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Re: New CEO

Postby john68 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:25 pm

Mancio,
I do think that you are getting a little over excited about Mr Marwood and his role and you seem to criticise him at every opportunity. Bearing in mind that when Cook was around, he was Marwood's boss and it seems to have always been City's long term policy to replace Cooke. There was never any announcement regarding Marwood being promoted to Cook's role and now we have Glick and Soriano coming in.
As you are so keen to shoot the bullets at Marwood's failures, can you please explain the following?

What was Marwood's job prior to Cook leaving?
How did his job change when Cook left?
What will be his job when the new team comes in?
If Marwood's job changed when Cook left, who took Marwood's old job?

Those are serious questions mate.
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Re: New CEO

Postby Swales4ever » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:33 pm

john68 wrote:Mancio,
I do think that you are getting a little over excited about Mr Marwood and his role and you seem to criticise him at every opportunity. Bearing in mind that when Cook was around, he was Marwood's boss and it seems to have always been City's long term policy to replace Cooke. There was never any announcement regarding Marwood being promoted to Cook's role and now we have Glick and Soriano coming in.
As you are so keen to shoot the bullets at Marwood's failures, can you please explain the following?

What was Marwood's job prior to Cook leaving?
How did his job change when Cook left?
What will be his job when the new team comes in?
If Marwood's job changed when Cook left, who took Marwood's old job?

Those are serious questions mate.

Sir John,
because I am aware that I am not fit to even polish your boots, your steady criticism of my criticism of Marwood is bringing me to a more thoughtful, careful re-reading of Brian Marwood's professional qualifications and track records for the job of sporting director at a leading football Club. It's a promise from a pupil of Your goodself.

As my genuine convincement stands now, my serious answers to your serious questions are, atm at least:
What was Marwood's job prior to Cook leaving? to undertake executive tasks concerning the market operations and Academy Development Plans, as designed and established by the mutual projectuality of Owner, Charman, CEO and, for the parts which directly involve him, the Manager. also and very marginally, the same as Lombardo and Salsano for Mancini: to keep him warm.
How did his job change when Cook left? not very much, apart for that he temporarily stepped in the hole/grey area that naturally arise from a temporary lack of an important ring in the chain of command. factually he filled that blanc space by dumping the manager views on football with his primitive vision of it, while maintaining the usual average performance, typical of an amateur, in undertaking the executive tasks.
What will be his job when the new team comes in? no one. hopefully, he will progressively marginalized until a senior sporting director (Aitor Begiristain? certainly my hopes ahve risen with the Soriano appointment) will be hired and then given the standard golden parachute when the lights will have been turned off.
Certainly it's very difficult not to note that, since the Chaiman's attention has been drawn to the sporting side of the project, the bloke, who is a senior and established voice into the World Economic Forum, who saved Barclays from bail out while making profit of it, but which is not good enough to have the beter over Adebayor' agent in the opinion of those who are naive enough to think that he got time to personally undertake the executive tasks of the market!, he flew here, the CEO's blanc space has been filled with the best candidate available and that who the Club has looked at as the first choice and the market operations have productively started all the sudden. all in a very timely and apt gap of few hours/days.
If Marwood's job changed when Cook left, who took Marwood's old job? see answers to questions 2 and 3 as broadly applicable.

that, at least is the humble 5 pc of Your humble apprentice, my Lord.

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Re: New CEO

Postby john68 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:13 am

Mancio,
I would fully agree with the answer to my first question but may I ask whether you think it is reasonable to suggest that he was allowed to temporarily step into the hole left by Cook's departure and given a free hand? Or do you think that it is more likely that he was fully instructed by Khaldoon on what he could and couldn't do?

You insert the word factually, before making specific accusations that Marwood; "dumped the manager's views on football with his primitive vision of it, while maintaining the usual average performance, typical of an amateur, in undertaking the executive tasks"

Do you have any specific evidence for this/these accusations to prove that your accusations are factual, rather than your opinion.

I cannot believe for one moment that Marwood was promoted, temporarily or otherwise and left to his own devices without being given full instructions by those above him, regarding what he could and couldn't do.

We know from interviews and statement made by Khaldoon that there is a carefully laid out schedule and strategy for the future of City in all areas of the club. Do you really believe that Khaldoon would allow Marwood a free role without Khaldoon also being a part of any of it?
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Re: New CEO

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:02 am

Khaldoon has been in Manchester for days but he hasn't got time to actually do anything regarding City. I don't know why he's choosing to conduct all his other business from here as it must be much easier to do it from Abu Dhabi, New York etc, but for some reason he's here, but he doesn't have the time to work on anything for City. Perhaps he is just here for the weather ?
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Re: New CEO

Postby Nigels Tackle » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:26 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Khaldoon has been in Manchester for days but he hasn't got time to actually do anything regarding City. I don't know why he's choosing to conduct all his other business from here as it must be much easier to do it from Abu Dhabi, New York etc, but for some reason he's here, but he doesn't have the time to work on anything for City. Perhaps he is just here for the weather ?


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Re: New CEO

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:31 am

Nigels Tackle wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Khaldoon has been in Manchester for days but he hasn't got time to actually do anything regarding City. I don't know why he's choosing to conduct all his other business from here as it must be much easier to do it from Abu Dhabi, New York etc, but for some reason he's here, but he doesn't have the time to work on anything for City. Perhaps he is just here for the weather ?


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Re: New CEO

Postby Dunnylad » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:06 am

I'm bloody confused about who does what, other than Mancini, HRH & Khaldoon and to be honest I'm not bothered. What I do know is for the second summer transfer window running we seem to be very slow in signing players & that isn't acceptable. Yes FFP & this year's Euros makes things slightly more complex, but that doesn't excuse not having any new players signed to complete a full pre-season training - also what happened to the bloke from Blackburn whose role was to get rid of the dead wood, now of anyone's done a shite job it's him!
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Re: New CEO

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:33 am

Dunnylad wrote:I'm bloody confused about who does what, other than Mancini, HRH & Khaldoon and to be honest I'm not bothered. What I do know is for the second summer transfer window running we seem to be very slow in signing players & that isn't acceptable. Yes FFP & this year's Euros makes things slightly more complex, but that doesn't excuse not having any new players signed to complete a full pre-season training - also what happened to the bloke from Blackburn whose role was to get rid of the dead wood, now of anyone's done a shite job it's him!


It's not easy when you offer players almost everything & they still won't go. Most clubs can't afford their wages either. The players know they have until the last day of the transfer window to hang on for the best deal & the best club & if they miss that deadline, there is another window in a few months time, when City will be even more desperate to offload them.

They can afford to call our bluff & try to get every last drop out of us whilst their agents go round other clubs trying to drum up interest. If we've offered to pay Ade's wages at Spurs for instance, why won't we do the same if his agent can get AC Milan interested ?
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Re: New CEO

Postby Dunnylad » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:14 am

Thanks for that response Ted - that then raises the question of who offered them the bloody daft contracts we are now stuck with & are they still at the club? Bridge is a prime example and even Mancini admitted that he couldn't understand players who didn't want to play football & were just happy picking up their pay packet each week.
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Re: New CEO

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:03 pm

Dunnylad wrote:Thanks for that response Ted - that then raises the question of who offered them the bloody daft contracts we are now stuck with & are they still at the club? Bridge is a prime example and even Mancini admitted that he couldn't understand players who didn't want to play football & were just happy picking up their pay packet each week.


None of them would have signed for City if we hadn't offered them daft contracts, not even Wayne Bridge, we were a yoyo, relegation to mid table club with no recent record of success or proven potential, just money . The owner was happy to throw money at it, at the time & didn't care, Cooke & Co were begging them to sign & telling them how wonderful it would be so the players gave 'the project' a go. Those players got us into a position where we became attractive to better players, who are on even more money, & Bob wants more, on even more money, so we're trying to kick some of the old guard out.

Sooner or later, they will all be gone & their places taken by world class stars or potential top quality players of the future. If not this season, then next.

Meanwhile, we won the league, so the plan worked.
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Re: New CEO

Postby Dameerto » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:13 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:Khaldoon has been in Manchester for days but he hasn't got time to actually do anything regarding City. I don't know why he's choosing to conduct all his other business from here as it must be much easier to do it from Abu Dhabi, New York etc, but for some reason he's here, but he doesn't have the time to work on anything for City. Perhaps he is just here for the weather ?


I would assume he's clearing his diary ahead of the transfer window closing.
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Re: New CEO

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Dameerto wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Khaldoon has been in Manchester for days but he hasn't got time to actually do anything regarding City. I don't know why he's choosing to conduct all his other business from here as it must be much easier to do it from Abu Dhabi, New York etc, but for some reason he's here, but he doesn't have the time to work on anything for City. Perhaps he is just here for the weather ?


I would assume he's clearing his diary ahead of the transfer window closing.


Has he got time ?
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Re: New CEO

Postby ronk » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:49 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
None of them would have signed for City if we hadn't offered them daft contracts, not even Wayne Bridge, we were a yoyo, relegation to mid table club with no recent record of success or proven potential, just money . The owner was happy to throw money at it, at the time & didn't care, Cooke & Co were begging them to sign & telling them how wonderful it would be so the players gave 'the project' a go. Those players got us into a position where we became attractive to better players, who are on even more money, & Bob wants more, on even more money, so we're trying to kick some of the old guard out.

Sooner or later, they will all be gone & their places taken by world class stars or potential top quality players of the future. If not this season, then next.

Meanwhile, we won the league, so the plan worked.


And these daft contract players didn't stick around. I think they were a delay in the proper project. Sure, we're in a stronger place for signing players so we have a stronger bargaining position, but we still bought badly.

Bridge was a case in point: the guy was happy out to sit on the Chelsea bench and be the 2nd highest paid left back in England. He didn't join us to get football or be part of our project, he wanted a pay-rise.
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Re: New CEO

Postby Dameerto » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:02 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
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Ted Hughes wrote:Khaldoon has been in Manchester for days but he hasn't got time to actually do anything regarding City. I don't know why he's choosing to conduct all his other business from here as it must be much easier to do it from Abu Dhabi, New York etc, but for some reason he's here, but he doesn't have the time to work on anything for City. Perhaps he is just here for the weather ?


I would assume he's clearing his diary ahead of the transfer window closing.


Has he got time ?


I'm not in a position to say, which is why it's an assumption - he's in Manchester for a reason though, that's fairly certain in my mind.
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Re: New CEO

Postby Swales4ever » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:54 pm

I have made clearly my point - right or wrong - regarding an issue that concerned and concerns me utmost, incomparably more than the comedy of FFPR.
I obviously am - just like all of us - just a passionate armchair fan, with some years of careful watch of footy and a little experience of business management at incomparably lower level and on different sector.
None, other that the Club's Board, is in the position to have legal evidence of any act undertook by directors. Still - if old maths say "2 and 2 make 4" makes any sense - if You combine Mr. Marwood's previous experience on the position (nihl) with handling of market executive operations, contacts, relationships with agents and clubs and few players actually signed (ditto AJ and JM), very decent good prospects but hardly matching with the manager vision of football and actual demand, I do believe there is - AT VERY LEAST - serious ground for questioning the opportunity of this appointment: Leading Companies demand senior officiers in charge of key position, FACT.
Then if You, not me anymore, want to insist with this weird pantomime of a director, paid as director by a leading company, who actually is just secretary to someone else, fine! I do agree with all the admonitions directed towards me by plenty of senior and wise posters of this board, who I do respect as more fitted than me to care of MCFC sake: this debate is getting annoying, all points have been widely presented and evaluated by those who care and bother. No value in insisting.

I rest my case, in the strong believe that all it matters is that:
1) MCFC is ruled and administrated by the wisest and qualified businessman any Club could be blessed with: our beloved and utmost respected Chairman, dr. Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak.
2) the Chaiman's attention has certainly been drawn, by the manager remarks over the handling of the last two summer market operations, on the issue.
3) I do trust the Chairman to make his assessment and sort any eventual issue - as I right/wrong opine to be - out.

as far as I am concerned, the debate, degenerated in useless and silly polemics, stops now and I am gonna make any effort not to drawn into it by any further provocative post.
we all have a delightful and utterly exciting season of real football ahead to be enjoed, in the confidence that MCFC, in the safe hands of the present Ownership and Management have only one way in front: ONWARD AND UPWARD.

Bless and luv to all including, first and foremost, those who are refusing to reply to my PM even with and annoyed insult.

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Re: New CEO

Postby john68 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:07 am

Mancio,
My post was NOT a personal attack on you Mate. Nor was it meant in any way disrespectful. I too thought this debate had come to an end and was more than happy to allow it to die a quiet natural death. However, over a number of subsequent posts, you continued to chip away with what I felt were unsubstantiated accusations against Marwood.

If a man is to be accused, there must surely be some hard evidence to find him guilty, I was merely trying to ascertain what, if any hard evidence you had to prove that he was solely to blame for the failure to sell Ade, RSC et al. What hard evidence there was to prove he was solely to blame for the failure to buy Hazard, Van Persie and others, what hard evidence that there wqas to prove that this and other failures were the sole responsibility of Marwood.

I am not defending Marwood per se, I am simply seeking the truth and as yet, in amongst the opinion and innuendo, NONE has been provided.
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Re: New CEO

Postby Slim » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:01 am

john68 wrote:Mancio,
My post was NOT a personal attack on you Mate. Nor was it meant in any way disrespectful. I too thought this debate had come to an end and was more than happy to allow it to die a quiet natural death. However, over a number of subsequent posts, you continued to chip away with what I felt were unsubstantiated accusations against Marwood.

If a man is to be accused, there must surely be some hard evidence to find him guilty, I was merely trying to ascertain what, if any hard evidence you had to prove that he was solely to blame for the failure to sell Ade, RSC et al. What hard evidence there was to prove he was solely to blame for the failure to buy Hazard, Van Persie and others, what hard evidence that there wqas to prove that this and other failures were the sole responsibility of Marwood.

I am not defending Marwood per se, I am simply seeking the truth and as yet, in amongst the opinion and innuendo, NONE has been provided.


Prove he wasn't.
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Re: New CEO

Postby john68 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:51 am

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john68 wrote:Mancio,
My post was NOT a personal attack on you Mate. Nor was it meant in any way disrespectful. I too thought this debate had come to an end and was more than happy to allow it to die a quiet natural death. However, over a number of subsequent posts, you continued to chip away with what I felt were unsubstantiated accusations against Marwood.

If a man is to be accused, there must surely be some hard evidence to find him guilty, I was merely trying to ascertain what, if any hard evidence you had to prove that he was solely to blame for the failure to sell Ade, RSC et al. What hard evidence there was to prove he was solely to blame for the failure to buy Hazard, Van Persie and others, what hard evidence that there wqas to prove that this and other failures were the sole responsibility of Marwood.

I am not defending Marwood per se, I am simply seeking the truth and as yet, in amongst the opinion and innuendo, NONE has been provided.


Prove he wasn't.


I am a truth searcher, not an accuser. Not denying he is shit,just wanna know what the factual evidence is that is driving all this negative stuff about him,
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Re: New CEO

Postby Slim » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:03 am

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john68 wrote:Mancio,
My post was NOT a personal attack on you Mate. Nor was it meant in any way disrespectful. I too thought this debate had come to an end and was more than happy to allow it to die a quiet natural death. However, over a number of subsequent posts, you continued to chip away with what I felt were unsubstantiated accusations against Marwood.

If a man is to be accused, there must surely be some hard evidence to find him guilty, I was merely trying to ascertain what, if any hard evidence you had to prove that he was solely to blame for the failure to sell Ade, RSC et al. What hard evidence there was to prove he was solely to blame for the failure to buy Hazard, Van Persie and others, what hard evidence that there wqas to prove that this and other failures were the sole responsibility of Marwood.

I am not defending Marwood per se, I am simply seeking the truth and as yet, in amongst the opinion and innuendo, NONE has been provided.


Prove he wasn't.


I am a truth searcher, not an accuser. Not denying he is shit,just wanna know what the factual evidence is that is driving all this negative stuff about him,


Apart from it being in his job description? I am not really one way or the other on Marwood, I think this Summer has been a let down for both clearing the dead wood and bringing in new faces to freshen the lineup. Whether that lies solely with Marwood or is down to Mancini, Marwood, Khaldoon and Platt(because I still need a reason) is no matter, it still lies at least in some part, at Marwood's feet.
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