De Rossi

[Slim]

Sea of twats. I have no idea what you actually wrote there Ted.

[DoomMerchant]

Cheers for the info folks.

It looks like it's down to how much we think DeRossi is worth. He could easily have said he's not going anywhere & made it impossible for Roma to cash in, but he's chosen the 'I'll only leave if the club sell me' routine, just like Agger.

Up to HRH now to decide.

If its up to HRH then what fucking job does Marwood have? Just to run to daddy Everytime something might happen? He should have a budget and approved targets and do the work of the work to get them done or move onto alternates etc. this isn't schoolboy playground shit. And it's also not rocket surgery.

I am so confused by the nutless, ruderless transfer window that is this summer.

If Marwood is some cardboard cutout who is totally toothless then Mancini should push to own the transfer business and just deal with khaldoon and the sheik on his own. Couldn't be worse.

He does the donkeywork & they control the purse strings. The examples & quotes are all out there if you look for it. I've quoted plenty of examples on here but people just skip over it & continue as if I made it up.

Soriano may get to have more control but I recon HRH has the final say on every major transfer.

what's a "major transfer"? something over 20M?

i just don't believe he has the time to be that involved. Khaldoon either. Seems ludicrous to me. You hire people to do a job....footballing people. WTF do the Sheik and Khaldoon know about football transfers? Seriously. Might as well let Ant and I fucking decide.

I'm not trying to argue for the sake of it, but...i just don't get what's happening structurally.

Here's what i would put this down to maybe...new guy's coming in, and everyone's trying to rush into space, show their worth or is fearful of fucking something up so it's created this vacuum/power struggle between Marwood and Mancini.

What do you think of that assessment?

i can't understand why it would be as goofy as it is otherwise...

cheers

[Swales4ever]

and if we think that dealing with Roma is a fucking Italian mess, guess what would be a real deal with the Napoli Owner.
A well known film producer and napoletan (which in my urban dictionary means worst of all Carl's)....

[DoomMerchant]

The twat on twatter who says we have signed Cavani, is going to look like the twat to end all twats if he's wumming on this one. He's just twatting one twat after another about it being 100% done.

i saw that as well...didn't they say Chelsea had a bid accepted a couple weeks back as well from some "ITK" sources?

i just don't see that Aguero's injury really pushes us to Cavani, UNLESS we're still and always were planning to jettison Dzeko.

I think Cavani is an upgrade on Dzeko for sure.

[chips]

Falcao anyone? Might aswell throw another name in the mix.

[Slim]

Falcao anyone? Might aswell throw another name in the mix.

Soooooooooooo expensive though, he was Sergio's replacement and has a long contract.

[lets all have a disco]

Basically we should just fax every Italian side and ask the price for every player that seems about the long and short of our design this summer unless obviously your David Moyes and you go hawking your goods.

[Ted Hughes]

Cheers for the info folks.

It looks like it's down to how much we think DeRossi is worth. He could easily have said he's not going anywhere & made it impossible for Roma to cash in, but he's chosen the 'I'll only leave if the club sell me' routine, just like Agger.

Up to HRH now to decide.

If its up to HRH then what fucking job does Marwood have? Just to run to daddy Everytime something might happen? He should have a budget and approved targets and do the work of the work to get them done or move onto alternates etc. this isn't schoolboy playground shit. And it's also not rocket surgery.

I am so confused by the nutless, ruderless transfer window that is this summer.

If Marwood is some cardboard cutout who is totally toothless then Mancini should push to own the transfer business and just deal with khaldoon and the sheik on his own. Couldn't be worse.

He does the donkeywork & they control the purse strings. The examples & quotes are all out there if you look for it. I've quoted plenty of examples on here but people just skip over it & continue as if I made it up.

Soriano may get to have more control but I recon HRH has the final say on every major transfer.

what's a "major transfer"? something over 20M?

i just don't believe he has the time to be that involved. Khaldoon either. Seems ludicrous to me. You hire people to do a job....footballing people. WTF do the Sheik and Khaldoon know about football transfers? Seriously. Might as well let Ant and I fucking decide.

I'm not trying to argue for the sake of it, but...i just don't get what's happening structurally.

Here's what i would put this down to maybe...new guy's coming in, and everyone's trying to rush into space, show their worth or is fearful of fucking something up so it's created this vacuum/power struggle between Marwood and Mancini.

What do you think of that assessment?

i can't understand why it would be as goofy as it is otherwise...

cheers

Imo, Khaldoon is the eyes & ears of HRH at MCFC.

I think Mancini, like Keegan, would spend every last cent that there is in Abu Dhabi, on players if he got the ok to do so as it's not his problem, he just deals with the team & bollocks to the rest.

HRH likes to be kept in the loop about everything & Khaldoon is his man. When he first took over, every single transfer had to go through HRH personally, so if he was busy, we had to wait until he was available before doing any deals. Nowardays I think he's delegated some of that to Khaldoon so we can operate quickly & Khaldoon uses Marwood & his mob to set it all up, then oks it. On some occasions he & even HRH, speak to players personally, as with Tevez.

According to the general leaks to the press, Hughes was supposed to report to Khaldoon (not Marwood) after every game but didn't. One of the reasons he was fired.

Khaldoon decided what happened with Tevez, not Bob, not Marwood. Khaldoon & Co signed Robinho. Khaldoon stated pre season that we wouldn't be doing lots of business & had to shift a lot of players. HRH said we would sign a couple & get rid of players if we got good offers. Not give them away but get the best deals. Mancini said he wanted loads of players. Marwood said nothing much at all.

When the philosophy of Khaldoon & Mancini clashed, he said 'talk to Brian' because he is the bloke Khaldoon uses to do his work.


I recon that Marwood doesn't give a fuck about his own pr. He just gets on with it quietly, so anyone can say what they like about him & he never replies. Cook would be on the radio/TV every day for a week covering his own arse & Mancini is similar.

Marwood just takes it & gets on with it & creates a buffer/whinge zone between Mancini & the bosses.

He is also putting together the academy & probably involved in signing young players; something which may be outside Mancini's remit but may be Vieira's domain, I don't know.

Somebody like Tricky Burgerstain would probably get things done better because of his standing in Europe but I don't believe Marwood is looked upon as a mug by his opposite numbers.

Just to add. Soriano, at Barca, (not Burgerstain) agreed terms with Beckham. Beckham went to Real Madrid.

People would see that as failure if it was Marwood yet we have just appointed the bloke.

[DoomMerchant]

Cheers for the info folks.

It looks like it's down to how much we think DeRossi is worth. He could easily have said he's not going anywhere & made it impossible for Roma to cash in, but he's chosen the 'I'll only leave if the club sell me' routine, just like Agger.

Up to HRH now to decide.

If its up to HRH then what fucking job does Marwood have? Just to run to daddy Everytime something might happen? He should have a budget and approved targets and do the work of the work to get them done or move onto alternates etc. this isn't schoolboy playground shit. And it's also not rocket surgery.

I am so confused by the nutless, ruderless transfer window that is this summer.

If Marwood is some cardboard cutout who is totally toothless then Mancini should push to own the transfer business and just deal with khaldoon and the sheik on his own. Couldn't be worse.

He does the donkeywork & they control the purse strings. The examples & quotes are all out there if you look for it. I've quoted plenty of examples on here but people just skip over it & continue as if I made it up.

Soriano may get to have more control but I recon HRH has the final say on every major transfer.

what's a "major transfer"? something over 20M?

i just don't believe he has the time to be that involved. Khaldoon either. Seems ludicrous to me. You hire people to do a job....footballing people. WTF do the Sheik and Khaldoon know about football transfers? Seriously. Might as well let Ant and I fucking decide.

I'm not trying to argue for the sake of it, but...i just don't get what's happening structurally.

Here's what i would put this down to maybe...new guy's coming in, and everyone's trying to rush into space, show their worth or is fearful of fucking something up so it's created this vacuum/power struggle between Marwood and Mancini.

What do you think of that assessment?

i can't understand why it would be as goofy as it is otherwise...

cheers

Imo, Khaldoon is the eyes & ears of HRH at MCFC.

I think Mancini, like Keegan, would spend every last cent that there is in Abu Dhabi, on players if he got the ok to do so as it's not his problem, he just deals with the team & bollocks to the rest.

HRH likes to be kept in the loop about everything & Khaldoon is his man. When he first took over, every single transfer had to go through HRH personally, so if he was busy, we had to wait until he was available before doing any deals. Nowardays I think he's delegated some of that to Khaldoon so we can operate quickly & Khaldoon uses Marwood & his mob to set it all up, then oks it. On some occasions he & even HRH, speak to players personally, as with Tevez.

According to the general leaks to the press, Hughes was supposed to report to Khaldoon (not Marwood) after every game but didn't. One of the reasons he was fired.

Khaldoon decided what happened with Tevez, not Bob, not Marwood. Khaldoon & Co signed Robinho. Khaldoon stated pre season that we wouldn't be doing lots of business & had to shift a lot of players. HRH said we would sign a couple & get rid of players if we got good offers. Not give them away but get the best deals. Mancini said he wanted loads of players. Marwood said nothing much at all.

When the philosophy of Khaldoon & Mancini clashed, he said 'talk to Brian' because he is the bloke Khaldoon uses to do his work.


I recon that Marwood doesn't give a fuck about his own pr. He just gets on with it quietly, so anyone can say what they like about him & he never replies. Cook would be on the radio/TV every day for a week covering his own arse & Mancini is similar.

Marwood just takes it & gets on with it & creates a buffer/whinge zone between Mancini & the bosses.

He is also putting together the academy & probably involved in signing young players; something which may be outside Mancini's remit but may be Vieira's domain, I don't know.

Somebody like Tricky Burgerstain would probably get things done better because of his standing in Europe but I don't believe Marwood is looked upon as a mug by his opposite numbers.

Just to add. Soriano, at Barca, (not Burgerstain) agreed terms with Beckham. Beckham went to Real Madrid.

People would see that as failure if it was Marwood yet we have just appointed the bloke.

can we fire the cunt before he starts on Sep 1st then? i'm all for it if you say it's the right thing to do.

i appreciate the breakdown from your perspective. i don't think it's probably far off from reality, but here's my grief...we have a director of football who's toothless, a manager who is extremely politically savvy, ambitious and a driven winner in every role he's ever had in life, and a newly appointed, yet to clock in, CEO. AND guess fucking what? we have a transfer window in which we can execute some key moves to seal what the next 3-5 years looks like imho if we do it right.

YET, we are fucking it up bigtime i believe.

Khaldon't you see what my issues are with this?

[Ted Hughes]

I want new players just as much as you do but I firmly believe that Khaldoon has decided we operate in a particular way from now on, or at least try to, & it's part of a long term evolving plan which has so far worked like a dream.

I also think it's fucking difficult to bring in the players we want, even with Tricky Burgerstain & a blank chequebook, but if we are trying to do the deals for sensible money, then we are just one top club making an offer for a top player. Another club can make a bigger offer.

It may be that Khaldoon will suddenly go 'fuck it' or perhaps HRH will go 'sign x' in which case we will do it immediately, but if they stick to the plan, we are just the same as Rags or Chelsea or anyone else bidding what we think a player is worth to us.

A geezer on Bluemoon who is pretty genuine recons this Cavani to City stuff could possibly be aimed at Chelsea because they are doing the same as we have been doing; refusing to pay stupid money for him. If HRH was to suddenly decide to abandon the plan though, he's available, as is DeRossi I imagine. We would possibly have both in an instant but it wouldn't be down to Marwood, just as it won't be if we sign nobody.

(As a side note, he seems to think Dzeko is borderline & wants out btw).

[john68]

Doomie,
Suppose, just suppose that when we hired a bloke to do this, it wasn't actually Marwood. Suppose, just suppose that you are assuming that it is Marwood's job....and suppose, just suppose that it never was his job, isn't now and not likely to be in the future.

What is Marwood's job? Obviously you haven't a fuclin clue....so pick a name and chuck shit at it. If you need to know why Marwood was employed, it was quite plainly stated at the time. At the time Cook was the face in the frame. I don't ever remember that Marwood had been promoted when Cook left.....and if Marwood had been promoted to Cook's job, why the fuck do you think there was still a vacancy?

[Swales4ever]

Folks,
it's eeeennnooouuuuuuggggghhhhhh.... ;-))))))
suppose, just suppose, that it's not Marwood, it's John, Roger, Tony, Wayne, the plumber, the butcher, the baker.... not a sporting director with a previous solid profesisonal experience who made him eligible for the position at a leading football club.

we can go on up to infinite standing on each other fence. FFS we have passed away the Ted Hughes and BBS thread, why on the hell can't we stop talking shite about a secretary?

the positions of debate have been granted and cleared:
one side would love to have a TOP PROFESSIONAL of the position in charge, as well as we have Sergio to lead the strike force and Vinnie to shield the shield (Joe) of the goal
the other side is more ecumenical, live in the peace of believe that Khaldoon can stop attending one of the countless Board Meetings he is scheduled in, week in and week out, and undertake executive tasks.

OK.

can we stop hacking every single thread and keep enjoying the best football of the world, played by some of the best footballers and backed by the best ownership in the world, for the sake and glory of God's Own Club?
the arguments are getting everyday more petty, hence not up to our quality... imho.

[john68]

I love it when you rant....:-)

[carl_feedthegoat]

Can a mod lock this thread seeing as the cunt isnt coming to play for us.

[Swales4ever]

I love it when you rant....:-)

anything I might do to bring You joy, will always be more satisfactory than the best puberty wank, my Lord.... ;)

'night. I must command myself to sleep, despite torrid climate. tomoz will be heavy.
chhers

[Blue Since 76]

Can a mod lock this thread seeing as the cunt isnt coming to play for us.

Or is he?...

[Mase]

I just really can't be arsed anymore!

[Slim]

Folks,
it's eeeennnooouuuuuuggggghhhhhh.... ;-))))))
suppose, just suppose, that it's not Marwood, it's John, Roger, Tony, Wayne, the plumber, the butcher, the baker.... not a sporting director with a previous solid profesisonal experience who made him eligible for the position at a leading football club.

we can go on up to infinite standing on each other fence. FFS we have passed away the Ted Hughes and BBS thread, why on the hell can't we stop talking shite about a secretary?

the positions of debate have been granted and cleared:
one side would love to have a TOP PROFESSIONAL of the position in charge, as well as we have Sergio to lead the strike force and Vinnie to shield the shield (Joe) of the goal
the other side is more ecumenical, live in the peace of believe that Khaldoon can stop attending one of the countless Board Meetings he is scheduled in, week in and week out, and undertake executive tasks.

OK.

can we stop hacking every single thread and keep enjoying the best football of the world, played by some of the best footballers and backed by the best ownership in the world, for the sake and glory of God's Own Club?
the arguments are getting everyday more petty, hence not up to our quality... imho.

Don't you mean ezzzz enough? Are you really Italian? I have my doubts.

[PeterParker]

I tend to agree with Ted on what he said, but i might add this:

I am really sure that Bobby was asked to start promoting youngsters to the squad, like Suarez, Rekik, etc. The board did all that they could to bring the best youngsters in the world here, to train them to become better and better so we would need to pay a shit load of money on players and have sagas every summer. That would be the best solution for us.

As for his summer, they could have a go at Sneijder. I think it could be much easier to buy him now, than it was last summer.

[Ted Hughes]

I tend to agree with Ted on what he said, but i might add this:

I am really sure that Bobby was asked to start promoting youngsters to the squad, like Suarez, Rekik, etc. The board did all that they could to bring the best youngsters in the world here, to train them to become better and better so we would need to pay a shit load of money on players and have sagas every summer. That would be the best solution for us.

As for his summer, they could have a go at Sneijder. I think it could be much easier to buy him now, than it was last summer.

The big plan at City is the academy & producing players. It has been since the takeover.

Whilst people were busy wanking themselves into a frenzy over the likes of Robinho, Khaldoon was spending most of his time finding out every detail of the academy & started making changes almost immediately.

HRH does not & never did want to spend £100m per year on players & I doubt they wanted to spend 10s of millions on kids. It's just a case of there being no option, as there was barely anything in the academy worth keeping for a top level team.

We have signed a lot recently & it's still ongoing. It seems like every day we are talking to another young prospect.