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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Socrates » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:39 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
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Beefymcfc wrote:You can imagine Sky's exec team who put the last package together wondering what they are going to get for their money. The top players deserting the league for comparable salaries in other leagues. The Sky viewers having to watch a lesser league than they are used to can't be good.

Think as well, clubs getting less money for their current superstars because they have to sell due to FFP, with only the top earning clubs being able to poach them?

We've enjoyed our football for many years without the restrictions of certain clubs wanting to keep themselves at the top. It's a competition within a competition where the draw is the chance to beat the 'Richest Teams'. Now they want to change it there will be many who will say 'No thanks', you've taken all hope and competition away. And to be truthful, I'll be one of them.


It doesn't actually mean that though does it Beefy? FFP had been constructed to ensure the established order can spend exactly what they have been spending. It only impacts on us and Chelsea at present and we are moving towards a position where we will be ok. Yes, it limits future investment of smaller clubs that get rich owners but we won't see wages fall as a result of this, we will still be competitive wage wise.


The rags will push wages up if this comes in. It's a deliberate policy they & their cronies have used to destroy the opposition since the advent of the Champion's League. This would allow them to do it again. If our turnover isn't comparable at that point, they & Arsenal plus the top clubs in Spain etc will do to us what we have been doing to Arsenal.

Our bosses will not accept this without either finding a loophole or fighting it. Same with the UEFA one.

It's clear to everyone what this is about & it has nothing to do with fair play. We should counter it with an argument for genuine fair play an equal distribution of CL money throughout the leagues & a draft system, like in the US. See how much fair play they really want.


Precisement Ted. As a league we will remain competitive but within the league there will be no competition...
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:12 am

Be said with utmost respect towards the special Person who started the thread, a senior professional of accountancy and financial related matters, who I am proud to count amongst my True Friends, but this totally biased and made-up article just make me laugh.
Its significance is so much evident that You can't even find trace of it anymore onto the site from where it's launched

when it will happens that City get banned from any competion, domestic or international, due to any financial related matter, I'll come on here to offer my neck to the ax.
seriously.

I am not questioning the massive, bitterly, desire of the Filth and/or any other G13 to make their dream come true, preserve their Divine right to supremacy by sweeping out, as per a touch of magic, the Major Threat to what have been granted to them by Divine Intercession: but it will just never happen!

I do stand in the rock solid believe that there are more chances (equal to zero) for The EEC to reach and agreement with Cameron's UK and impose a sort of Tobin Tax at least on the whole European financial market for derivatives, rather than to see MCFC banned or deducted points from whatsoever present or future competition.

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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby mcfc1632 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:34 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Socrates wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:You can imagine Sky's exec team who put the last package together wondering what they are going to get for their money. The top players deserting the league for comparable salaries in other leagues. The Sky viewers having to watch a lesser league than they are used to can't be good.

Think as well, clubs getting less money for their current superstars because they have to sell due to FFP, with only the top earning clubs being able to poach them?

We've enjoyed our football for many years without the restrictions of certain clubs wanting to keep themselves at the top. It's a competition within a competition where the draw is the chance to beat the 'Richest Teams'. Now they want to change it there will be many who will say 'No thanks', you've taken all hope and competition away. And to be truthful, I'll be one of them.


It doesn't actually mean that though does it Beefy? FFP had been constructed to ensure the established order can spend exactly what they have been spending. It only impacts on us and Chelsea at present and we are moving towards a position where we will be ok. Yes, it limits future investment of smaller clubs that get rich owners but we won't see wages fall as a result of this, we will still be competitive wage wise.


The rags will push wages up if this comes in. It's a deliberate policy they & their cronies have used to destroy the opposition since the advent of the Champion's League. This would allow them to do it again. If our turnover isn't comparable at that point, they & Arsenal plus the top clubs in Spain etc will do to us what we have been doing to Arsenal.

Our bosses will not accept this without either finding a loophole or fighting it. Same with the UEFA one.

It's clear to everyone what this is about & it has nothing to do with fair play. We should counter it with an argument for genuine fair play an equal distribution of CL money throughout the leagues & a draft system, like in the US. See how much fair play they really want.



I think that an EPL FFP will be implemented as things currently stand - the EPL members of the old G14 cartel have the motivation because they are still the top revenue earners and they have enough lackeys amongst the other chairmen of the EPL to probably carry the vote

But this idea highlighted would be the type of thing that might make the non-top 4 chairmen think twice. We could afford such an action, but the Scum would hate the idea and the Glazers could not afford it. There would be some mileage in that although I think that the 'challenge' idea remains (IMO) doomed to failure re UeFA - their decision on Besiktas has already been upheld.

On an aligned point, this news got me thinking about all this Mancni / Marwood stuff. I do not see the situation as a war, just 2 individuals acting to discharge the responsibilities they have been given by the man in change Khaldoon.

We can understand Mancini's as they are measured n results and points, but Marwood will have a set of outcomes to achieve as well and I am sure that he will have sought Khaldoon's guidance on whether he should be relenting etc. Anyone in any job would do the same rather than just stick in a hole - but people just feel the need to approtion blame - not aiming that comment at any individual.
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:48 pm

mcfc1632 wrote:I think that an EPL FFP will be implemented as things currently stand - the EPL members of the old G14 cartel have the motivation because they are still the top revenue earners and [highlight]they have enough lackeys amongst the other chairmen of the EPL to probably carry the vote[/highlight]

But this idea highlighted would be the type of thing that might make the non-top 4 chairmen think twice. We could afford such an action, but the Scum would hate the idea and the Glazers could not afford it. There would be some mileage in that although I think that the 'challenge' idea remains (IMO) doomed to failure re UeFA - their decision on Besiktas has already been upheld.

On an aligned point, this news got me thinking about all this Mancni / Marwood stuff. I do not see the situation as a war, just 2 individuals acting to discharge the responsibilities they have been given by the man in change Khaldoon.

We can understand Mancini's as they are measured n results and points, but Marwood will have a set of outcomes to achieve as well and I am sure that he will have sought Khaldoon's guidance on whether he should be relenting etc. Anyone in any job would do the same rather than just stick in a hole - but people just feel the need to approtion blame - not aiming that comment at any individual.

I am pretty sure You will be, just, annoyed by this post and deem it as a confrontational go at Your convictions: I can only promise it's not.
You have just dropped down the answer to Your own considerations: which kind of professional position can provide (legally), along with other thingies, sporting influence? (to a wise, wealth Foreign Investor with an AAA business plan)

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5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby mcfc1632 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:51 pm

Mancio4ever wrote:Be said with utmost respect towards the special Person who started the thread, a senior professional of accountancy and financial related matters, who I am proud to count amongst my True Friends, but this totally biased and made-up article just make me laugh.
Its significance is so much evident that You can't even find trace of it anymore onto the site from where it's launched

when it will happens that City get banned from any competion, domestic or international, due to any financial related matter, I'll come on here to offer my neck to the ax.
seriously.

I am not questioning the massive, bitterly, desire of the Filth and/or any other G13 to make their dream come true, preserve their Divine right to supremacy by sweeping out, as per a touch of magic, the Major Threat to what have been granted to them by Divine Intercession: but it will just never happen!

I do stand in the rock solid believe that there are more chances (equal to zero) for The EEC to reach and agreement with Cameron's UK and impose a sort of Tobin Tax at least on the whole European financial market for derivatives, rather than to see MCFC banned or deducted points from whatsoever present or future competition.



My first thought was WOW !!! How incredibly naive, but then I read the bit “.......MCFC banned or deducted points from whatsoever present or future competition.” And of course you are right – just not for the right reasons.

By this I mean that we will not be banned because Khaldoon (and his non-playing management team), have taken the threat of FFP far more seriously than some fans – so we will be compliant.

Of course we need on-pitch success as well, so (with regard FFP), we can thank both groups, - Khaldoon (and his non-playing management team) and Khaldoon (and his playing management team).

It is not (IMO) as simplistic as some on here wish to portray it, i.e. 2 camps with someone needing to be blamed. Both groups report to Khaldoon and he will give direction, being likely to 1 group be successful on the pitch and the other ensure FFP compliancy
Mind you if you had said instead: bit “.......any club being banned or deducted points from whatsoever present or future competition.” Then my original thought would prevail – thank fuck for Khaldoon (and yes his 2 management teams)
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby mcfc1632 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:57 pm

Mancio4ever wrote:
mcfc1632 wrote:I think that an EPL FFP will be implemented as things currently stand - the EPL members of the old G14 cartel have the motivation because they are still the top revenue earners and [highlight]they have enough lackeys amongst the other chairmen of the EPL to probably carry the vote[/highlight]

But this idea highlighted would be the type of thing that might make the non-top 4 chairmen think twice. We could afford such an action, but the Scum would hate the idea and the Glazers could not afford it. There would be some mileage in that although I think that the 'challenge' idea remains (IMO) doomed to failure re UeFA - their decision on Besiktas has already been upheld.

On an aligned point, this news got me thinking about all this Mancni / Marwood stuff. I do not see the situation as a war, just 2 individuals acting to discharge the responsibilities they have been given by the man in change Khaldoon.

We can understand Mancini's as they are measured n results and points, but Marwood will have a set of outcomes to achieve as well and I am sure that he will have sought Khaldoon's guidance on whether he should be relenting etc. Anyone in any job would do the same rather than just stick in a hole - but people just feel the need to approtion blame - not aiming that comment at any individual.

I am pretty sure You will be, just, annoyed by this post and deem it as a confrontational go at Your convictions: I can only promise it's not.
You have just dropped down the answer to Your own considerations: which kind of professional position can provide (legally), along with other thingies, sporting influence? (to a wise, wealth Foreign Investor with an AAA business plan)



My apologies, I believe that English is not your 1st language - but is clealry better than any of my 2nd languages, but I read tis right and may not really have understood your main point.

Is it that you think that I am stating clearly on what my opinion is? Well of course and that is why I often Uuse IMO when writing - or was the point something else.

Equally, I have picked up a conviction (seemingly a real 'need') from you to place blame on individuals for club matters that have not progressed well - in your opinion.

Re the bit..........." which kind of professional position can provide (legally), along with other thingies, sporting influence?[/u][/i][/b] (to a wise, wealth Foreign Investor with an AAA business plan)" - well (again IMO) the answer is self-evident:

The Sheik's management team have assessed the situation and have (for the last 2 or 3 years) decided upon a course of compliance. This would appear to be a key part of their AAA business plan and likely based upon their experience of being a wise, wealthy Foreign Investor and consideration of the legal position.
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Slim » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:03 pm

I'm not sure they have the votes, any side not in the G14, being the four of them would not see their one chance at a future tycoon takeover dashed at the prospect. And I am not sure Chelsea would be onboard either being they are the smallest earner of the top 4 and spending like they have the combined earnings of all the clubs.
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby mcfc1632 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:07 pm

Slim wrote:I'm not sure they have the votes, any side not in the G14, being the four of them would not see their one chance at a future tycoon takeover dashed at the prospect. And I am not sure Chelsea would be onboard either being they are the smallest earner of the top 4 and spending like they have the combined earnings of all the clubs.



Perhaps not - perhaps so - it feels to me that they likely have - I will consider what the position of the 20 clubs are and post
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:39 pm

mcfc1632 wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:
mcfc1632 wrote:I think that an EPL FFP will be implemented as things currently stand - the EPL members of the old G14 cartel have the motivation because they are still the top revenue earners and [highlight]they have enough lackeys amongst the other chairmen of the EPL to probably carry the vote[/highlight]

But this idea highlighted would be the type of thing that might make the non-top 4 chairmen think twice. We could afford such an action, but the Scum would hate the idea and the Glazers could not afford it. There would be some mileage in that although I think that the 'challenge' idea remains (IMO) doomed to failure re UeFA - their decision on Besiktas has already been upheld.

On an aligned point, this news got me thinking about all this Mancni / Marwood stuff. I do not see the situation as a war, just 2 individuals acting to discharge the responsibilities they have been given by the man in change Khaldoon.

We can understand Mancini's as they are measured n results and points, but Marwood will have a set of outcomes to achieve as well and I am sure that he will have sought Khaldoon's guidance on whether he should be relenting etc. Anyone in any job would do the same rather than just stick in a hole - but people just feel the need to approtion blame - not aiming that comment at any individual.

I am pretty sure You will be, just, annoyed by this post and deem it as a confrontational go at Your convictions: I can only promise it's not.
You have just dropped down the answer to Your own considerations: which kind of professional position can provide (legally), along with other thingies, sporting influence? (to a wise, wealth Foreign Investor with an AAA business plan)



My apologies, I believe that English is not your 1st language - but is clealry better than any of my 2nd languages, but I read tis right and may not really have understood your main point.

Is it that you think that I am stating clearly on what my opinion is? Well of course and that is why I often Uuse IMO when writing - or was the point something else.

Equally, I have picked up a conviction (seemingly a real 'need') from you to place blame on individuals for club matters that have not progressed well - in your opinion.

Re the bit..........." which kind of professional position can provide (legally), along with other thingies, sporting influence?[/u][/i][/b] (to a wise, wealth Foreign Investor with an AAA business plan)" - well (again IMO) the answer is self-evident:

The Sheik's management team have assessed the situation and have (for the last 2 or 3 years) decided upon a course of compliance. This would appear to be a key part of their AAA business plan and likely based upon their experience of being a wise, wealthy Foreign Investor and consideration of the legal position.


I think they've settled on a course of apparent compliance, whilst continuing to spend money & fill the board with lawyers.
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:49 pm

mcfc1632 wrote:My apologies, I believe that English is not your 1st language - but is clealry better than any of my 2nd languages, but I read tis right and may not really have understood your main point.

Is it that you think that I am stating clearly on what my opinion is? Well of course and that is why I often Uuse IMO when writing - or was the point something else.

Equally, I have picked up a conviction (seemingly a real 'need') from you to place blame on individuals for club matters that have not progressed well - in your opinion.

Re the bit..........." which kind of professional position can provide (legally), along with other thingies, sporting influence?[/u][/i][/b] (to a wise, wealth Foreign Investor with an AAA business plan)" - well (again IMO) the answer is self-evident:

The Sheik's management team have assessed the situation and have (for the last 2 or 3 years) decided upon a course of compliance. This would appear to be a key part of their AAA business plan and likely based upon their experience of being a wise, wealthy Foreign Investor and consideration of the legal position.

As for my prefix, I, in my humble opinion (which is worth just a single vote), was pretty certain that You'd be annoyed.

For the records, not for You, already aware of the respect I pay for Your overall opinion (i.e. free of FFP drama creed and recent pollutions of Italian-like populism in the backing of an extremely well paid secretary): I do not think You have never misunderstood a thing in Your entire life, unless it was useful for Your stance.

I am nonetheless gratefull for Your polite attention and kind reply and, moved by the same polite spirit of kindness, I'd say:
a) yes, You are spot on. They will see the death of this great FC by this powerful weapon: FFPR.
b) yes, we don't need a sporting director as well as Cook and Soriano was and is redundat. We will be compliant thanks to saving made buying AJ, JM, JR, and now, maybe Maicon and Luiz (i.e. just to keep the greedy cunt quite), instead of Sanchez/Hazard; DeRossi/JMartinez.
And because I am genuinely polite despite sharing Your very same education, I subscribe Savic to full blame of the manager, as well as Boateng who has been sold back in an heartbeat with a limited profit.

Cheers, Fella.
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Slim » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:51 pm

Mancio4ever wrote:As for my prefix, I, in my humble opinion (which is worth just a single vote), was pretty certain that You'd be annoyed.

For the records, not for You, already aware of the respect I pay for Your overall opinion (i.e. free of FFP drama creed and recent pollutions of Italian-like populism in the backing of an extremely well paid secretary). I do not think You have never misunderstood a thing in Your entire life, unless it was useful for Your stance.

I am nonetheless gratefull for Your polite attention and kind reply and, moved by the same polite spirit of kindness, I'd say:
a) yes, You are spot on. They will see the death of this great FC by this powerful weapon: FFPR.
b) yes, we don't need a sporting director as well as Cook and Soriano was and is redundat. We will be compliant thanks to saving made buying AJ, JM, JR, and now, maybe Maicon and Luiz (i.e. just to keep the greedy cunt quite), instead of Sanchez/Hazard; DeRossi/JMartinez.
And because I am genuinely polite despite sharing Your very same education, I subscribe Savic to full blame of the manager, as well as Boateng who has been sold back in an heartbeat with a limited profit.

Cheers, Fella.


We got £15M for boateng, that was a 50% profit obviously minus wages and agents fees, but I think we did pretty well out of that deal.
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:59 pm

Slim wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:As for my prefix, I, in my humble opinion (which is worth just a single vote), was pretty certain that You'd be annoyed.

For the records, not for You, already aware of the respect I pay for Your overall opinion (i.e. free of FFP drama creed and recent pollutions of Italian-like populism in the backing of an extremely well paid secretary). I do not think You have never misunderstood a thing in Your entire life, unless it was useful for Your stance.

I am nonetheless gratefull for Your polite attention and kind reply and, moved by the same polite spirit of kindness, I'd say:
a) yes, You are spot on. They will see the death of this great FC by this powerful weapon: FFPR.
b) yes, we don't need a sporting director as well as Cook and Soriano was and is redundat. We will be compliant thanks to saving made buying AJ, JM, JR, and now, maybe Maicon and Luiz (i.e. just to keep the greedy cunt quite), instead of Sanchez/Hazard; DeRossi/JMartinez.
And because I am genuinely polite despite sharing Your very same education, I subscribe Savic to full blame of the manager, as well as Boateng who has been sold back in an heartbeat with a limited profit.

Cheers, Fella.


We got £15M for boateng, that was a 50% profit obviously minus wages and agents fees, but I think we did pretty well out of that deal.


Mate, I was deeming to be polite. i.e. I didn't want to stress very much the point that, IF/WHEN You buy valuable players, potentially accorded to the sporting vision of a winning manager, You may happen to be slightly disappointed with the sporting results and have to sell back for many reasons, but You will very rarely lose money.
You know how many shiteloads of former rags had been sold through times just because coming from the football vision of SLUR, the Winner...

Now I must shut up and relax a bit before to gain some deserved disliking,

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You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Rag_hater » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:01 pm

I am of the feeling that we will be close enough to breaking even this year or even making a small profit that all this FFP won't be an issue.We have had about 49% growth in the past two years so even if we achieve half of that we are well on target.
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby mcfc1632 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:12 pm

Rag_hater wrote:I am of the feeling that we will be close enough to breaking even this year or even making a small profit that all this FFP won't be an issue.We have had about 49% growth in the past two years so even if we achieve half of that we are well on target.



Agreed - due to the good management of Kahldoon and his team(s) we are going to be OK - but the doors will be closed to others

FFP in both THE EPL and UeFA give the old cartel what they want and whilst I am happy for us to be through due to the immense good fortune of attracting the Sheik and his team - still does not change the fact that it is a disgrace a) the rest are fucked and b) how these regs are still able to be portrayed by the scum and their cohorts as other than just a self-serving strcuture of protectionof the status quo
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby bluebananamilksheikh » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:49 pm

The FA are to nominate David Gill as their candidate for the Uefa executive.
Twatini would have a side-kick for is FFP plans

http://www.thefa.com/News/2012/jul/2012/aug/david-gill-uefa-executive.aspx


FA Board nominate David Gill as its candidate for UEFA Executive Committee.
The FA Board on Thursday agreed to nominate David Gill as its candidate for the upcoming UEFA Executive Committee membership election.

Gill, Chief Executive of Manchester United Football Club and an FA Board member, has been proposed ahead of next year’s elections at UEFA Congress in London.

Geoff Thompson, who has represented The FA on UEFA’s Executive Committee since 2000, steps down in May leaving a vacant position for an elected representative.
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:34 pm

mcfc1632 wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:I am of the feeling that we will be close enough to breaking even this year or even making a small profit that all this FFP won't be an issue.We have had about 49% growth in the past two years so even if we achieve half of that we are well on target.



Agreed - due to the good management of Kahldoon and his team(s) we are going to be OK - but the doors will be closed to others

FFP in both THE EPL and UeFA give the old cartel what they want and whilst I am happy for us to be through due to the immense good fortune of attracting the Sheik and his team - still does not change the fact that it is a disgrace a) the rest are fucked and b) how these regs are still able to be portrayed by the scum and their cohorts as other than just a self-serving strcuture of protectionof the status quo


It doesn't matter whether we comply or not, we are still fucked unless we either match Utd's income or find a loophole.

They will just spend more than us & leave us behind. That is what the whole thing is designed for.
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Rag_hater » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:29 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
mcfc1632 wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:I am of the feeling that we will be close enough to breaking even this year or even making a small profit that all this FFP won't be an issue.We have had about 49% growth in the past two years so even if we achieve half of that we are well on target.



Agreed - due to the good management of Kahldoon and his team(s) we are going to be OK - but the doors will be closed to others

FFP in both THE EPL and UeFA give the old cartel what they want and whilst I am happy for us to be through due to the immense good fortune of attracting the Sheik and his team - still does not change the fact that it is a disgrace a) the rest are fucked and b) how these regs are still able to be portrayed by the scum and their cohorts as other than just a self-serving strcuture of protectionof the status quo


It doesn't matter whether we comply or not, we are still fucked unless we either match Utd's income or find a loophole.

They will just spend more than us & leave us behind. That is what the whole thing is designed for.



Don't think that could happen.
We have already overtaken them regarding some income streams and started using the loopholes already.
E.g.
Premier League broadcasting payments for 2011/12
Arsenal £56.2m
Aston Villa £42.1m
Blackburn £40.3m
Bolton £40.6m
Chelsea £54.4m
Everton £48.9m
Fulham £47.4m
Liverpool £54.4m
Manchester City £60.6m
Manchester United £60.3m

Newcastle £54.2m
Norwich £45.6m
QPR £43.3m
Stoke £43.6m
Sunderland £44.4m
Swansea £45.9m
Tottenham £57.3m
West Brom £46.6m
Wigan £42.8m
Wolves £39.1m
Total £968.2m
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby failsworthblue » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:32 pm

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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:17 pm

I genuinely wish to apologise to every Mate on here - particularly Ted and 1632 - who may feel actually disturbed by my (and several OTHERS' tbf) steady, compulsive desire to have all key positions at the Club covered by TOP TRAINED, QUALIFIED, EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONALS in order to have the business plan set and led by best Chairman and Owner ever engaged in the whole Sport, undertaken and executed at the best possible set of abilities and skill.

I must apologize, because I am passionate, feel strongly this issue and sometimes I got wound up by... let's call it naivety.
I honestly think that I never happened to listen a more ludicrous, low rhetorical, than:
1) who criticizes the Chairman's secretary, slags the Chairman off, or, even worse, dumps the Chairman's plans, simply on the assumption that is the Chairman (sometimes more sophisticatedly defined "Chairman's non-playing management team") undertaking and dealing with all the tasks involved by the day by day running down of a World Leading Football Club of the 3rd Millennium!
I tried hard - with my limited language handling - to draw the attention on the fact that dr. Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak is an established voice at World Economic Forum, established member of the Elite Community of world leading businessmen, main Investor of the massive wealth of the Royal Crown of Abu Dhabi, CEO and Managing Director of several very demanding companies, hence he got a time schedule EXTREMELY CROWDED of business and personal engagements varying from hundreds of Board Meetings, Executive Board Meetings per year, business entertainments and relationships developments, and, hopefully few extremely deserved rest and vacations!
In light of the above, to think the He may have time and attention to make job descriptions other than that of THE CHAIRMAN is......... I don't want to disrespect anybody on here, because I do share the love of this forum.
Consequently, those tasks, even those well above the mere execitives, are NECESSARELLY DELEGATED to other SENIOR OFFICIALS, and here comes the bloody POINT: the more those officials, in charge of KEYS TASKS delegated by the Chairman in executing HIS BUSINESS PLAN, are professionally senior, the best, faster, efficiently, etc., MCFC will rise and flourish, including the compliance with FFPR (that I stll, personally, continue to consider not a serious issue, until Chelsea and PSG will continue to drive as they are doing, at least!)
2) COMPLIANCE with FFPR: Even the stinky arguments of the very clever German Chancellor and Hers more rigorous Hawks have never peaked the utter shame (in terms of Economic theory) of denying that there simply can't be RISE unless generating GROWTH.
Now, insofar I am aware, when football or other sport industries are concerned, there is only one steady means of growth: generating sporting SUCCESS. Success, like it or not, means multiplying of earnings from media rights, propagation of fan base, multiplying merchandising incomes, gates fees, matchdays incomes, etc. (besides of few other collateral benefits very well experienced around Old Trafford: media complacency in order to please more extended customers, hence more refereeing complacency, etc.). See the video of Vinnie just landed in Vietnam and try and figure out the impact of that excitement on this (current) year financial statements. I am already chuckling in the verge of reading the impact on the incomes growth on last year financial statements, mind, based "only!" on the boost of FA CUP and 3rd place success. Next financial term (that including the boost of the title and record breaking new SKY/BPL contract, mainly driven by the heartbreaking success by City) will report incomparably more growth. Such success driven growth has nothing to do with the "Chairman's non-playing management team" but, opposite, it's only due to the "Chairman's playing management team" and the players effectively chosen by the manager and who the "Chairman's non-playing management team" had been capable to sign (Yaya Toure, David Silva, Sergio Aguero, Edin Dzeko, Mario Balotelli, Gael Clichy and Samir Nasri) who have boosted the core of few professional players left by Sparky (The Skipper, Joe Hart, Micah Richards, Gareth Barry, Pablo Zabaleta), all widely improved and developed by the "Chairman's playing management team".
Those are facts/points, call them as You like, if are clear to a cretin like me, I very much doubt that they are not bright as the sunshine to a top businessman, supremely educated and experienced, like the City Chairman: that's why I am more than confident that, now that the attention of the Chairman has been drawn on the issue, he will sort it out in due course, with the lights turned off, as commanded by good manners of the business community.
There's nothing personal, it's only business: business commands growth to comply with FFP, and to grow City needs success, and to gets success City needs to implement and develop the potential of the TEAM, ACCORDED not CONTRASTING the football vision of the Manager who has started the wheel of success and growth.
To get the top is hard, to stay top is twice the difficult and commands, team building and top professionalism on every key operative and executive areas of the business. Having the best Owners and Chairman in the world, finally (and MEANINGFULLY!) a great CEO, a very good and ruthless manager helps, very much, but does not suffice if all that excellent projectuality is blocked and smoothed by a an executive level not up to the tasks! THAT'S THE POINT, and it has nothing to do with a childish or petulant will to deject a poor workman at the Club, who, by the way, is not a Welsh miner from the XIX century who couldn't feed his family otherwise. He is simply not fit to his job's description, not at City level, to say the very least and obvious.
Those - not me - who are seriously concerned of FFPR compliance, should regard at THE ISSUE twice the more concerned, not least than what they should have regarded the issue of the "ruthless, unfair and shameful" dismissal, not fit enough to deliver CL revenue and growth platform accorded with the timing commanded by FFPR.
In all truth, there is only one scenario - obviously according to my own personal opinion - which might still lead to FFPR troubles: a very unfortunate, long stop, involving together and at least 2 out of 3 of VK/JL, YT and/or DS, Should City had been able to acquire the service of De Rossi and Hazard, that scenario would no longer be cause of serious concern, while taking the figure of total investments made by the Owner relying on demands of the manager who has delivered FA CUP and LEAGUE TITLE in a row almost on par with those made upon Mark Hughes's.
It's my strong believe that If the "Chairman's non-playing management team" was completed with a senior sporting director (Aitor Berguistan, my dream candidate) the the "Chairman's playing management team" would have had Hazard and De Rossi to full complement of an almost perfect TEAM and concerns of "Rags having enough lackeys amongst the other chairmen of the EPL to carry the vote to establish anti-City rules" would lessen day after day since his appointment.
3) KHALDOON vs. MANCINI FICTIONAL POINT: Roberto Mancini is a City employe, selected, chased and appointed by the Chairman, who therefore, not different to all other Chairmen taking direct part of the executive board of management (as opposite to the so called Dual Model whereas the CEO presides over the executive board and the Chairman presides over the supervisory board), holds most part of the credit arising from success of his staff.
4) RAG-LIKE ARROGANCE: while I reckon there are still not more than 3 who seriously think that I am a Mancini fan rather than/before that a MCFC fan, I fear and suspect that some of those who, hopefully, will bother to evaluate this poor but demanding (to my limited language handling) effort, shall rise an eyebrow saying: "Ouch, I smell raglike arrogence!"
To all those fellow mancityfan.netters, I want to say:
I was born fan of a little Club (UC Sampdoria) and consequently had suffered the arrogance of the italian Rags and others wannabe Rags, all life long. I hated and hate the raglike attitude of arrogance and anti-sportsmanship all life long, and I honestly and humbly think that I do have very few to learn in this respect.
The opinion portrayed above is trimmed by the Club choice to elect steady sporting success as own benchmark: I would have felt equally happy and I would have equally enjoyed in case, probable if it wasn't for G14 Cheats, the Club would have chosen a longer trajectory, to be built on Accademy's Graduates and other youngster devellopment.
Because FFPR imposed a Club acceleration of the trajectory, now that City have climbed to the top, domestically wise at least, all I want is PROFESSIONALISM and SKILL not less than Soriano and Mancini level in every key area at the Club: failing that, it will be become increasingly hard to stay to the top, despite all investment that Owner and Chairman will continue to endeavour generously, unless the Club organization won't be completed with a professional able to convert that money into the few players strong enough to fit the MCFC bill.

I very much hope, that having spent half a night in drawing this poor spelled opinion will help to broaden the opinion of those who - genuinely - think that the desire to have top Officials in charge at every key dept of the Club is a witch hunt conceived to hav a dig at the next door poor chap.
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1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


In Roger Ailes/Donnie Drumpf's words: "don't know it for a fact, but many people say so..."
there must be some truth, then!
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Re: Proposals to Extend FFP to Premier League Itself

Postby bluebananamilksheikh » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:25 pm

Mancio4ever gets the award for the longest post of the year.
I grew a beard reading that!!!

Not sure if I agree with all your sentiments, but I admire your passion.
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