Scott Sinclair on Tuesday.

[The Italian Job]

I am really worried about this Maicon rumours. He is a replacement for Micah and i am not that sure i like it.

Of course, then is that thing that he wants Maicon and Micah on the right, Zabs with Gael on the left and Kolarov as a winger up front.

Weird times.

he's not a fucking replacement for Micah. He would be cover. And a versatile bench player at that i believe.

Esp. if he's like 5M or something as rumored. The guy's a proven winner, no?

cheers

Maicon hasn't played fullback for donkey's. Inter use wingback system. I assume if we really did sign him, which I don't believe we will, that we'd go 5-3-2 Wingback with Kolarov and Maicon as wingbacks. The idea makes me fucking shiver + we don't have centerbacks for that system. We tried that for a while against Liverpool with Milner on the right and Kolarov on the left and looked shite.

What are you talking about? They played with wing backs for a handful of games under Gasperrini, but now they're back to playing the usual back four.

Under Leonardo:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/02/14/ ... r-tactics/

Under Ranieri:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/01/15/ ... d-counter/
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/02/23/ ... the-match/

Under Stramaccioni:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/07/ ... the-right/


As for Maicon: 31 years old, questionable defending, Brazilian. No thanks.

[PeterParker]

I am really worried about this Maicon rumours. He is a replacement for Micah and i am not that sure i like it.

Of course, then is that thing that he wants Maicon and Micah on the right, Zabs with Gael on the left and Kolarov as a winger up front.

Weird times.

he's not a fucking replacement for Micah. He would be cover. And a versatile bench player at that i believe.

Esp. if he's like 5M or something as rumored. The guy's a proven winner, no?

cheers

Maicon hasn't played fullback for donkey's. Inter use wingback system. I assume if we really did sign him, which I don't believe we will, that we'd go 5-3-2 Wingback with Kolarov and Maicon as wingbacks. The idea makes me fucking shiver + we don't have centerbacks for that system. We tried that for a while against Liverpool with Milner on the right and Kolarov on the left and looked shite.

What are you talking about? They played with wing backs for a handful of games under Gasperrini, but now they're back to playing the usual back four.

Under Leonardo:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/02/14/ ... r-tactics/

Under Ranieri:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/01/15/ ... d-counter/
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/02/23/ ... the-match/

Under Stramaccioni:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/07/ ... the-right/


As for Maicon: 31 years old, questionable defending, Brazilian. No thanks.

How long did Gasperini stayed? 4 weeks?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I am really worried about this Maicon rumours. He is a replacement for Micah and i am not that sure i like it.

Of course, then is that thing that he wants Maicon and Micah on the right, Zabs with Gael on the left and Kolarov as a winger up front.

Weird times.

he's not a fucking replacement for Micah. He would be cover. And a versatile bench player at that i believe.

Esp. if he's like 5M or something as rumored. The guy's a proven winner, no?

cheers

Maicon hasn't played fullback for donkey's. Inter use wingback system. I assume if we really did sign him, which I don't believe we will, that we'd go 5-3-2 Wingback with Kolarov and Maicon as wingbacks. The idea makes me fucking shiver + we don't have centerbacks for that system. We tried that for a while against Liverpool with Milner on the right and Kolarov on the left and looked shite.

What are you talking about? They played with wing backs for a handful of games under Gasperrini, but now they're back to playing the usual back four.

Under Leonardo:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/02/14/ ... r-tactics/

Under Ranieri:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/01/15/ ... d-counter/
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/02/23/ ... the-match/

Under Stramaccioni:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/07/ ... the-right/


As for Maicon: 31 years old, questionable defending, Brazilian. No thanks.

Where do you see flat back four there? In every single one of those line ups he is placed just about in line with defensive midfielder! So he isn't being used as traditional fullback but wingback. Especially under Leonardo.

Edit. Did you actually read those things you posted? " the situation in midfield worked quite well – Inter’s more creative side of the pitch, Maicon and Houssine Kharja...... Juve’s wide midfielders picked up Inter’s side midfielders, and let the Inter full-backs have time on the ball". "On the other side, Javier Zanetti was the right-sided midfield player but played very narrow, more as a central midfielder, which allowed Maicon forward on the overlap.....Milan’s narrow three-man midfield had to shuttle across to that side of the pitch. Not only did this not really help the situation in the right-back zone, it also left them exposed on the opposite side of the pitch. Therefore, Inter could work the ball out to the right with two quick passes (left) – the first to Zanetti, who came inside to offer a short option, then he’d turn the ball onto Maicon on the overlap CHECK THE PIC AND SEE WHERE MAICON IS SITUATED"

[Ted Hughes]

I think Maicon would do ok at filling a few roles when required. I also think he'd produce more quality crosses than Walcott.

[The Italian Job]

I am really worried about this Maicon rumours. He is a replacement for Micah and i am not that sure i like it.

Of course, then is that thing that he wants Maicon and Micah on the right, Zabs with Gael on the left and Kolarov as a winger up front.

Weird times.

he's not a fucking replacement for Micah. He would be cover. And a versatile bench player at that i believe.

Esp. if he's like 5M or something as rumored. The guy's a proven winner, no?

cheers

Maicon hasn't played fullback for donkey's. Inter use wingback system. I assume if we really did sign him, which I don't believe we will, that we'd go 5-3-2 Wingback with Kolarov and Maicon as wingbacks. The idea makes me fucking shiver + we don't have centerbacks for that system. We tried that for a while against Liverpool with Milner on the right and Kolarov on the left and looked shite.

What are you talking about? They played with wing backs for a handful of games under Gasperrini, but now they're back to playing the usual back four.

Under Leonardo:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/02/14/ ... r-tactics/

Under Ranieri:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/01/15/ ... d-counter/
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/02/23/ ... the-match/

Under Stramaccioni:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/07/ ... the-right/


As for Maicon: 31 years old, questionable defending, Brazilian. No thanks.

Where do you see flat back four there? In every single one of those line ups he is placed just about in line with defensive midfielder! So he isn't being used as traditional fullback but wingback. Especially under Leonardo.

Edit. Did you actually read those things you posted? " the situation in midfield worked quite well – Inter’s more creative side of the pitch, Maicon and Houssine Kharja...... Juve’s wide midfielders picked up Inter’s side midfielders, and let the Inter full-backs have time on the ball". "On the other side, Javier Zanetti was the right-sided midfield player but played very narrow, more as a central midfielder, which allowed Maicon forward on the overlap.....Milan’s narrow three-man midfield had to shuttle across to that side of the pitch. Not only did this not really help the situation in the right-back zone, it also left them exposed on the opposite side of the pitch. Therefore, Inter could work the ball out to the right with two quick passes (left) – the first to Zanetti, who came inside to offer a short option, then he’d turn the ball onto Maicon on the overlap CHECK THE PIC AND SEE WHERE MAICON IS SITUATED"

Are you taking the piss? Yes, he may interpret his position offensively, but that position is full-back! Zonal Marking is always showing the players' actual positions on the pitch & be sure, if Inter is being pushed back, Maicon will find himself on the right of a back four, hence right full back position.

Here's a question for you: Did we play with wing backs last season?
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/01/ ... y-tactics/

Just fyi, this is a system that uses wing-backs:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/08/26/ ... -approach/

Look where they're positioned (around the halfway line). Now take a look at the Maicon's positions again.

[Beefymcfc]

Are people questioning Bobby's judgement?

[Ted Hughes]

Are people questioning Bobby's judgement?

It looks that way.


Tbh I actually think he'd be a great signing but I doubt Bob is interested.

Then again, it could be part of the deal that if Bob agrees to pick out some younger signings to fit in with club policy, he'll be indulged with a couple of old uns.

[Swales4ever]

I'm happy for us to walk away and make a stand on this one. Let's face it were hardly dying for him to come and if we can show everyone we won't be raped anymore and Sinclair is the target we make that point over I'm fine with that.

Still I anxiously await yet another thread turning into pointless marwood posting. I suppose he's just filled cookies role as the back room boo boy.

To me, when I thought about it this morning there were two possible scenarios, one: Swansea started taking the piss & changed their requirements so we told them to fuck off, two: we are stalling on Sinclair because there is someone else we would rather have.

All joking apart, these Walcott links are worrying me to death.

joke for joke Mate.
when You see a striker missing a sitter from 1 yard what do You make of it, next morning?
a) the crowd's taking the piss, so he show 'em they can fuck off (been doing it all career long)
b) his dad was an Hitchcock's lover, so he reminded of fond memories and decided to wait and deliver an injury time screamer
c) he's fucking dreadful. sack him.

and, re TW, You know I couldn't agree more, obviously.

[Slim]

Are you taking the piss? Yes, he may interpret his position offensively, but that position is full-back! Zonal Marking is always showing the players' actual positions on the pitch & be sure, if Inter is being pushed back, Maicon will find himself on the right of a back four, hence right full back position.

Here's a question for you: Did we play with wing backs last season?
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/01/ ... y-tactics/

Just fyi, this is a system that uses wing-backs:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/08/26/ ... -approach/

Look where they're positioned (around the halfway line). Now take a look at the Maicon's positions again.

I was thinking that as I read it, then I looked up and saw who was posting it. I don't think he's taking the piss mate, I think he's just our "special" friend around here.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Are you taking the piss? Yes, he may interpret his position offensively, but that position is full-back! Zonal Marking is always showing the players' actual positions on the pitch & be sure, if Inter is being pushed back, Maicon will find himself on the right of a back four, hence right full back position.

Here's a question for you: Did we play with wing backs last season?
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/01/ ... y-tactics/

Just fyi, this is a system that uses wing-backs:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/08/26/ ... -approach/

Look where they're positioned (around the halfway line). Now take a look at the Maicon's positions again.

I was thinking that as I read it, then I looked up and saw who was posting it. I don't think he's taking the piss mate, I think he's just our "special" friend around here.

I don't know that other feller but I wouldn't have thought You'd stoop that low. I really thought someone like you would've recognized that we started with wingbacks and switched to flat back four after about 30 mins on sunday.

Oh, and Clichy actually DID play wingback for most of the game against rags with Barry constantly dropping to cover. But Mancini prefers unbalanced formations anyway depending on opposition and their strengths. This, I'm sure, is too complicated for you. And probably for a feller who doesn't recognize how Maicon is being used (though I have no idea how they are planning to use him this season).

[Slim]

Are you taking the piss? Yes, he may interpret his position offensively, but that position is full-back! Zonal Marking is always showing the players' actual positions on the pitch & be sure, if Inter is being pushed back, Maicon will find himself on the right of a back four, hence right full back position.

Here's a question for you: Did we play with wing backs last season?
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/01/ ... y-tactics/

Just fyi, this is a system that uses wing-backs:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/08/26/ ... -approach/

Look where they're positioned (around the halfway line). Now take a look at the Maicon's positions again.

I was thinking that as I read it, then I looked up and saw who was posting it. I don't think he's taking the piss mate, I think he's just our "special" friend around here.

I don't know that other feller but I wouldn't have thought You'd stoop that low. I really thought someone like you would've recognized that we started with wingbacks and switched to flat back four after about 30 mins on sunday.

Oh, and Clichy actually DID play wingback for most of the game against rags with Barry constantly dropping to cover. But Mancini prefers unbalanced formations anyway depending on opposition and their strengths. This, I'm sure, is too complicated for you. And probably for a feller who doesn't recognize how Maicon is being used (though I have no idea how they are planning to use him this season).

Actually we've played a long while with overlapping fullbacks, de Jong and Barry...more de Jong in fact, always slot in behind when a fullback goes forward. However, this isn't about how we play, it's about how Inter play and Maicon may be used as a wingbackfor us, but in a back four as Inter have used there, you have two fullbacks and two centrehalves. The fullbacks always play slightly advanced to the centrehalves, in every formation ever used ever, and when you have a defensive midfielder he either slots in behind the fullback(de Jong) on moves into the centre of defence and one of the centrehalves move across(Barry). That's what I saw on those diagrams.

And one has to stoop low, you have gone from being a passionate informed debater to a fucking circus act around here. Quite frankly replying to you is again, me stooping low. Rather reply to Doomie TBH, he's a bit of a clown as well but at least he's funny.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Are you taking the piss? Yes, he may interpret his position offensively, but that position is full-back! Zonal Marking is always showing the players' actual positions on the pitch & be sure, if Inter is being pushed back, Maicon will find himself on the right of a back four, hence right full back position.

Here's a question for you: Did we play with wing backs last season?
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/01/ ... y-tactics/

Just fyi, this is a system that uses wing-backs:
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/08/26/ ... -approach/

Look where they're positioned (around the halfway line). Now take a look at the Maicon's positions again.

I was thinking that as I read it, then I looked up and saw who was posting it. I don't think he's taking the piss mate, I think he's just our "special" friend around here.

I don't know that other feller but I wouldn't have thought You'd stoop that low. I really thought someone like you would've recognized that we started with wingbacks and switched to flat back four after about 30 mins on sunday.

Oh, and Clichy actually DID play wingback for most of the game against rags with Barry constantly dropping to cover. But Mancini prefers unbalanced formations anyway depending on opposition and their strengths. This, I'm sure, is too complicated for you. And probably for a feller who doesn't recognize how Maicon is being used (though I have no idea how they are planning to use him this season).

Actually we've played a long while with overlapping fullbacks, de Jong and Barry...more de Jong in fact, always slot in behind when a fullback goes forward. However, this isn't about how we play, it's about how Inter play and Maicon may be used as a wingbackfor us, but in a back four as Inter have used there, you have two fullbacks and two centrehalves. The fullbacks always play slightly advanced to the centrehalves, in every formation ever used ever, and when you have a defensive midfielder he either slots in behind the fullback(de Jong) on moves into the centre of defence and one of the centrehalves move across(Barry). That's what I saw on those diagrams.

And one has to stoop low, you have gone from being a passionate informed debater to a fucking circus act around here. Quite frankly replying to you is again, me stooping low. Rather reply to Doomie TBH, he's a bit of a clown as well but at least he's funny.

Have you seen Inter play in past about two years? Maicon has about zero defensive duties. He mostly plays where winger plays and that makes him wingback in my books. If you watch them you'll see that he never lines up with rest of the defenders (or centerbacks mainly) but in line with defensive midfielder. You see in those diagrams (or whatever) that they mostly have in balanced line up with leftback playing little bit deeper and rightback (Maicon pushing forward) even when ball is not on his side. When traditional fullbacks in flat back four push forward it's almost without an exception when ball is on their side of the pitch with other fullback leaving behind with central defenders to provide three man cover. Especially under Ranieri (who has always been extremely adventurous manager) they didn't play like that at all but Maicon was pushing forward regardless.

I agree that this is about Maicon rather than how we line up. It was that other feller who brought it up. Mancini, for me, is a tactical genius who uses very complicated formations most of the time with certain players having certain responsibilities rather than just traditional line ups. It's almost never like "you two are fullbacks and...err...you do what fullbacks do". It's more like "Pablo lad, their winger can't cover for shit so you just push forward and Gael you stay bit deeper on this one because their winger has got tons of pace and they'll try to play balls behind you". And that's for every single player for every single game. And that creates line ups where sides of the line ups aren't mirrored. And honestly, sometimes it takes me 20 minutes from start of the game to fully realise our "line up" or more like orders that are given to every individual player.

[Slim]

Did you get football tactics for dummies the other day?

No manager is a tactical genius because he alters a role depending on who they're playing and what their matchup is...THEY ALL DO THAT.

What the fuck do you think a manager does? Sits around bitching about Marwood all week and hopes his players win on the weekend?

FFS, I'm just gonna stop replying, it's like the fucking kindegarten of football tactics and you are the one eating paste.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Did you get football tactics for dummies the other day?

No manager is a tactical genius because he alters a role depending on who they're playing and what their matchup is...THEY ALL DO THAT.

What the fuck do you think a manager does? Sits around bitching about Marwood all week and hopes his players win on the weekend?

FFS, I'm just gonna stop replying, it's like the fucking kindegarten of football tactics and you are the one eating paste.

Second round knock out!!!

[chips]

Apparantly a deal's been done for £8m. Reported by the daily fail.

[Ted Hughes]

I think the timing of this, the stall for a day just after Walcott becomes available, then the signing just after he agrees to stay at Arsenal, is very suss, as if we had a quick sniff.

I'm fucking glad I don't have to watch Walcott. This lad seems to have more of a brain to work with imo & can settle into our style.

Welcome.

[Slim]

Did you get football tactics for dummies the other day?

No manager is a tactical genius because he alters a role depending on who they're playing and what their matchup is...THEY ALL DO THAT.

What the fuck do you think a manager does? Sits around bitching about Marwood all week and hopes his players win on the weekend?

FFS, I'm just gonna stop replying, it's like the fucking kindegarten of football tactics and you are the one eating paste.

Second round knock out!!!

Well aren't you the liverpool of the MCF.net universe.

Fairly certain if you want to claim it as a win then we both lost, I may have lost, but you won through stupidity...well done you, now put your mittens back on Nancy before you hurt yourself.

[Hazy2]

I think the timing of this, the stall for a day just after Walcott becomes available, then the signing just after he agrees to stay at Arsenal, is very suss, as if we had a quick sniff.

I'm fucking glad I don't have to watch Walcott. This lad seems to have more of a brain to work with imo & can settle into our style.

Welcome.

The replacement for Scott, is better value Hernandez is better value and poss just as good.

[Duckman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2195492/Manchester-City-agree-8m-Scott-Sinclair-deal-Swansea.html

Manchester City finally seal £8m deal for Swansea winger Sinclair

Manchester City are set to sign Swansea winger Scott Sinclair after agreeing a deal with the Welsh side that could reach £8million including add-ons.

The player's move seemed to have stalled with Swansea wanting more than the £6.2million offered by the Etihad side.
But with only a year left on Sinclair's contract at the Liberty Stadium, chairman Huw Jenkins has agreed to let the player go.

Sinclair has agreed personal terms for his move, which many have suggested is not the wisest career wise as opportunities may be limited under Roberto Mancini.

Adam Johnson left for Sunderland in a £10m deal because he could not get enough game-time for City and Sinclair could find himself in a similar position.

Chelsea will net a £500,000 bonus when the move goes through because of a clause in the deal when Sinclair left for Swansea from Stamford Bridge.

He cost the Swans £1.5m in 2010 and Roman Abramovich's club are believed to be entitled to 10 percent of any profit from the player's next move.

More to follow.

[Blue Blood]

MEN and others mostly quoting he is coming in for 6.2 million.

Suggests City stuck to their guns and Swansea folded. Again well played City.