FFP Again

[john68]

Beefers,
Locally and domestically, you are right Mate but this is far far more than that and on a global scale, about keeping ahead of the race in a multi £Bn market.
The global football market is big now, 4.4Bn Euros in Europe alone according to the last Deloitte list. Global coverage means global markets and we are witnessing the race for clubs to tap into new markets all the time. Over the next 10 years, clubs will pull their bollox over their heads trying to maximise their profiles and incomes. America has barely been touched, Asia is ripe to be harvested and China is almost untapped.

Consider, the rags have worked tirelessly to develop many of these markets from almost zero. Always certain of their CL place and guaranteed wealth. Even with the encumberance of the Glazers, the rags were in little danger. Chelsea come along as a threat but the CL places are increased to keep them safe.

Suddenly, from nowhere, little City, (who they have ridiculed for years), threaten everything they have worked for and built. Remember the celebrations and relief as they knocked us out of the League Cup semi, scored those last minute goals in the recent derbies? Now they have lost the FA Cup semi, we have beaten them in both derbies, (6-1 at the their own middin), taken their title and removed their Community shield to the Etihad. That may be cause for disappointment in the swamp dressing room but think what effect that has had in their boardroom. Four CL places doesn't look quite so secure and never forget the Glazers are robbing their wallets whilst Mansour is filling ours. THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE FRIGHTENED TO DEATH.

Unless they can stop us by hook or by crook, it is City that will be marching around the World with our trophies and exploiting those new markets. It is City that will have used the rags hard work and capitalised on it.

[Beefymcfc]

Cheers John, I know ;-)

I've mentioned the part of gaining coverage off the back of the Rags a few times and everytime I think of it, it makes me smile. This was probably not lost on Mansour and to be able to harness their global power for our own means probably had a say in the decision making.

What was it, supposedly 600 million world wide tuning in to the Derby and even if they weren't all City or United fans, it would have had a dramatic affect on all those that watched. Pitch that with the last 5 minutes against QPR and you've got waivering fans hook line and sinker.

Now, due to our change in circumstance and last seasons events, we won't really have a problem with FFP at any level unless Gill and his cronies decide they will be on the board making judgement on what is 'Fair Price'. To counter that though, you won't see Scudamore, or Sky for that matter, backing too many controversial plans. They like it just as it is and you'll probably find they will have a major say in where it goes. Taking all the rewards whilst giving nothing back will not meet with their approval and I can see there being a little tension at the top table as Ferran Soriano and Bruce Buck take their seats aside the two big wigs of football advertising.

Bring it on.

[Tokyo Blue]

What was it, supposedly 600 million world wide tuning in to the Derby and even if they weren't all City or United fans, it would have had a dramatic affect on all those that watched. Pitch that with the last 5 minutes against QPR and you've got waivering fans hook line and sinker.

This is all very well but sadly your theory neglects to take the other 363 days of the year into account, when their media presence goes into overdrive to compensate for the fact that their team is inferior. Watch football focus on Saturday morning and you'll see what I mean.

It is going to take time.

[Beefymcfc]

What was it, supposedly 600 million world wide tuning in to the Derby and even if they weren't all City or United fans, it would have had a dramatic affect on all those that watched. Pitch that with the last 5 minutes against QPR and you've got waivering fans hook line and sinker.

This is all very well but sadly your theory neglects to take the other 363 days of the year into account, when their media presence goes into overdrive to compensate for the fact that their team is inferior. Watch football focus on Saturday morning and you'll see what I mean.

It is going to take time.

It's the seed mate.

[Tokyo Blue]

What was it, supposedly 600 million world wide tuning in to the Derby and even if they weren't all City or United fans, it would have had a dramatic affect on all those that watched. Pitch that with the last 5 minutes against QPR and you've got waivering fans hook line and sinker.

This is all very well but sadly your theory neglects to take the other 363 days of the year into account, when their media presence goes into overdrive to compensate for the fact that their team is inferior. Watch football focus on Saturday morning and you'll see what I mean.

It is going to take time.

It's the seed mate.

I agree, mate. But there is a big difference between an acorn and an oak tree.

[ronk]

When Mancini came in, we initially slowed our spending. We picked up Vieira on a free and Johnson cheap. We also started offloading players, e.g. Robinho.

We went mad at the time of the takeover, because we didn't have time. Some silly things happened like the "messy/Messi" thing.

A lot of the overpaying can be traced to Hughes though. Purchases like Santa-Cruz had no apparent strategy. We were in a rush at some points, but it was still careless. I'm not so sure that we were deliberately overspending as opposed to just being thick, especially when it came to wages.

Mancini hasn't tended to go through the same frenetic periods of signings with the exception of the end of this window.

FFP is loose enough that we'll be able to be competitive and comply, but it will change the market.

I think the initial policy was just to spend what it takes to be competitive. If that meant wasting some money, the owner didn't care so long as we got to top 6 quickly. Then it became about buying top quality. But the fact that the backbone of a cup & title winning side was built in that period means that it was an absolute success imo.

But the underlying theme from day one, has been the academy. That was the first thing Khaldoon did & it's still the long term priority.

So far, the plan through each phase has worked better than anyone could have dreamed & the tantalising rumours of what is to happen in & around the ground promise more of the same both for City & Manchester.

Sure there was an element of quick spending, but a lot of it was bad spending. Hughes-era post takeover, there were a lot of guys we bought and then moved on at a loss. This slowed our improvement, not speeded it up.

Some of it was reasonable, Hart was still young and Given was a quick improvement, but there were also wasted opportunities in terms of guys like Wayne Bridge. We only kept Barry, Lescott, Toure and Tevez.

Most of the money spent was wasted. Considering the current breakdown of our team, it was unnecessary to bring in some of these guys who didn't do a lot more than what we already had.

Immediately after the takeover, it made sense to reinforce in key areas that needed strengthening, then work on making long term signings. But Hughes showed that he couldn't handle a blank chequebook and we ended up going back to the start.

[AG7]

BREAKING NEWS right now on ESPN: UEFA is withholding prize money to 23 clubs as part of an investigation into FFP breaches.

Sky Sports News also reporting: UEFA confirm 23 clubs have had prize money from UEFA competition withheld pending investigation into FFP breaches.

[AG7]

Here's the official new release from UEFA's site:

Prize money for 23 clubs withheld
The UEFA Club Financial Control Body's investigatory chamber has announced that 23 clubs involved in 2012/13 UEFA club competitions have had their prize money temporarily withheld.

The UEFA Club Financial Control Body's (CFCB) investigatory chamber, chaired by former Belgian Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene, has today announced that 23 clubs involved in 2012/13 UEFA club competitions have seen the payment of their prize money temporarily withheld pending further investigation.

As part of the first measure of the financial fair play requirements included in the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations 2012, the clubs participating in 2012/13 UEFA club competitions had to provide information regarding the status of any overdue payables as at 30 June 2012. Following its last meeting in August 2012, the CFCB investigatory chamber has identified that important overdue payables towards other clubs, and/or towards employees or social/tax authorities existed in 23 cases.

These cases involve the following 23 clubs:
FK Borac Banja Luka (BIH)
FK Sarajevo (BIH)
FK Željezničar (BIH)
PFC CSKA Sofia (BUL)
HNK Hajduk Split (CRO)
NK Osijek (CRO)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP)
Málaga CF (ESP)
Maccabi Netanya FC (ISR)
FK Shkendija 79 (MKD)
Floriana FC (MLT)
FK Budućnost Podgorica (MNE)
FK Rudar Pjevlja (MNE)
Ruch Chorzów (POL)
Sporting Clube de Portugal (POR)
FC Dinamo Bucureşti (ROU)
FC Rapid Bucureşti (ROU)
FC Vaslui (ROU)
FC Rubin Kazan (RUS)
FK Partizan (SRB)
FK Vojvodina (SRB)
Eskişehirspor (TUR)
Fenerbahçe SK (TUR)

Consequently, the CFCB investigatory chamber will continue their investigations and request these clubs to provide an updated situation as of 30 September 2012 with regards to overdue payables towards other clubs, employees and social/tax authorities.

This conservatory measure will remain into force until all identified balances have been settled in full or until a final decision by the CFCB adjudicatory chamber is taken.

Link: http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/ ... s+withheld

[Chinners]

Uefa are a joke. I can't believe all the big clubs have adhered to this (especially most of the top Italian sides) .... picking on the weakest/poorest first, as usual ... the cents

[ashton287]

Uefa are a joke. I can't believe all the big clubs have adhered to this (especially most of the top Italian sides) .... picking on the weakest/poorest first, as usual ... the cents

Got to keep them in their place. Can't have the order upset.

Imagine a fair competition, everyone having the same chance of success. Woul be fucking ridiculous, never work.

[Tokyo Blue]

Uefa are a joke. I can't believe all the big clubs have adhered to this (especially most of the top Italian sides) .... picking on the weakest/poorest first, as usual ... the cents

The club that knocked us out is on that list.

overdue payables towards other clubs, employees and social/tax authorities.

Key words here. If you don't pay what you have promised to pay, you get into trouble. Nothing really new.

[Dameerto]

And still noone has been punished for spending too much.

[john68]

And still noone has been punished for spending too much.

Sorry mate, but you seem to getting a bit ahead of yourself. This is an entirely DIFFERENT part of the FFPR.
On the issue of spending/turnover, we are only now in the 1st accountable period. Their are 3 seasons accounts that will be considered, so any sanctions on the spending/turnover won't happen for another couple of years yet.

Some time ago, the clubs were instructed to ensure that all outstanding stuff like government tax bills etc were fully paid. This is the result of that. Though part of the FFPR, it is more to ensure that clubs who do hold debts are ON SCHEDULE with those debts. I think the "on schedule" bit is the important bit.

Though I will look at the terms more closely, I believe it means that government tax payments are up to date and monies owing to other clubs for transfers etc are not behind schedule. Tokyo is bang on with that.

Chinners,
I know it's hard mate but put your natural cynicism back in the cupboard Pal. I would think there are some reasonably big clubs like Atletico on that list.

[Dameerto]

And still noone has been punished for spending too much.

Sorry mate, but you seem to getting a bit ahead of yourself. This is an entirely DIFFERENT part of the FFPR.
On the issue of spending/turnover, we are only now in the 1st accountable period. Their are 3 seasons accounts that will be considered, so any sanctions on the spending/turnover won't happen for another couple of years yet.

Some time ago, the clubs were instructed to ensure that all outstanding stuff like government tax bills etc were fully paid. This is the result of that. Though part of the FFPR, it is more to ensure that clubs who do hold debts are ON SCHEDULE with those debts. I think the "on schedule" bit is the important bit.

Though I will look at the terms more closely, I believe it means that government tax payments are up to date and monies owing to other clubs for transfers etc are not behind schedule. Tokyo is bang on with that.

Chinners,
I know it's hard mate but put your natural cynicism back in the cupboard Pal. I would think there are some reasonably big clubs like Atletico on that list.

I'm not getting ahead of myself at all, just highlighting that the anti-City regulations haven't kicked in yet and that they're still at the phase of trying to look tough by kicking the smallfry. I'm well aware of where we are in terms of being accountable.

[Duckman]

And still noone has been punished for spending too much.

Sorry mate, but you seem to getting a bit ahead of yourself. This is an entirely DIFFERENT part of the FFPR.
On the issue of spending/turnover, we are only now in the 1st accountable period. Their are 3 seasons accounts that will be considered, so any sanctions on the spending/turnover won't happen for another couple of years yet.

Some time ago, the clubs were instructed to ensure that all outstanding stuff like government tax bills etc were fully paid. This is the result of that. Though part of the FFPR, it is more to ensure that clubs who do hold debts are ON SCHEDULE with those debts. I think the "on schedule" bit is the important bit.

Though I will look at the terms more closely, I believe it means that government tax payments are up to date and monies owing to other clubs for transfers etc are not behind schedule. Tokyo is bang on with that.

Chinners,
I know it's hard mate but put your natural cynicism back in the cupboard Pal. I would think there are some reasonably big clubs like Atletico on that list.

dont Real and Barca owe tax money to Spain?

[Dameerto]

dont Real and Barca owe tax money to Spain?

Real were in debt by 170m euros towards the end of last season but were upto date on their tax, Barca were 364m euros in debt with 48m of it being owed in tax (according to Sam Wallace, and before any transfer dealings and Spanish government wiping-the-slate-clean actions)

[Beefymcfc]

This social/network tax became a big thing due to Spain having to rally round Europe for more money while they were talking about exempting football clubs from what they owed.

I've still seen no confirmation of whether they wrote it off, has anybody else? Otherwise, why haven't the likes of Real and Barca come to the fore?

[carl_feedthegoat]

dont Real and Barca owe tax money to Spain?

Real were in debt by 170m euros towards the end of last season but were upto date on their tax, Barca were 364m euros in debt with 48m of it being owed in tax (according to Sam Wallace, and before any transfer dealings and Spanish government wiping-the-slate-clean actions)

How the fuck are barca in debt when nearly all their players come from the youth set up? they must make billions on merchandise and home gates etc plus CL and the like......I dont understand.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

dont Real and Barca owe tax money to Spain?

Real were in debt by 170m euros towards the end of last season but were upto date on their tax, Barca were 364m euros in debt with 48m of it being owed in tax (according to Sam Wallace, and before any transfer dealings and Spanish government wiping-the-slate-clean actions)

How the fuck are barca in debt when nearly all their players come from the youth set up? they must make billions on merchandise and home gates etc plus CL and the like......I dont understand.

Their massive wage bill would be one of the factors. They are currently the second highest salary payers in football after Real.

Here's Swiss Ramble's latest on FFP

http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/ ... n.html?m=1

( sorry if already posted )

[Yffi_88]

And i bet they leave everything on 'Stand-by' when they lock up...