Mancini

[Beefymcfc]

Europe is what will get Bobby sacked in the future if he doesnt work out the code to crack it.

Bobby has the code to crack it....just like he had the code to crack winning the Prem.

Breathe.

He just needs to get out of the groups, that's a step in the right direction.

What bemuses me is how he changes the defence for CL games. I may be wrong but I don't think either Micah or Cliche played in last years games, this year we've dropped 2 PL winning defenders.

Like I say, I could be wrong but it seems crazy to me that we'd change a critical part of our team when playing in Europe.

Peoples misconceptions are that we have a big squad....because we're city. For all we know, our defence could have a few knocks, one of them being Lescott? Maybe Bobby has thought that he wasn't going to get a result in Madrid and decided to rest Lescott, because he was announced in the initial line up? Maybe he thinks a frenzied game against Arsenal isnt what Nastisic needs at present, but its the card dealt in the second half in Madrid (with which he did well IMO)

Of the two games this week Arsenal is the most important (IMO) because we need the three points, and anything less at home will be seen as a poor result.

Whilst the manner of the result in Madrid was disappointing, I would have taken anything of awin, draw or at worst one goal defeat going into the game. We CAN beat them by two goals against them at home so all is not lost. (Yes it could have been much worse!)

Fair post mate but there are a lot of if's in that first paragraph. If Lescott really had a problem then he shouldn't have been on the bench. As for squad, I believe that with our additions we have one of the best in the Prem, maybe the world.

I wasn't actually disappointed with the result, just the manner in which it happened. Forget the first half for me, you could say that Mancini/the players were wrong to have us so deep but we got through that so it's irrelevent. It's when we went ahead that disappointed. For a team that is supposedly based on a very defensive system we actually looked like a Hughes team. Exciting going forward, depressing in defence.

It could've been a lot lot worse mate, Hart may have not pulled off some heroics in the first. As it is, I'm not disappointed overall, we took one of thee best teams (in my opinion, the best) to the wire away from home.

We have arrived.

[freshie]

Yes, Bobby Manc and his persistant fannying about with the formation lost us the game, and gave us a lack lustre start to the league campaign. Last season with the 4-2-3-1 formation we won the championship by scoring the most goals and conceding the least in the league, so why he would alter such a successful formula is beyond me.

Having said that, it seems to have finally sunk in that pushing Yaya into a more attacking role from the outset is the way forward which is encouraging. I just don't see why he has so much faith in Gareth Barry???? I've never rated him. He's clumsy in possession and even worse when trying to win the ball back.

Sorry but that's rubbish regarding Barry. I've lost count of the number of times I left the etihad last season saying that Barry played a blinder. He just does the simple things so well that they go unnoticed and provides the platform from which we build and decimate the opposition. My only criticism is that Tuesday nights game was too soon for a player that had only played one game since such a long lay off. When fully fit Barry is a vital member of the first team simply for the way that he harasses the opposition to break up their attacks and win the ball back for us which allows our more creative players to set up yet another attack. His efficiency in possession is a skill to behold and his value to us is undoubted

[Beefymcfc]

Yes, Bobby Manc and his persistant fannying about with the formation lost us the game, and gave us a lack lustre start to the league campaign. Last season with the 4-2-3-1 formation we won the championship by scoring the most goals and conceding the least in the league, so why he would alter such a successful formula is beyond me.

Having said that, it seems to have finally sunk in that pushing Yaya into a more attacking role from the outset is the way forward which is encouraging. I just don't see why he has so much faith in Gareth Barry???? I've never rated him. He's clumsy in possession and even worse when trying to win the ball back.

I'm the opposite, I've always rated Gaz Baz and think he's just one of those players who reads the defensive play better than anyone I've seen. The problem on Tuesday is that he'd only had 30 minutes of football this season after being out for 4 months. That's how much these manager's rate him.

PS. Does Barry use 'Back to Black' on his head, that colour just doesn't seem right!

[carl_feedthegoat]

I don't think Silva was having a poor game. He was just getting booted in the air every time he got the ball.

That was my impression aswell which made him look as though he was having a poor game; I think that was Mourinho's plan. It's telling that as soon as we subbed Dave, they subbed Essien for a far more attacking player. Essien had done the job and it opened up the game for them and us.

Also, doing a straight swap for Maicon with Zab's with no change to back him up seemed to be very naive. Tranny flew out of the blocks but then seemed to be squeezed out only to come back into it once we introduced Zab's. Getting up to speed takes 10-15 minutes at the best of times but to then be faced by Tranny, will just rip your heart out.

Dont agree mate , Zabba was watching the whole match and knew how RM was playing , he should have been spot on as soon as he came on.
He was as much to blame for that goal as Vinnie was.

I agree mate, more so because he let him in. However, you know as someone who's played football that it's not as simple as watching a players movement. Tranny will turn you inside out with the drop of an eyebrow, never mind a shoulder, and he was allowed to hammer Zab's from the very second he came on without any back-up.

Vinnie's attempted header/leave was just strange, unless that is, that ball did the trademark Tranny dip that we've seen him do so many times.

I have read Vinnies statement on what tranny did so I will have to take his word for it that the ball was a top spin...vinnies not a coward and will put his face in there if required as he has done time and time before so maybe he had a point.
I was pissed off with him like you wouldnt believe after the match and wanted him slaughtered but now Ive calmed down the guy shouldnt be dropped as he is class and he will get his mojo back......but as for lescott............................................................................................................................................................

[getdressedmctavish]

I'll say it again. If Allison could work out how to neutralize Best 40 years ago so he never did fuck all against us in his pomp, why cant half a dozen feckin coaches at City do it now. It isn't rocket science. The full back shows Tranny the outside and if he comes inside there is someone(it should have been Milner)waiting for him. What feckin role was Garcia given? He was never anywhere to be seen.Very poor tactical organisation, yet again. Much like at Napoli last year where we went gung ho versus a team who play on the break.Great effort by some of the players, Ya Ya in particular, and we lost to two great strikes, but for their first goal they had been doubling up on Maicon for the whole of the game and we still did nothing about it. But ofcourse Bob can't be dropping schoolboy bollocks cos we won the league and he's sarcastic.And why is he bollocking Hart when he kept us in the game despite Mancini's failure to plan for the Tranny.All the bloke seems intent on doing at the moment is pissing players off.

[Beefymcfc]

I don't think Silva was having a poor game. He was just getting booted in the air every time he got the ball.

That was my impression aswell which made him look as though he was having a poor game; I think that was Mourinho's plan. It's telling that as soon as we subbed Dave, they subbed Essien for a far more attacking player. Essien had done the job and it opened up the game for them and us.

Also, doing a straight swap for Maicon with Zab's with no change to back him up seemed to be very naive. Tranny flew out of the blocks but then seemed to be squeezed out only to come back into it once we introduced Zab's. Getting up to speed takes 10-15 minutes at the best of times but to then be faced by Tranny, will just rip your heart out.

Dont agree mate , Zabba was watching the whole match and knew how RM was playing , he should have been spot on as soon as he came on.
He was as much to blame for that goal as Vinnie was.

I agree mate, more so because he let him in. However, you know as someone who's played football that it's not as simple as watching a players movement. Tranny will turn you inside out with the drop of an eyebrow, never mind a shoulder, and he was allowed to hammer Zab's from the very second he came on without any back-up.

Vinnie's attempted header/leave was just strange, unless that is, that ball did the trademark Tranny dip that we've seen him do so many times.

I have read Vinnies statement on what tranny did so I will have to take his word for it that the ball was a top spin...vinnies not a coward and will put his face in there if required as he has done time and time before so maybe he had a point.
I was pissed off with him like you wouldnt believe after the match and wanted him slaughtered but now Ive calmed down the guy shouldnt be dropped as he is class and he will get his mojo back......but as for lescott............................................................................................................................................................

Cheers mate, I didn't know Vinnie had said that, just guessed as we all know Tranny can give the ball an orgasm. It actually looked like it at the time although Vince could be giving excuses. He did look bemused though; 'What the fuck happened there'!

[Beefymcfc]

I'll say it again. If Allison could work out how to neutralize Best 40 years ago so he never did fuck all against us in his pomp, why cant half a dozen feckin coaches at City do it now. It isn't rocket science. The full back shows Tranny the outside and if he comes inside there is someone(it should have been Milner)waiting for him. What feckin role was Garcia given? He was never anywhere to be seen.Very poor tactical organisation, yet again. Much like at Napoli last year where we went gung ho versus a team who play on the break.Great effort by some of the players, Ya Ya in particular, and we lost to two great strikes, but for their first goal they had been doubling up on Maicon for the whole of the game and we still did nothing about it. But ofcourse Bob can't be dropping schoolboy bollocks cos we won the league and he's sarcastic.And why is he bollocking Hart when he kept us in the game despite Mancini's failure to plan for the Tranny.All the bloke seems intent on doing at the moment is pissing players off.

You sound angry there mate, chill your boots. Mancini got it wrong with Tranny but maybe it was a mindgame thing telling our players they were better than world class - Universal ;-)

[carl_feedthegoat]

Just for you Beefy,



But Kompany, who appeared to move out of the way as Hart failed to save Cristiano Ronaldo's late winner, said: "It wasn't Joe's fault. It floated past everyone, the way it went down. It's one of those things. There's not many players in the world who can do that but unfortunately for us he is one of them."

Kompany offered his explanation of Ronaldo's 90th-minute winner. "It just floated. Joe initially thought I might have been able to get it. But there was no chance. It was [to] the side of me and it just floated. I think he's one of the only players that can do that. He's got that skill.

"There's nothing much you can do once he has the chance to take that shot, all you can do is try and close down the space to do that. We hoped that moment would not have come. It happens sometimes - he has shots like that. He was too quick, the way it floated. By the time you got in position it's already gone."

[Beefymcfc]

Just for you Beefy,

But Kompany, who appeared to move out of the way as Hart failed to save Cristiano Ronaldo's late winner, said: "It wasn't Joe's fault. It floated past everyone, the way it went down. It's one of those things. There's not many players in the world who can do that but unfortunately for us he is one of them."

Kompany offered his explanation of Ronaldo's 90th-minute winner. "It just floated. Joe initially thought I might have been able to get it. But there was no chance. It was [to] the side of me and it just floated. I think he's one of the only players that can do that. He's got that skill.

"There's nothing much you can do once he has the chance to take that shot, all you can do is try and close down the space to do that. We hoped that moment would not have come. It happens sometimes - he has shots like that. He was too quick, the way it floated. By the time you got in position it's already gone."

Feckin' amazing. We've seen them hit by him before and now seems he's having us after he's left the Rags. Amazing player, one that I hate more after this week; if it was possible.

Edit: Cheers mate.

[Blue in the face]

Just for you Beefy,

But Kompany, who appeared to move out of the way as Hart failed to save Cristiano Ronaldo's late winner, said: "It wasn't Joe's fault. It floated past everyone, the way it went down. It's one of those things. There's not many players in the world who can do that but unfortunately for us he is one of them."

Kompany offered his explanation of Ronaldo's 90th-minute winner. "It just floated. Joe initially thought I might have been able to get it. But there was no chance. It was [to] the side of me and it just floated. I think he's one of the only players that can do that. He's got that skill.

"There's nothing much you can do once he has the chance to take that shot, all you can do is try and close down the space to do that. We hoped that moment would not have come. It happens sometimes - he has shots like that. He was too quick, the way it floated. By the time you got in position it's already gone."

Feckin' amazing. We've seen them hit by him before and now seems he's having us after he's left the Rags. Amazing player, one that I hate more after this week; if it was possible.

Edit: Cheers mate.

There was a program on ESPN I think where they done all sorts of tests on him, with loads of sensors all over his body and head and about twenty cameras recording what he did with a ball. Free kicks and dribbling, and the conclusion they came to was that he done everything without thinking. In other words, he didn't plan what he was going to do, it just came naturally. So, if he doesn't always know where hes going then its pretty impossible for anybody else to.

They even turned the lights off when a ball was crossed and he headed most balls into a goal in the dark(maybe should be in a circus).

[Ted Hughes]

Makes you wonder why we made no effort to stop him from cutting in & shooting & exactly what threat Vinny was defending us from with his position in front of Hart. Aliens materialising suddenly close to our goal perhaps ?

Shite.

[Beefymcfc]

Makes you wonder why we made no effort to stop him from cutting in & shooting & exactly what threat Vinny was defending us from with his position in front of Hart. Aliens materialising suddenly close to our goal perhaps ?

Shite.

Fucking little green men. You're off it you.

[PALUS]

Just for you Beefy,



But Kompany, who appeared to move out of the way as Hart failed to save Cristiano Ronaldo's late winner, said: "It wasn't Joe's fault. It floated past everyone, the way it went down. It's one of those things. There's not many players in the world who can do that but unfortunately for us he is one of them."

Kompany offered his explanation of Ronaldo's 90th-minute winner. "It just floated. Joe initially thought I might have been able to get it. But there was no chance. It was [to] the side of me and it just floated. I think he's one of the only players that can do that. He's got that skill.

"There's nothing much you can do once he has the chance to take that shot, all you can do is try and close down the space to do that. We hoped that moment would not have come. It happens sometimes - he has shots like that. He was too quick, the way it floated. By the time you got in position it's already gone."

What a bunch of crap, if this is the statement of the VC. , So it was cruise missile, you can see that that Kompany avoid thinking will give the ball to catch the Hart and Hart thought the other way around, and when he saw(Hart) that the ball goes to him it was too late, no one can convince me that Kompany could throw on that ball or that it was not him there Hart would be defended, it was a mistake to and accept it and stop the crap that was amazing shoot.
PS Zabba is to blame as much as Kompany, what he meant by going directly into Tranny knowing how Tranny is explosive, errors, mistakes simply children fear.

[zuricity]

What a bunch of crap, if this is the statement of the VC. , So it was cruise missile, you can see that that Kompany avoid thinking will give the ball to catch the Hart and Hart thought the other way around, and when he saw(Hart) that the ball goes to him it was too late, no one can convince me that Kompany could throw on that ball or that it was not him there Hart would be defended, it was a mistake to and accept it and stop the crap that was amazing shoot.
PS Zabba is to blame as much as Kompany, what he meant by going directly into Tranny knowing how Tranny is explosive, errors, mistakes simply children fear.

you are correct Palus

[Beefymcfc]

What a bunch of crap, if this is the statement of the VC. , So it was cruise missile, you can see that that Kompany avoid thinking will give the ball to catch the Hart and Hart thought the other way around, and when he saw(Hart) that the ball goes to him it was too late, no one can convince me that Kompany could throw on that ball or that it was not him there Hart would be defended, it was a mistake to and accept it and stop the crap that was amazing shoot.
PS Zabba is to blame as much as Kompany, what he meant by going directly into Tranny knowing how Tranny is explosive, errors, mistakes simply children fear.

you are correct Palus

So, Vinnie's to blame.

[PALUS]

What a bunch of crap, if this is the statement of the VC. , So it was cruise missile, you can see that that Kompany avoid thinking will give the ball to catch the Hart and Hart thought the other way around, and when he saw(Hart) that the ball goes to him it was too late, no one can convince me that Kompany could throw on that ball or that it was not him there Hart would be defended, it was a mistake to and accept it and stop the crap that was amazing shoot.
PS Zabba is to blame as much as Kompany, what he meant by going directly into Tranny knowing how Tranny is explosive, errors, mistakes simply children fear.

you are correct Palus

So, Vinnie's to blame.

i dont like to lame individuals but for 3 goal i can blame 3 players , Zabba who watch all game and in last attack like child give Tranny wath he needs he was like bull with red flag that try to take the ball ,in that fashion going direct in hes body, in last second of the game was stupid and us result we all see wath Tranny did to him there ,second one is definitly Kompany he sould like capiten like world star secure that by any way karate kid i dont care u just dont duck there and 3 who ever was closest player to Zabba to duble Tranny.So yes that three players are make child like mistake but they are hardy guilty for defet.

[Beefymcfc]

What a bunch of crap, if this is the statement of the VC. , So it was cruise missile, you can see that that Kompany avoid thinking will give the ball to catch the Hart and Hart thought the other way around, and when he saw(Hart) that the ball goes to him it was too late, no one can convince me that Kompany could throw on that ball or that it was not him there Hart would be defended, it was a mistake to and accept it and stop the crap that was amazing shoot.
PS Zabba is to blame as much as Kompany, what he meant by going directly into Tranny knowing how Tranny is explosive, errors, mistakes simply children fear.

you are correct Palus

So, Vinnie's to blame.

i dont like to lame individuals but for 3 goal i can blame 3 players , Zabba who watch all game and in last attack like child give Tranny wath he needs he was like bull with red flag that waqth Tranny did to him there second one is definitly Kompany he sould like capiten like world star secure that by any way karate kid i dont care u just dont duck there and 3 who ever was closest player to Zabba to duble Tranny.

Without sounding aggresive, are you also calling Vincent Kompany a liar?

[dazby]

Garcia is getting a free ride here. He had a poor game.

[PALUS]

What a bunch of crap, if this is the statement of the VC. , So it was cruise missile, you can see that that Kompany avoid thinking will give the ball to catch the Hart and Hart thought the other way around, and when he saw(Hart) that the ball goes to him it was too late, no one can convince me that Kompany could throw on that ball or that it was not him there Hart would be defended, it was a mistake to and accept it and stop the crap that was amazing shoot.
PS Zabba is to blame as much as Kompany, what he meant by going directly into Tranny knowing how Tranny is explosive, errors, mistakes simply children fear.

you are correct Palus

So, Vinnie's to blame.

i dont like to lame individuals but for 3 goal i can blame 3 players , Zabba who watch all game and in last attack like child give Tranny wath he needs he was like bull with red flag that waqth Tranny did to him there second one is definitly Kompany he sould like capiten like world star secure that by any way karate kid i dont care u just dont duck there and 3 who ever was closest player to Zabba to duble Tranny.

Without sounding aggresive, are you also calling Vincent Kompany a liar?

Do u have eyes mate look i was watchin that goal number of times. Kompany duck, and i m sure he was thinking Hart is on it its simply confusion and if u want to call him a liar, call him i call it wath it is ,rookie mistake ,and if he can acept hes responsebilty there thats not my fault . Shoot pass between two of them in half metar from each other so tell me witch fuckin missile could do that ,if there was no mistake if he was not sure where is ball going why duck, throw your whole body on ball path, it cant go araund u. If he had time to duck , thats not even so strong shoot so he could have better reaction and by the way that is not hes only mistake that night.
U can call him wath u want i dont want call him a liar but i know that he knows he could do better and normaly he would not say "yap it was my fault" he has carear to think off , British press would make a mess from statment like that .

[PALUS]

Garcia is getting a free ride here. He had a poor game.

Agree for defensive player i did not see the guy .