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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby andeez nutz » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:08 pm

this is a pretty good article about the overall growth of 'soccer' in the USA..
no mentions of City in this one, but i think all of the American posters here can agree or relate to some of the article.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/nam ... 62?cc=5901


The future of American soccer will be determined by one man. And, perhaps surprisingly, he is neither Jurgen Klinsmann, Clint Dempsey nor Ian Darke.

Rich Luker, a 59-year-old baseball-loving social scientist based in North Carolina, is the brains behind the ESPN Sports Poll, the complex database that recently pronounced soccer as America's second-most popular sport for those age 12-24, outstripping the NBA, MLB and college football. Luker is also the man who discovered that three soccer players -- Lionel Messi (16th), iconic veteran David Beckham (20th), and Real Madrid's Cristiano Ronaldo (24th) -- rank among the 50 most popular athletes in America. "Unbelievably, [Lionel] Messi ranks ahead of Dwyane Wade," Luker marveled. "Only two baseball players, Albert Pujols and Derek Jeter, are ahead of him."

Luker founded the Sports Poll in 1994 when he realized the industry lacked a systematic intelligence service despite the billions of dollars poured into it. The researcher quickly partnered with ESPN to track the minutiae of fan habits surrounding 32 major sports, hoping to understand how Americans watch, play, buy and express their fandom.

Luker is a gregarious chap whose passion for his craft is self-evident. Even after 30 years in the business, the researcher still sounds as if he is in the midst of his first "Eureka moment" as he litters his conversation with such off-the-cuff nuggets as "lack of discretionary spending power means that a larger proportion of Americans would now rather watch games on television than in person," or "since 2007, the only age group that has increased its interests in sports are males over the age of 45. Everyone else is down."

Granted, Luker's terrain, the United States, is exceptional. "We live in a country that experiences a pent-up need for connection between family and friends, and sport has become the dominant way to do that," he said.

His studies have revealed that 85 percent of Americans identify themselves as sports fans, and the social scientist said with a giddy tone of wonder, "Most cultures have two, sometimes three dominant sports -- the United States has 12."



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The U.S. soccer audience is also unique in Luker's eyes. "It is a true community. The only group that comes close are college sports fans or followers of the Grateful Dead. They embrace soccer as a communal lifestyle as opposed to a personal experience or a community that only exists on gameday."

Luker's analysis has revealed the reason soccer fandom tends to be expressed on a 24/7 basis. "Soccer was originally an expression of national identity in hotbeds like the United Kingdom or Brazil," he said. "So that seed has been imported and sown here in the United States."

However, Luker also believes soccer is underperforming. "It's a sport that should have been doing well a long time ago." The social scientist is well positioned to make that claim. He partnered with MLS back when it was planning the launch of the league in 1994. "We discovered 30 percent of American households contained someone playing soccer. The only game that comes close to that massive number is baseball."

Through decades of study, Luker was able to pinpoint the exact moment soccer's built-in early advantage traditionally evaporated. "The game was massive up to the age of 13, when sport was all about bonding with male peers, but in middle school, it became all about cross-bonding with other genders and high school football shot right to the top," he said. "You simply can't beat the social lubrication of the homecoming football game."

Soccer's social perception was further weakened by the sport's stigmatization in the 1990s. "Middle school kids were seen to lack the guts to play one of the big sports -- baseball, football, or basketball -- preferring to play soccer, the sport their moms were pushing."

But the sporting tectonic plates have shifted. America's cultural diversification, increasingly globalized outlook, and widespread access to the Internet all have benefitted soccer more than the other more traditional American sports. "In the last two years, Americans have been exposed to elite soccer on a very regular basis, which has allowed us to appreciate the sport and develop a savvy about it in a way we could not before," Luker said.

The impact of these factors has been as powerful as they are simple. "Kids growing up today gain cachet and social currency by knowing about the sport," Luker said. The old stigma has fallen away. Pride and esteem have become attached to the game for the first time as Americans have collectively undergone a "now we understand what it is all about" moment. It is only a matter of time 'til we see soccer take off in a big way."

By way of context, Luker rattles off statistics about soccer's competitors. "Twenty-five percent of Americans are avid NFL fans first and foremost, 14.4 percent are basketball fans, and MLB comes third with 13.9 percent."

Soccer's avid fanbase is 10 percent, which does not sound like much until you realize that is 33 million people. "Based on the way it is trending, I believe global soccer will soon be four or five times bigger than it is today, and MLS's fanbase will triple or quadruple," he said. For those who do not believe, Luker is keen to underline that change can happen fast. "In 1994, MLB was as popular as the NFL. This stuff can shift quickly and right now, soccer is like a rocket ship on the launchpad."

"If baseball and basketball don't adapt to this new reality they are going to have issues," Luker continued, discussing the NFL's challenge to continue to develop talent in an era in which youth participation has dropped precipitously. "Fewer and fewer kids are actually playing [American] football so they won't learn the game in the way it sustained their interest in the past. It is an inevitability that soccer will soon be as popular as MLB and NBA."

How long will it take to get there? "We are talking generational change," Luker said. "A generation of kids have now grown up as having MLS as part of their reality. Give us one more cycle and that is all it will take. One more generation."

Luker is bullish about the rise of MLS, given that 7.2 percent of Americans describe themselves as fans of the league. "That is 25 million people, of whom MLS can only currently account for about 5 million, a fifth of their potential audience," he said. "If the league gets its marketing right, there will be massive growth." Luker reinforces this bold claim by revealing a remarkable 50 percent of those who declare any interest in soccer ask to know more about the MLS when three percent is considered a positive response rate in the consumer product industry. "MLS's problem is they only have 19 teams and no regular national television presence," Luker said. "Right now, you are not going to bump into their product but they are working hard to change that."

Despite Luker's evident enthusiasm for soccer's future, he said that he grew up playing hockey in Ann Arbor, Mich., and only watches MLS and EPL for a living. When pushed, he concluded by confessing, "My greatest delight is to look out of a plane's window when I am crossing the country and see what people are playing in the parks below," he said. "If you watch it like that, soccer is the biggest sport in the nation."
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby zuricity » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:09 pm

just been in an adidas shop, not surprisingly , there's only adidas based teams on offer, chelski, RM, Bayern.

Been in two apple stores and a microsoft shop , managed to leave mancityfans.net on five laptops so far !
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby Alex Sapphire » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:37 pm

Dingus McDouchey wrote:Little Mexican kid in what looks like a snide. You can see him behind the goal in this vid. Just outside Dallas TX this weekend.

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I think his team play inCity kit and there are other vids of Bubba Bandit and his mates with earlier kit too
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby Dingus McDouchey » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:14 pm

Alex, Bubba Bandit is my son, mate. Look for the lad behind the goal. He's got no sponsor on his shirt. I spoke with him after the match. He became a City fan after watching the QPR 3-2. He loves Sergio. His dad bought him his City gear for his birthday.
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby halnone » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:00 pm

Going to watch New England vs. New York tomorrow. Haven't been to a MLS game in a while. Should be a good day out.

No doubt there will be hundreds wearing United, Liverpool and Barca shirts though.
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby Tokyo Blue » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:05 pm

I saw a young Japanese bloke wearing the maroon away shirt with "Tevez 32" on the back tonight. Yay.
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby PrezIke » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:33 pm

Yffi_88 wrote:A question to our American subscribers.....

Is football/soccer your favourite game/main sporting passion or does it come second to one of your more traditional games?

I mean personally, not as a nation. Thats obvious.


basketball is my favorite sport, but footy is a very close second, and has grown in interest with me over the years.

before the 1994 world cup in the states, i barely knew much about the sport. it was a huge turning point for me, as were all those fifa and fm manger video games :)

i used to like baseball, but now i think it's total crap. hard to believe i was once a huge yankees fan. anyway, now i could care less.

i still like american football a bit.
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby PrezIke » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:39 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:Good to see so many US of A Citizens joining. Just one question, do you know the offside rule?


wait, that's where the ref gives the team that commits this a 5 yard penalty, right?

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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:44 pm

PrezIke wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Good to see so many US of A Citizens joining. Just one question, do you know the offside rule?


wait, that's where the ref gives the team that commits this a 5 yard penalty, right?

:)

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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby zuricity » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:49 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:That'll do for me pal ;-)


i thought you knew your football beefy? i suppose you'll be telling us Charlie Adam is one for the future next !
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:24 pm

zuricity wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:That'll do for me pal ;-)


i thought you knew your football beefy? i suppose you'll be telling us Charlie Adam is one for the future next !

Future in the dentists chair maybe ;-)
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby dazby » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:53 am

PrezIke wrote:
Yffi_88 wrote:A question to our American subscribers.....

Is football/soccer your favourite game/main sporting passion or does it come second to one of your more traditional games?

I mean personally, not as a nation. Thats obvious.


basketball is my favorite sport, but footy is a very close second, and has grown in interest with me over the years.

before the 1994 world cup in the states, i barely knew much about the sport. it was a huge turning point for me, as were all those fifa and fm manger video games :)

i used to like baseball, but now i think it's total crap. hard to believe i was once a huge yankees fan. anyway, now i could care less.

i still like american football a bit.


Funnily enough, my disliking of the yankees is one of my passions for the game.
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby CitizenYank » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:00 am

dazby wrote:
PrezIke wrote:
Yffi_88 wrote:A question to our American subscribers.....

Is football/soccer your favourite game/main sporting passion or does it come second to one of your more traditional games?

I mean personally, not as a nation. Thats obvious.


basketball is my favorite sport, but footy is a very close second, and has grown in interest with me over the years.

before the 1994 world cup in the states, i barely knew much about the sport. it was a huge turning point for me, as were all those fifa and fm manger video games :)

i used to like baseball, but now i think it's total crap. hard to believe i was once a huge yankees fan. anyway, now i could care less.

i still like american football a bit.


Funnily enough, my disliking of the yankees is one of my passions for the game.



Hah. Been a Yankee fan for the past 19 years since I was a kid. Only my love for City comes close. I realize this may make me unpopular with some here.
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby s1ty m » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:45 am

CitizenYank wrote:
dazby wrote:
PrezIke wrote:
Yffi_88 wrote:A question to our American subscribers.....

Is football/soccer your favourite game/main sporting passion or does it come second to one of your more traditional games?

I mean personally, not as a nation. Thats obvious.


basketball is my favorite sport, but footy is a very close second, and has grown in interest with me over the years.

before the 1994 world cup in the states, i barely knew much about the sport. it was a huge turning point for me, as were all those fifa and fm manger video games :)

i used to like baseball, but now i think it's total crap. hard to believe i was once a huge yankees fan. anyway, now i could care less.

i still like american football a bit.


Funnily enough, my disliking of the yankees is one of my passions for the game.


Hah. Been a Yankee fan for the past 19 years since I was a kid. Only my love for City comes close. I realize this may make me unpopular with some here.


Not me, mate. I love the Yankees and follow every day. Saw 4 games last season on our holiday to NYC, which was amazing (4 wins). Saw 1 game in 2008 too, at the old stadium, also a win. I've got plenty of people into Baseball and, yes, all Yankees. There is a guy on here, steveo_88 who I have met at The Etihad. Also a big Yankees fan.
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby Mase » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:28 am

I've just got back from Turkey (shit hole by the way) and one day we took a boat trip to a market. Spotted a fake of the new home shirt. Then a few shops down they had City magnets on sale.

Didn't show the City-Stoke match ANYWHERE though!! Just the rag match.
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby MR IMAINEROAD » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:52 pm

Mase wrote:I've just got back from Turkey (shit hole by the way) and one day we took a boat trip to a market. Spotted a fake of the new home shirt. Then a few shops down they had City magnets on sale.

Didn't show the City-Stoke match ANYWHERE though!! Just the rag match.


It was on LOF.com. Think CANAL plus were broadcasting.
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby Mase » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:23 pm

MR IMAINEROAD wrote:
It was on LOF.com. Think CANAL plus were broadcasting.


I'll tell the bar staff next time I don't go back over there.
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:35 pm

Mase wrote:
MR IMAINEROAD wrote:
It was on LOF.com. Think CANAL plus were broadcasting.


I'll tell the bar staff next time I don't go back over there.


You visited the whole country of Turkey ? Wow. Michael Palin eat your heart out..
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby Nigels Tackle » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:55 pm

been in florida for 11 days now. city shirt count 0.

wondering if that will change this afternoon when i head out to watch the match?
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Re: Our growth in the US

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:22 pm

Mase wrote:
MR IMAINEROAD wrote:
It was on LOF.com. Think CANAL plus were broadcasting.


I'll tell the bar staff next time I don't go back over there.


pmsl..I lived there for a total of 6 weeks (it was supposed to be for years) and found myself jumping in the air when I left ,just like that cunt in midnight express when he escaped.
Bunch of cunts over there , I was told to mention the owners name whereever I went and Id get treated like a star,well I got treated like a cunt as the owner was a massive one.After that experience I made sure that Turkey was on my "next to be nuked" country when Im made world leader.
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