Mancini

[steveo_88]

Bollocks is this Mancini's fault.

The two goals that cost us the game were from shit defending. As IMO Benzemas goal was individual brilliance and he was forced to go outside to get an advantage over the defender. Not much more could be done.

Marcelo= Vinny, yet again this year, gave up the inside allowing Marcelo time and space after seeing warning shots to fire home. Poor defending, he gave up the same chances to Lambert and almost more against QPR. Time to sort it out Vinny.

Tranny= We all know Zabba can get turned to easily and he did on the inside against one of the greats. However we still had the chance to stop his shot as Vinny was in the perfect place to block it but he ducked. This error was exacerbated as Vinny was blocking Joe's line of sight combined with a powerful Tranny shot=unstoppable for the keeper.

We set the team up well to absorb pressure and counter punch. A vast improvement on our away trip to Bayern last season. If it wasn't for our consistent individual errors at the back we would have come away with at least a point.

Palus, who brought Dzeko on to win the game when it was there to be taken? You can't win it in the first hour but you can lose it!

[branny]

We were poor and could've got hammered. We were also a Yaya one on one away from putting it to bed. Shit happens. Can't win em all.

[Ted Hughes]

Bollocks is this Mancini's fault.

The two goals that cost us the game were from shit defending. As IMO Benzemas goal was individual brilliance and he was forced to go outside to get an advantage over the defender. Not much more could be done.

Marcelo= Vinny, yet again this year, gave up the inside allowing Marcelo time and space after seeing warning shots to fire home. Poor defending, he gave up the same chances to Lambert and almost more against QPR. Time to sort it out Vinny.

Tranny= We all know Zabba can get turned to easily and he did on the inside against one of the greats. However we still had the chance to stop his shot as Vinny was in the perfect place to block it but he ducked. This error was exacerbated as Vinny was blocking Joe's line of sight combined with a powerful Tranny shot=unstoppable for the keeper.

We set the team up well to absorb pressure and counter punch. A vast improvement on our away trip to Bayern last season. If it wasn't for our consistent individual errors at the back we would have come away with at least a point.

Palus, who brought Dzeko on to win the game when it was there to be taken? You can't win it in the first hour but you can lose it!

When Marcelo cuts inside, there are 7 other City players in the picture & 3 from Madrid, two of whom are on the same side of the box as Marcelo. The nearest City player is about 6 yards inside our box & 8 yards from the ball, to the right. Why ? What is the purpose of the other 7 City players & why are they positioned anywhere but on the edge of our penalty area ?

Just before Benzema scores, whilst Vinny is marking Ronaldo, Benzema is several yards from Nastasic who has not seen him. He is clearly his man, but Nastasic is ball watching & has lost him. Nastasic's position is WRONG. He is not alert to the players around him & has not spotted that Vinny is concerned about Ronaldo & does not cover for it. Why ? BECAUSE HE DOESN'T PLAY IN THE SAME TEAM. MANCINI STUCK HIM IN AMONGST A BUNCH OF BLOKES HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW. When Benzema shoots, the nearest person to him, is Gareth Barry. Nastasic was lost from before the ball even arrived. It isn't even a quick turn from Benzama, by Prem standards, it's ponderous, Tevez, Aguero, Dzeko would all get the shot off faster, much faster.

It's dogshite defending from Nastasic, every bit as bad as Savic. It's understandable for a 19 year old kid, but it's still shite. If he's 3 yards closer & the shot goes through his legs, it's hard luck, but when he's nowhere fucking near the bloke, it's not hard luck or unstoppable it's SHITE.

Just because he looks a promising player, let's not tell lies; IT IS SHITE DEFENDING.

When Ronaldo receives the ball for the 3rd goal, Marcelo is yet again unmarked on the edge of our box. Ronaldo could pass to him & he would possibly get a shot off. There is a big fucking space behind Zabba & a big fucking space on the edge of our box as all our defence hangs back. Yaya & Tevez are stranded yards up the pitch. Ronaldo could go either side of Zabba & cause shit (probably why Zabba fucks up & lets him inside). When he does step inside, our defence is actually retreating further back & Marcelo is now in even more space on the edge of our box with one player effectively stood between the two, yards away from both. He could pass to Marcelo & he could score from exactly the same position he scored the first from. (Vinny doesn't duck his shot, he misjudges it btw, as he said.)

These are not isolated incidents. Marcelo showed us time & again what he was going to try & do & NOTHING WAS DONE TO STOP IT. Why ?

From start to finish in this game, our defending as a team was a fucking shambles. Individually it's poor, collectively it's poor. If we defend the same against Arsenal or rags or anyone, they will beat us, easily. Giggs or Nani are easily able to score the same goals that Marcelo or Benzema or Ronaldo scored. So is Rooney, Van Persie, Suarez, DeFoe, Bale, even Theo fucking Walcott.

We were shite.

We put out a side with 3 new players & a player coming back from long term injury at the fucking Bernabau.

You all know this was stupid, & if Ferguson or Harry Redknapp had done similar, you would all be laughing at him.

[Beefymcfc]

Nothing more to be said really, cheers Ted.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Nothing more to be said really, cheers Ted.

It's really important that we beat the Arse for Ted's health.I don't think he can take another defeat especially if it's down to poor defending.

[Beefymcfc]

Nothing more to be said really, cheers Ted.

It's really important that we beat the Arse for Ted's health.I don't think he can take another defeat especially if it's down to poor defending.

Mate, if we lose against Arsenal I think half the board will have a meltdown. This thread will have nothing on those that will be started.

I'm confident we'll win though .................. I think.

[Ted Hughes]

I don't have a problem with losing a game of football, I have a problem with Boyata & Boateng starting v Arsenal, Kolo Toure starting v Bayern, playing for a draw at Arsenal when we should be all out for a win, starting Maicon, Nastasic etc at the Bernabau & generally handicapping ourselves in big games, for weak reasoning. He says he left out Lescott because everyone needs a few games each ! It's Real Madrid ffs!

If we are sound in selection & tactics & lose, so be it. Shit happens. When we invite shit to land on us by lighting up the fucking runway; it does my head in.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Nothing more to be said really, cheers Ted.

It's really important that we beat the Arse for Ted's health.I don't think he can take another defeat especially if it's down to poor defending.

lo and behold Lescott starts against the Arse and and fucks up left right and centre......I will do a 10 page fuckign summary on the cunt and there will be no hiding place for Ted !

[Beefymcfc]

Nothing more to be said really, cheers Ted.

It's really important that we beat the Arse for Ted's health.I don't think he can take another defeat especially if it's down to poor defending.

lo and behold Lescott starts against the Arse and and fucks up left right and centre......I will do a 10 page fuckign summary on the cunt and there will be no hiding place for Ted !

I hear Lescott's being dropped again, Mancini's took a fancy to one of the under 12s and wants to see if he can cut it.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Nothing more to be said really, cheers Ted.

It's really important that we beat the Arse for Ted's health.I don't think he can take another defeat especially if it's down to poor defending.

lo and behold Lescott starts against the Arse and and fucks up left right and centre......I will do a 10 page fuckign summary on the cunt and there will be no hiding place for Ted !

I hear Lescott's being dropped again, Mancini's took a fancy to one of the under 12s and wants to see if he can cut it.

Ill be watching like a cunt with a camera on the finishing line at the races...pen in hand.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I don't have a problem with losing a game of football, I have a problem with Boyata & Boateng starting v Arsenal, Kolo Toure starting v Bayern, playing for a draw at Arsenal when we should be all out for a win, starting Maicon, Nastasic etc at the Bernabau & generally handicapping ourselves in big games, for weak reasoning. He says he left out Lescott because everyone needs a few games each ! It's Real Madrid ffs!

If we are sound in selection & tactics & lose, so be it. Shit happens. When we invite shit to land on us by lighting up the fucking runway; it does my head in.

He's hardly going to say that he left out Lescott because he's uncomfortable in possession and that he knew Real would press high up the pitch.

Do you honestly think Zaba would have fared any better than Maicon?

[Bluedj]

Garcia is getting a free ride here. He had a poor game.

I thought exactly the same, his positional play was poor, he never went to cover for 2 on 1, very poor indeed and his fitness levels to me didn't seem what you would expect. Also I think he could shed a few pounds.....take a leaf out of Carlo's training.

[PALUS]

I don't have a problem with losing a game of football, I have a problem with Boyata & Boateng starting v Arsenal, Kolo Toure starting v Bayern, playing for a draw at Arsenal when we should be all out for a win, starting Maicon, Nastasic etc at the Bernabau & generally handicapping ourselves in big games, for weak reasoning. He says he left out Lescott because everyone needs a few games each ! It's Real Madrid ffs!

If we are sound in selection & tactics & lose, so be it. Shit happens. When we invite shit to land on us by lighting up the fucking runway; it does my head in.

Last time i said somthing bad abaut Bob here i was attack like i was talking of some non humen who cant make mistake , and i saw a lot even before Bernabeo , its all true wath Ted say mass of strange moves by Bob ,i know he won FA and we are Champions but its not ike he did not spend huge amaunt of money for that and we win the Championship by nick and goal difrence in last seconds(and i will agree best way to win is like that to grab it from rags hands) the team who is by my opinion last year better by a lot then rags u can see that in match betwen us , but he did have some master moves he transform last year from defensive side into atacking force this team but he faild in CL where i think we should pass. i dont think Bob is ad manager , he is good but sometimes he have some strange moves. I think this team is force and wath Ted was saying if somebody else do this in Bernabeu and nobody really knows why so much new players why Barry who is just recover , why Nastasic 19 year old kid on debut at this level ,why Tevez alone with knowing that Real will press us and we will have a lot long balls and we can play our game we would ridicule that manager.I really hope Bob can pull back confidence in Silva in our defence , let go this 352 shit it just do not work with these players and so much new onem WE REALLY NEED S WIN AGAINST ARSENAL AMD OF WE CANT CLEAN SHEET!!!

[Ted Hughes]

Nothing more to be said really, cheers Ted.

It's really important that we beat the Arse for Ted's health.I don't think he can take another defeat especially if it's down to poor defending.

lo and behold Lescott starts against the Arse and and fucks up left right and centre......I will do a 10 page fuckign summary on the cunt and there will be no hiding place for Ted !

I hear Lescott's being dropped again, Mancini's took a fancy to one of the under 12s and wants to see if he can cut it.

Ill be watching like a cunt with a camera on the finishing line at the races...pen in hand.

It's not about whether Lescott woul;d have made a mistake that cost us a goal or whether Zabba woiuld have been better than Maicon as individuals, it's about the chances of a 19 yer old kid & a fucking ancient, non tackling Brazilian fullback surviving at the fucking Bernabau in a defence that's been below par, & being a better option than 4 of our best players who won us the fucking league.

The chances of it working were slim to fuck all. It's beyond a joke.

You find fault with Lescott even when he's the best defender & you will do it again whether he's good or bad. No defender is perfect & Lescott does, & will, continue to make mistakes. You will continue to point out every one he makes & a few which don't exist. Nastasic may one day be twice the player he is but he isn't that now & he wasn't in Madrid & he got lots of things wrong. He can't have helped Kompany's performance at all.

So far this season, before Madrid, Clichy has been the best defender, followed by Lescott, then Zabba, then Kolo Toure, then Maicon, then Vincent Kompany & Kolarov. Lescott has been ok to average, Zabba has been a bit below average & the rest have been shite, with Vinny & Kolarov boiled shite.

So you take out two of the better performers & stick two unkown performers in next to a bloke who is struggling for form & nervous & say 'sort out Real Madrid lads'. If he was going to do change it, then it should be tried out v Villa in the fucking League Cup first & then, if it works, use it again.

I agree also that Garcia was piss, but it must surely also be easier for him to play in front of an established back 4 who will shout stuff at him.

Zabba, Vinny, JL & Clichy should have been drilled to fuck for two days about stopping Ronaldo etc, with Garcia & Co stood in front of them.

That is the kind of preperation you expect for the Bernabau, not random whimsical fucking team selections.

[PALUS]

Carl i know u hate Lescot but Ted have point here , Nastasic was pick in wrong place to debut and it really dosent make sense and Maicon either and Barry who is just back i would think Milner would plug Tranny with Zabba the best.

[carl_feedthegoat]

TED
You can dig up all my posts on Lescott and you will see that when he plays well I mention it..I have said it plenty of times so your talking bolloks if you say that I slag him off even when he plays well !!!
We have shipped in over 11 goals in the last 6 competitive games or so and Lescott has played SHITE...thats a fact.

Thats why he dropped the cunt against RM and Ill say it one last fuckign time......IF VINNY HADNT FUCKED UP WE WOULD HAVE WON and then you wouldnt have had any need to write half a page slagging off Nasti.

[PALUS]

TED
You can dig up all my posts on Lescott and you will see that when he plays well I mention it..I have said it plenty of times so your talking bolloks if you say that I slag him off even when he plays well !!!
We have shipped in over 11 goals in the last 6 competitive games or so and Lescott has played SHITE...thats a fact.

Thats why he dropped the cunt against RM and Ill say it one last fuckign time......IF VINNY HADNT FUCKED UP WE WOULD HAVE WON and then you wouldnt have had any need to write half a page slagging off Nasti.

No nobody slagging Nasti, he did the best he could playing first game on this level with players he did not play at all , if Saavic have debut here he would get red card for bad playing :) but even u Carl must admit it was strange game to debut and to many players who dont know each other , and why Bob did not give Nasti at list one game in Premiere before this , but i agree that defence is shit and that Vinny fuck moree then few times but he was covering whole game Maicon who was awful , but for 3 goal no exuse Vinny goal 100 % , even the first one he is the one give Marcelo time and space but also nobody else was there to duble , strange game.

[carl_feedthegoat]

TED
You can dig up all my posts on Lescott and you will see that when he plays well I mention it..I have said it plenty of times so your talking bolloks if you say that I slag him off even when he plays well !!!
We have shipped in over 11 goals in the last 6 competitive games or so and Lescott has played SHITE...thats a fact.

Thats why he dropped the cunt against RM and Ill say it one last fuckign time......IF VINNY HADNT FUCKED UP WE WOULD HAVE WON and then you wouldnt have had any need to write half a page slagging off Nasti.

No nobody slagging Nasti, he did the best he could playing first game on this level with players he did not play at all , if Saavic have debut here he would get red card for bad playing :) but even u Carl must admit it was strange game to debut and to many players who dont know each other , and why Bob did not give Nasti at list one game in Premiere before this , but i agree that defence is shit and that Vinny fuck moree then few times but he was covering whole game Maicon who was awful , but for 3 goal no exuse Vinny goal 100 % , even the first one he is the one give Marcelo time and space but also nobody else was there to duble , strange game.

Yes it was strange..but the alternative was to play a player that has fucked up so far this season and the latter of last season...maybe Mancini thought fuck it..Ill play him , anyone would think Nasti is just a kid that hasnt played fucking high powered matches before!!!

Nasti will replace Lescott for good soon enough imo..Lescotts in his last part of his contract and I doubt he will get another one..in fact he might even go in January.

I quite understand Teds and others surprise when he played Nasti but imo he played well and wasnt the reason we fucking lost..same as it wasnt Maicons fault we lost as he didnt concede a fucking goal when he was on the pitch !! call it luck or whatever..there are 2 facts that are indisputable and thats the goals against wasnt maicons fault and the 2 goals against wasnt Nastis fault...it can be argued that Benzemas goal was a brilliant turn and shot and not Nastis fault at all..I doubt whether 99% of defenders worldwide would have defied Benzema that turn and goal.

Anyway..its past and gone , now lets see what happens tomorrow.

[Mase]

I thought exactly the same, his positional play was poor, he never went to cover for 2 on 1, very poor indeed and his fitness levels to me didn't seem what you would expect. Also I think he could shed a few pounds.....take a leaf out of Carlo's training.

Mate, players might have been skinny as fuck back in the day but these days they need a bit of meat on the bones.
I remember Micah tweeting "Liverpool fans calling me fat. Don't make me take my shirt off"

The only player who needs to lose weight in the Premiership is that fat cunt Wooney.

[Ted Hughes]

TED
You can dig up all my posts on Lescott and you will see that when he plays well I mention it..I have said it plenty of times so your talking bolloks if you say that I slag him off even when he plays well !!!
We have shipped in over 11 goals in the last 6 competitive games or so and Lescott has played SHITE...thats a fact.

Thats why he dropped the cunt against RM and Ill say it one last fuckign time......IF VINNY HADNT FUCKED UP WE WOULD HAVE WON and then you wouldnt have had any need to write half a page slagging off Nasti.

No nobody slagging Nasti, he did the best he could playing first game on this level with players he did not play at all , if Saavic have debut here he would get red card for bad playing :) but even u Carl must admit it was strange game to debut and to many players who dont know each other , and why Bob did not give Nasti at list one game in Premiere before this , but i agree that defence is shit and that Vinny fuck moree then few times but he was covering whole game Maicon who was awful , but for 3 goal no exuse Vinny goal 100 % , even the first one he is the one give Marcelo time and space but also nobody else was there to duble , strange game.

Yes it was strange..but the alternative was to play a player that has fucked up so far this season and the latter of last season...maybe Mancini thought fuck it..Ill play him , anyone would think Nasti is just a kid that hasnt played fucking high powered matches before!!!

Nasti will replace Lescott for good soon enough imo..Lescotts in his last part of his contract and I doubt he will get another one..in fact he might even go in January.

I quite understand Teds and others surprise when he played Nasti but imo he played well and wasnt the reason we fucking lost..same as it wasnt Maicons fault we lost as he didnt concede a fucking goal when he was on the pitch !! call it luck or whatever..there are 2 facts that are indisputable and thats the goals against wasnt maicons fault and the 2 goals against wasnt Nastis fault...it can be argued that Benzemas goal was a brilliant turn and shot and not Nastis fault at all..I doubt whether 99% of defenders worldwide would have defied Benzema that turn and goal.

Anyway..its past and gone , now lets see what happens tomorrow.

If Lescott had been marking Benzema, you would have been screaming for him to be dropped as, quite rightly, you would have seen a mistake, as he was nowhere near where he should have been in order to defend it. It's not true that most defenders wouldn't have stopped it. Most Premier League defenders would have been 3 yards closer & stood a very good chance. Nasti fell asleep & didn't react. Understandable & no reason to write him off, but it was a mistake nontheless, & a pretty bad one.

He may have scored the same goal if Lescott had played, but it would have had to be squeezed through Lescott's legs, as he would have been all over him like a fucking rash. Lescott would get the blame where this lad doesn't though & that's where it's not fair.

He will make a mistake, maybe even v Arsenal & about once in ten games, it leads to a goal. Most don't but people still want to drop him anyway. For some reason, he isn't allowed to do anything wrong & others are, even if they do it more often. A Lescott mistake seems to count double in some people's eyes & any miscontrol of a ball seems to be a sackable offence.

It's not just you; the bloke in the MUEN is the same; ALWAYS marks Lescott 2 or 3 points down, no matter how well he plays. Hansen once did a highlights section on VK in a game where Lescott had been pretty much identical over 90 mins & he never even mentioned Lescott's name as being on the pitch, just how brilliant VK was. Most of these blokes sided with Moyes when City signed him & have been on his case ever since.

It's both unfair & bizarre. Last season people were blaming Lescott for Savic being shit, presumably because he was on the pitch at the same time, yet they never blame Lescott for Vinny being good.

He never gets credit for anything he does that's good, just shit for mistakes he makes or even when he does nothing wrong, like at Stoke. It never used to be like this. In Joe Mercer's side he would have been a hero & imo that's exactly what he & Vinny were last season. They are champions & deserve the opportunity to be given some games to sort out the defence, not sacked for any kid that comes along.