MARK HUGHES THREAD (all hughes opinions in here please)

[Robinho_Is_GOD]

Give Hughes a chance? So in 10 years of management he has been denied the opportunity to accomplish something? The fact that his CV is devoid of substance is not my problem. He didn't qualify for any major championships with Wales. He didn't win anything with Rovers. He finished 10th in his first season with us and didn't even manage to qualify for UEFA cup (or whatever it is called now). Hughes CV comprises of nothing of substance. Ancelotti has 2 Champions League and a Serie A to his name and you state that his record isn't that fantastic?

I'm not defending Hughes particularly, but I think not winning silverware with Blackburn or getting Wales into a major competition is a very fair criticism, with the players in those sides, compared with the competition for silverware, means I believe any manager would have struggled to accomplish anything of substance with those squads. Hughes has his chance now. He needs this season, to show what he can do with a handpicked talented squad. Writing him off before Christmas is crazy. Next summer is the time for reappraising surely, giving a manager a matter of months with new players isn't enough. There's obviously a lot of areas he needs to improve in, chiefly defence. But if we're in the top 4 in May, calling for Hughes' head now seems hasty.

Many people think the job hughesdid with wales was magnificent, even though they didnt quite make it, its the first time for a VERY long time that they had a shot.

And many people don't

There are more people who think he did a very good job than people who think he didnt. If you cast your mind back to the that time, it was almost fantasy land for the welsh.

With Wales on the brink of qualification for the EC in 2004, and 5 points clear of Italy, who would you have expected to get through, considering only 4 games left to play and Wales would be playing Finland & Serbia at home, Serbia away and Italy away.....the Italians collected 10 points from 12 remaining to end on 17 points, Wales collected 1 point from 12, to end on 13 points.

He BLEW it, and then choked and went out for a draw in the "knockout" stages when they were defeated of Russia, drew away and lost at home.....yep he did a wonderful job, maybe Hughes should have stayed in "fantasy land", that is where people live who believe he will suddenly turn into a competant manager after 10 years in the job.

[Rag_hater]

Ancelotti's record is not that great, certainly not as fantastic as is being depicted. Also in a very bent league where match fixing was rife.

Mourinho is very good and plays boring football also.

pros and cons to every side of the argument, however, why are you not giving hughes a chance?

Ancelotti's record in 14 years of management

Juve
* Intertoto Cup: 1999

Milan
* Coppa Italia: 2002–03
* Serie A: 2003–04
* Italian Supercup: 2004
* UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
* UEFA Super Cup: 2003, 2007
* FIFA Club World Cup: 2007

Out of that he has 3 major accomplishments being 2 Champions League and 1 Serie A

Give Hughes a chance? So in 10 years of management he has been denied the opportunity to accomplish something? The fact that his CV is devoid of substance is not my problem. He didn't qualify for any major championships with Wales. He didn't win anything with Rovers. He finished 10th in his first season with us and didn't even manage to qualify for UEFA cup (or whatever it is called now). Hughes CV comprises of nothing of substance. Ancelotti has 2 Champions League and a Serie A to his name and you state that his record isn't that fantastic?

The Mourinho boring 1-0 football is a mixture of myth and fact. When Chelsea won the 04/05 title they were in fact the second highest goal scorers and when they won the following season they were joint highest goalscorers and did play some great football. When things started to sour between Jose and Roman they did start to concentrate more on being difficult to beat and it was used as a stick by Roman to criticise Mourinho. Its a lazy journalist tag and trotted out on forums by people to counter pro- Mourinho arguments which is understandable given thats all they have along with ego and antics.

The lazy jounalist tags with Hughes are also rife. The 'best young British manager' is often used along with 'potential', 'learnt at the best schools' etc. The fact these tags are used 10 years into his career as a substitute for not actually winning something is for me significant and I half suspect that he will be the 'best young British manager' well into his fifties. Even Steve McClaren has actually won something in his managerial career and at an equally unfashionable club as Rovers (and no I do not regard McClaren as a great manager).

Will Hughes win something at City? After spending £200m+ yes I think he will. The League cup especially is well within his grasp and a 4th spot is within our capabilities especially with Liverpool imploding as they have. Will Hughes ever leads us to PL or European Champions glory. No he won't. Its beyond his capabilities no matter how much he spends as he lacks the leadership and man management skills and for me lacks the necessary self belief in himself to make that quantum leap.

Are ADUG content to let Hughes take the first steps to sustainable and meaningful success? Well quite clearly they are and you can see their logic as City are not ready for a Mourinho or even maybe a Hiddinck much as I would like to have either man at the helm.

Spot on there Bob.
For me it seems a bit of a delusion when people say he overachieves with teams.
I dont think so.
At best he keeps teams at the level they are at and with us he seems to be taking us backwards.

[Robinho_Is_GOD]

if by liverpool winning Hughes got the sack i would be shouting for Liverpool but i think he will last till the end of the season

I could never, ever, ever, ever shout for any team playing against City.

Very embarrassed to hear a Blue say this and there's a lot of Blues that will travelling to Anfield who would kick seven fuclin different colours of shite out of you if you got caught doing it.

Nuff said IMO.

I just want to clarify that the above RIG comment was made by his Dad, and his thinking behind that, was that if Liverpool won would guarentee Hughes the sack, it might not be a bad result getting beat, sometimes a defeat can be a positive.

As an example.....if we were safe and playing Chelsea last game of the season and a Chelsea win would win them the league and cost United the title, would you cheer for Chelsea or City then?.....because of the outcome some (poss more than half) would opt for Chelsea.....remember Liverpool fans cheering for Blackburn when they won the league in 95, even though they were playing Liverpool.

[Wonderwall]

There are more people who think he did a very good job than people who think he didnt. If you cast your mind back to the that time, it was almost fantasy land for the welsh.

With Wales on the brink of qualification for the EC in 2004, and 5 points clear of Italy, who would you have expected to get through, considering only 4 games left to play and Wales would be playing Finland & Serbia at home, Serbia away and Italy away.....the Italians collected 10 points from 12 remaining to end on 17 points, Wales collected 1 point from 12, to end on 13 points.

He BLEW it, and then choked and went out for a draw in the "knockout" stages when they were defeated of Russia, drew away and lost at home.....yep he did a wonderful job, maybe Hughes should have stayed in "fantasy land", that is where people live who believe he will suddenly turn into a competant manager after 10 years in the job.

why do you dislike him so much? What is it that he has done that is SO WRONG? Were you around during the mid to late nineties? Is that why you are so negative, you just forgot to look where we are in comparison.

[Robinho_Is_GOD]

There are more people who think he did a very good job than people who think he didnt. If you cast your mind back to the that time, it was almost fantasy land for the welsh.

With Wales on the brink of qualification for the EC in 2004, and 5 points clear of Italy, who would you have expected to get through, considering only 4 games left to play and Wales would be playing Finland & Serbia at home, Serbia away and Italy away.....the Italians collected 10 points from 12 remaining to end on 17 points, Wales collected 1 point from 12, to end on 13 points.

He BLEW it, and then choked and went out for a draw in the "knockout" stages when they were defeated of Russia, drew away and lost at home.....yep he did a wonderful job, maybe Hughes should have stayed in "fantasy land", that is where people live who believe he will suddenly turn into a competant manager after 10 years in the job.

why do you dislike him so much? What is it that he has done that is SO WRONG? Were you around during the mid to late nineties? Is that why you are so negative, you just forgot to look where we are in comparison.

I have been around since the 70s WW.......my Dad since the glory days of 50's.

Yes we as are club are far more advanced now than we were in the mid 90's, but it isn't down to anything that Hughes has done, we were more advance than we were in the 90's under Klueless Kev, or Sven the ladies man, but neither of them were right for the club either, although I think under Sven we would be a better team with £200m+ spent on it, than we are under Hughes...due to managerial ability and organisational/coaching skills of the two men.

He simply is, as Bob has said in 2-3 posts above, not good enough to take us to where we want to go, he has took this club to as far as he can go, hell we were at this place when he walked into the job 17 months ago, and not moved forward any since, despite having class players like Adebayor, Robinho, Kompany, Given, Tevez, SWP, Bellamy, Zabaleta or even Toure to call upon none of our other managers had either the money or talent pool available to them that Hughes has got, and still we plod along without really moving anywhere.

[Wonderwall]

I have been around since the 70s WW.......my Dad since the glory days of 50's.

Yes we as are club are far more advanced now than we were in the mid 90's, but it isn't down to anything that Hughes has done, we were more advance than we were in the 90's under Klueless Kev, or Sven the ladies man, but neither of them were right for the club either, although I think under Sven we would be a better team with £200m+ spent on it, than we are under Hughes...due to managerial ability and organisational/coaching skills of the two men.

He simply is, as Bob has said in 2-3 posts above, not good enough to take us to where we want to go, he has took this club to as far as he can go, hell we were at this place when he walked into the job 17 months ago, and not moved forward any since, despite having class players like Adebayor, Robinho, Kompany, Given, Tevez, SWP, Bellamy, Zabaleta or even Toure to call upon none of our other managers had either the money or talent pool available to them that Hughes has got, and still we plod along without really moving anywhere.

OK I know this is a brick wall I am banging my head against here and it has been said so many times...however, he has brought in a plethora of quality players, anyone worth listening to will tell you that it takes time to form a team from the arrival of many new players.

I think we are in a better position after 11 games than I thought we would be with all of the new arrivals and the upheaval in the close season. Before the season started, the general consensus was that we wanted European football at the end of this season and maybe a cup final. It would be a dream to win silverware and force the cunts at the swamp to eat that banner.

We are much harder to beat despite having an unsettled defence. We have had injuries galore and suspensions at key times (ala Ade on a hot streak and being forced to sit out 3 games). Yet we are being painted with doom and gloom and its quite the opposite. We are in a great position at the moment and have already had a tough time, where Hughes would have learnt a lot about the new guys.

Nobody and I mean NOBODY knows how hughes is going to pan out, he may well dive bomb or he may well lead us onto greater things. Why can't you enjoy the ride and if it goes sour, rant all you want then. We have only lost 1 game this season... 1 GAME! I am astounded that City fans act like we are in the relegation zone and in danger of going out of business (thats how it seems given the reactions on here)

[MaineRoadMemories]

Hughes won't allow Doug to watch the team train! Hughes OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-D

[Beefymcfc]

I have been around since the 70s WW.......my Dad since the glory days of 50's.

Yes we as are club are far more advanced now than we were in the mid 90's, but it isn't down to anything that Hughes has done, we were more advance than we were in the 90's under Klueless Kev, or Sven the ladies man, but neither of them were right for the club either, although I think under Sven we would be a better team with £200m+ spent on it, than we are under Hughes...due to managerial ability and organisational/coaching skills of the two men.

He simply is, as Bob has said in 2-3 posts above, not good enough to take us to where we want to go, he has took this club to as far as he can go, hell we were at this place when he walked into the job 17 months ago, and not moved forward any since, despite having class players like Adebayor, Robinho, Kompany, Given, Tevez, SWP, Bellamy, Zabaleta or even Toure to call upon none of our other managers had either the money or talent pool available to them that Hughes has got, and still we plod along without really moving anywhere.

OK I know this is a brick wall I am banging my head against here and it has been said so many times...however, he has brought in a plethora of quality players, anyone worth listening to will tell you that it takes time to form a team from the arrival of many new players.

I think we are in a better position after 11 games than I thought we would be with all of the new arrivals and the upheaval in the close season. Before the season started, the general consensus was that we wanted European football at the end of this season and maybe a cup final. It would be a dream to win silverware and force the cunts at the swamp to eat that banner.

We are much harder to beat despite having an unsettled defence. We have had injuries galore and suspensions at key times (ala Ade on a hot streak and being forced to sit out 3 games). Yet we are being painted with doom and gloom and its quite the opposite. We are in a great position at the moment and have already had a tough time, where Hughes would have learnt a lot about the new guys.

Nobody and I mean NOBODY knows how hughes is going to pan out, he may well dive bomb or he may well lead us onto greater things. Why can't you enjoy the ride and if it goes sour, rant all you want then. We have only lost 1 game this season... 1 GAME! I am astounded that City fans act like we are in the relegation zone and in danger of going out of business (thats how it seems given the reactions on here)

That is the best line I have seen on here for ages. The truth is that it isn't about City and it isn't about football for many, it's about Hughes and who was right and who was wrong. Me personally, I'll stand side by side with any Blue and scream my heart out for the team, the club and those around me, whilst some will just shout for themselves; it's just the way supporters are!

[Burt]

if by liverpool winning Hughes got the sack i would be shouting for Liverpool but i think he will last till the end of the season

I could never, ever, ever, ever shout for any team playing against City.

Very embarrassed to hear a Blue say this and there's a lot of Blues that will travelling to Anfield who would kick seven fuclin different colours of shite out of you if you got caught doing it.

Nuff said IMO.

I just want to clarify that the above RIG comment was made by his Dad, and his thinking behind that, was that if Liverpool won would guarentee Hughes the sack, it might not be a bad result getting beat, sometimes a defeat can be a positive.

As an example.....if we were safe and playing Chelsea last game of the season and a Chelsea win would win them the league and cost U***d the title, would you cheer for Chelsea or City then?.....because of the outcome some (poss more than half) would opt for Chelsea.....remember Liverpool fans cheering for Blackburn when they won the league in 95, even though they were playing Liverpool.

Stating that your Dad wrote that post does not change much does it.

Trying to wriggle out of it doesn't help your case either mate.

The scenario you suggest above is totally, totally, totally different to us playing only a third of a season in and cheering for us to to get beat today at Anfield, when we still have so much to play for this season.

Most City fans would kick fucl out of you if you cheered Liverpool on to beat us today and you'd be lucky to get out of the ground without requiring major hospital treatment.

I know of NO City fans other than you and your Dad that would even consider cheering on Liverpool today. Having said that, I'm not sure that you should be considered as City fans any more because you've overstepped the line in my oppinion.

I'll leave it up to the rest of the guys on here to see what they think but I am quite surprised that there's only me that has picked you up on your comment. Maybe they're just fed up of you?

[Socrates]

if by liverpool winning Hughes got the sack i would be shouting for Liverpool but i think he will last till the end of the season

I could never, ever, ever, ever shout for any team playing against City.

Very embarrassed to hear a Blue say this and there's a lot of Blues that will travelling to Anfield who would kick seven fuclin different colours of shite out of you if you got caught doing it.

Nuff said IMO.

I just want to clarify that the above RIG comment was made by his Dad, and his thinking behind that, was that if Liverpool won would guarentee Hughes the sack, it might not be a bad result getting beat, sometimes a defeat can be a positive.

As an example.....if we were safe and playing Chelsea last game of the season and a Chelsea win would win them the league and cost U***d the title, would you cheer for Chelsea or City then?.....because of the outcome some (poss more than half) would opt for Chelsea.....remember Liverpool fans cheering for Blackburn when they won the league in 95, even though they were playing Liverpool.

You really need to get papa his own account mate. How can you have a reasoned debate when you don't know what you've said?

[john@staustell]

if by liverpool winning Hughes got the sack i would be shouting for Liverpool but i think he will last till the end of the season

I could never, ever, ever, ever shout for any team playing against City.

Very embarrassed to hear a Blue say this and there's a lot of Blues that will travelling to Anfield who would kick seven fuclin different colours of shite out of you if you got caught doing it.

Nuff said IMO.

I just want to clarify that the above RIG comment was made by his Dad, and his thinking behind that, was that if Liverpool won would guarentee Hughes the sack, it might not be a bad result getting beat, sometimes a defeat can be a positive.

As an example.....if we were safe and playing Chelsea last game of the season and a Chelsea win would win them the league and cost U***d the title, would you cheer for Chelsea or City then?.....because of the outcome some (poss more than half) would opt for Chelsea.....remember Liverpool fans cheering for Blackburn when they won the league in 95, even though they were playing Liverpool.

You really need to get papa his own account mate. How can you have a reasoned debate when you don't know what you've said?

Changing the password might be an idea.

Which RiG do we get today?

[Beefymcfc]

if by liverpool winning Hughes got the sack i would be shouting for Liverpool but i think he will last till the end of the season

I could never, ever, ever, ever shout for any team playing against City.

Very embarrassed to hear a Blue say this and there's a lot of Blues that will travelling to Anfield who would kick seven fuclin different colours of shite out of you if you got caught doing it.

Nuff said IMO.

I just want to clarify that the above RIG comment was made by his Dad, and his thinking behind that, was that if Liverpool won would guarentee Hughes the sack, it might not be a bad result getting beat, sometimes a defeat can be a positive.

As an example.....if we were safe and playing Chelsea last game of the season and a Chelsea win would win them the league and cost U***d the title, would you cheer for Chelsea or City then?.....because of the outcome some (poss more than half) would opt for Chelsea.....remember Liverpool fans cheering for Blackburn when they won the league in 95, even though they were playing Liverpool.

You really need to get papa his own account mate. How can you have a reasoned debate when you don't know what you've said?

Changing the password might be an idea.

Which RiG do we get today?

I'd like toknow how old RiG really is? I'm sure that he said he was at the games in the 70s, probably in his late teens which would put him in his 40s at least. Yet he lets his dad posts for him meaning that he probably lives at home and his 60ish year old dad shares his account?

I know people still with their parents late on in life, but to be sharing accounts, that's just wierd! Unless it was his dad who was around in the 70s?

I'm confused???

And to keep on Topic - Hughes is great!

[Socrates]

if by liverpool winning Hughes got the sack i would be shouting for Liverpool but i think he will last till the end of the season

I could never, ever, ever, ever shout for any team playing against City.

Very embarrassed to hear a Blue say this and there's a lot of Blues that will travelling to Anfield who would kick seven fuclin different colours of shite out of you if you got caught doing it.

Nuff said IMO.

I just want to clarify that the above RIG comment was made by his Dad, and his thinking behind that, was that if Liverpool won would guarentee Hughes the sack, it might not be a bad result getting beat, sometimes a defeat can be a positive.

As an example.....if we were safe and playing Chelsea last game of the season and a Chelsea win would win them the league and cost U***d the title, would you cheer for Chelsea or City then?.....because of the outcome some (poss more than half) would opt for Chelsea.....remember Liverpool fans cheering for Blackburn when they won the league in 95, even though they were playing Liverpool.

You really need to get papa his own account mate. How can you have a reasoned debate when you don't know what you've said?

Changing the password might be an idea.

Which RiG do we get today?

Same as the real thing. There's the Home Robinho and the Away Robinho. Maybe the away Robinho is actually his daddy in disguise?

[shawzy]

Fook me..Iv seen it all now..Father and son sharing there account lol.WTF goin on eh :-)
There'll be bedtime stories next.

[Dunne's Half-Time Pint]

if by liverpool winning Hughes got the sack i would be shouting for Liverpool but i think he will last till the end of the season

I could never, ever, ever, ever shout for any team playing against City.

Very embarrassed to hear a Blue say this and there's a lot of Blues that will travelling to Anfield who would kick seven fuclin different colours of shite out of you if you got caught doing it.

Nuff said IMO.

I just want to clarify that the above RIG comment was made by his Dad, and his thinking behind that, was that if Liverpool won would guarentee Hughes the sack, it might not be a bad result getting beat, sometimes a defeat can be a positive.

As an example.....if we were safe and playing Chelsea last game of the season and a Chelsea win would win them the league and cost U***d the title, would you cheer for Chelsea or City then?.....because of the outcome some (poss more than half) would opt for Chelsea.....remember Liverpool fans cheering for Blackburn when they won the league in 95, even though they were playing Liverpool.

Stating that your Dad wrote that post does not change much does it.

Trying to wriggle out of it doesn't help your case either mate.

The scenario you suggest above is totally, totally, totally different to us playing only a third of a season in and cheering for us to to get beat today at Anfield, when we still have so much to play for this season.

Most City fans would kick fucl out of you if you cheered Liverpool on to beat us today and you'd be lucky to get out of the ground without requiring major hospital treatment.

I know of NO City fans other than you and your Dad that would even consider cheering on Liverpool today. Having said that, I'm not sure that you should be considered as City fans any more because you've overstepped the line in my oppinion.

I'll leave it up to the rest of the guys on here to see what they think but I am quite surprised that there's only me that has picked you up on your comment. Maybe they're just fed up of you?

He said he wanted us to lose the Hamburg game so that Hughes would be sacked. I called him a "soft twat" - I got a formal warning and was banned for a month a week later. Just foe him. Everybody foe him.

[edge275]

Guess I should make myself a resident here since we've been pigeon holed.

[bluej]

Guess I should make myself a resident here since we've been pigeon holed.

Seems like you're pigeon-holing yourself by using phrases such as that.

That's the problem with this debate. You're either a 'licker' or a 'hater' - you can't be objective.

[edge275]

Guess I should make myself a resident here since we've been pigeon holed.

Seems like you're pigeon-holing yourself by using phrases such as that.

That's the problem with this debate. You're either a 'licker' or a 'hater' - you can't be objective.

I actually meant 'we've' as in everyone.

[bluej]

Guess I should make myself a resident here since we've been pigeon holed.

Seems like you're pigeon-holing yourself by using phrases such as that.

That's the problem with this debate. You're either a 'licker' or a 'hater' - you can't be objective.

I actually meant 'we've' as in everyone.

Fair enough - i wasn't trying to stir.

[shawzy]

Hughes in :-)