Lee Croft Accused Of Racially Abusing A Ball Boy

[Foreverinbluedreams]

This is my point about racial abuse. The basic problem is the view that it is never justified. This is bollox. We are saying to black people, what ever sin you committ no one can call you a black coont. That is nonsense. You start insulting someone at the top of your fecking voice expect to get it back, as Anton did. This kid kicked the ball back to his home team rather than playing fair so expect a volley you stupid twat, not because you are black, because you are a twat.And then deal with the real racists properly, like these fecking murdering fecking serbians.

It is never ok to abuse somebody because of the colour of their skin. If you are in a row or disagreement with somebody, why bring their race in to it??

If you can't argue or fall out with somebody without bringing the colour of their skin in to it then you are a racist.

I don't disagree with that but why doesn't the same apply to nationality?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Then there's the point that should anyone be abusing ballBOYS at all. They are kids you know. If that was my lad, I would've personally gone and twatted Croft.

That's a great example you're setting there. It's alright for you to act the knob son, I'll twat anyone who gives you shit for it.

Act knob? Who is acting knob? The grown man houting abuse at the kid or the kid who kicked the ball wrong way? You will never catch me shouting abuse at children.

Someone ought to have set that clown Croft straight. If they had any courage it would've been someone from his own team.

I don't disagree with that but why doesn't the same apply to nationality?

Care to explain what is the point you are trying to make?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Then there's the point that should anyone be abusing ballBOYS at all. They are kids you know. If that was my lad, I would've personally gone and twatted Croft.

That's a great example you're setting there. It's alright for you to act the knob son, I'll twat anyone who gives you shit for it.

Act knob? Who is acting knob? The grown man houting abuse at the kid or the kid who kicked the ball wrong way? You will never catch me shouting abuse at children.

Someone ought to have set that clown Croft straight. If they had any courage it would've been someone from his own team.

I don't disagree with that but why doesn't the same apply to nationality?

Care to explain what is the point you are trying to make?

The kid is acting the knob.

I'm not making a point, I'm asking a question.

[Tokyo Blue]

If that was my lad, I would've personally gone and twatted Croft.

If it were my lad, he'd have given the ball back.

[Mase]

If it were my lad, he'd have given the ball back.

Bang on the money!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

If that was my lad, I would've personally gone and twatted Croft.

If it were my lad, he'd have given the ball back.

Well I try to teach him not to give the ball away!

[carl_feedthegoat]

If that was my lad, I would've personally gone and twatted Croft.

If it were my lad, he'd have given the ball back.

Spot on mate...and Im sure if it had of been your lad he would have got a thick ear when he got home whereas numbnuts above would probably have made him a warm drink with a cookie and got on the phone for a physcologist.

[Burt]

If it were my lad, he'd have given the ball back.

Bang on the money!

Ditto!!! And a very sobering point for some people if they understand it.

[carl_feedthegoat]

So from some of the comments above it is now deemed wrong and border line racism to say the following ;

1.Ginger cunt.

2.Orange head.

3.monkey (this is not racist if its aimed at a white person by a white person but is if its said from a coloured person to a white person or a white person to a coloured person....maybe someone can clarify)

4.Tree dweller

5.swamp monkey ( same rule as number 3)

6.Chimpanzee (same as number 3 and 5)

7.

8.

9.

I could go on and on and on and on and condemn all of you/us/them.

The fact of the matter is , and I have said this a zillion times , a RACIST and a non Racist is obvious to anyone with a decent amount of intelligence.

[Alex Sapphire]

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[Sister of fu]

My biggest bug bear with the whole racist thing is the double standards. Why is it ok for one black person to call another black person “nigger” and this is often used in music rap videos etc, but if a white artist did this there would be up roar.

A girl I played football with a Liverpool sent a tweet in regard to Drogba being a puff for diving in the Champions league Vs Barca and was subsequently sacked by Liverpool found a stupid amount of money and suspended from football for 6 games. This girl is a Lesbian. So by writes and the way the world currently works surely as a Lesbian she is entitled to call someone a puff because if she was a black rap star she would well be within her rights to call someone nigger and not be persecuted for it??

And please don’t get me started on the missus of the race card...........

[halnone]

My biggest bug bear with the whole racist thing is the double standards. Why is it ok for one black person to call another black person “nigger” and this is often used in music rap videos etc, but if a white artist did this there would be up roar.

A girl I played football with a Liverpool sent a tweet in regard to Drogba being a puff for diving in the Champions league Vs Barca and was subsequently sacked by Liverpool found a stupid amount of money and suspended from football for 6 games. This girl is a Lesbian. So by writes and the way the world currently works surely as a Lesbian she is entitled to call someone a puff because if she was a black rap star she would well be within her rights to call someone nigger and not be persecuted for it??

And please don’t get me started on the missus of the race card...........

because white people already had their turn to call black people "nigga" without repercussion.

[Sister of fu]

My biggest bug bear with the whole racist thing is the double standards. Why is it ok for one black person to call another black person “nigger” and this is often used in music rap videos etc, but if a white artist did this there would be up roar.

A girl I played football with a Liverpool sent a tweet in regard to Drogba being a puff for diving in the Champions league Vs Barca and was subsequently sacked by Liverpool found a stupid amount of money and suspended from football for 6 games. This girl is a Lesbian. So by writes and the way the world currently works surely as a Lesbian she is entitled to call someone a puff because if she was a black rap star she would well be within her rights to call someone nigger and not be persecuted for it??

And please don’t get me started on the missus of the race card...........

because white people already had their turn to call black people "nigga" without repercussion.

Two wrongs dont make a right as my Mum would say.

[Alioune DVToure]

My biggest bug bear with the whole racist thing is the double standards. Why is it ok for one black person to call another black person “nigger” and this is often used in music rap videos etc, but if a white artist did this there would be up roar.

A girl I played football with a Liverpool sent a tweet in regard to Drogba being a puff for diving in the Champions league Vs Barca and was subsequently sacked by Liverpool found a stupid amount of money and suspended from football for 6 games. This girl is a Lesbian. So by writes and the way the world currently works surely as a Lesbian she is entitled to call someone a puff because if she was a black rap star she would well be within her rights to call someone nigger and not be persecuted for it??

And please don’t get me started on the missus of the race card...........

Because 'nigger' was a deliberately offensive term - one used to establish social hierarchies on ethnic grounds - that black artists coopted and reconfigured. Of course it's more offensive coming from the mouth of a white person than a black person.

Gay people using terms such as 'faggy' is the same. If it comes from the mouth of a straight person it's usually derogatory - or at least has a long history of having been so.

[Sister of fu]

My biggest bug bear with the whole racist thing is the double standards. Why is it ok for one black person to call another black person “nigger” and this is often used in music rap videos etc, but if a white artist did this there would be up roar.

A girl I played football with a Liverpool sent a tweet in regard to Drogba being a puff for diving in the Champions league Vs Barca and was subsequently sacked by Liverpool found a stupid amount of money and suspended from football for 6 games. This girl is a Lesbian. So by writes and the way the world currently works surely as a Lesbian she is entitled to call someone a puff because if she was a black rap star she would well be within her rights to call someone nigger and not be persecuted for it??

And please don’t get me started on the missus of the race card...........

Because 'nigger' was a deliberately offensive term - one used to establish social hierarchies on ethnic grounds - that black artists coopted and reconfigured. Of course it's more offensive coming from the mouth of a white person than a black person.

Gay people using terms such as 'faggy' is the same. If it comes from the mouth of a straight person it's usually derogatory - or at least has a long history of having been so.

It's a right load of bollocks that its fine for one of my gay mates to call me a dyke but if you did that you could be construed as homophobic.

[john68]

Because 'nigger' was a deliberately offensive term - one used to establish social hierarchies on ethnic grounds - that black artists coopted and reconfigured. Of course it's more offensive coming from the mouth of a white person than a black person.

Gay people using terms such as 'faggy' is the same. If it comes from the mouth of a straight person it's usually derogatory - or at least has a long history of having been so.

This may shock you to the bones my friend but your statement is actually a racist statement in itself. Any judgement made on the grounds of race is discriminatory.
I fully understand the historic offensiveness of these words but to judge a word used in the present time only by its historic use is wrong. Far too much focus is put on words used themselves, whilst ignoring the context and intent behind those words at the time they are used.

That a black person may use such words to another black person without giving offence, whereas a white person MUST be being offensive is to assume that a white person cannot be trusted to use those words in an inoffensive manner.

I have a massive respect for Sister of Fu and would not seek to hurt her in any way. She is a lovely young person. I am quite sure that I could be trusted to joke about her lesbianism (and possibly already have), without her taking offence. My many Asian friends and colleagues often banter about our ethnicity and steriotypes. All in good humour with absolutely no offence being taken whatsoever.
I have Jewish friends who love Jewish jokes and find some of them hilarious and there are plenty of Paddies and Micks who have celebrated telling me Irish jokes.
It is all about context, intent....and TRUST.

[Mase]

I have Jewish friends who love Jewish jokes and find some of them hilarious and there are plenty of Paddies and Micks who have celebrated telling me Irish jokes.
It is all about context, intent....and TRUST.

Genuine question; with the Jews thing wouldn't it just be discrimination? Or would it genuinely be classed as racist? Because absolutely anyone could turn to Judaism.

[King Kev]

My biggest bug bear with the whole racist thing is the double standards. Why is it ok for one black person to call another black person “nigger” and this is often used in music rap videos etc, but if a white artist did this there would be up roar.

A girl I played football with a Liverpool sent a tweet in regard to Drogba being a puff for diving in the Champions league Vs Barca and was subsequently sacked by Liverpool found a stupid amount of money and suspended from football for 6 games. This girl is a Lesbian. So by writes and the way the world currently works surely as a Lesbian she is entitled to call someone a puff because if she was a black rap star she would well be within her rights to call someone nigger and not be persecuted for it??

And please don’t get me started on the missus of the race card...........

Because 'nigger' was a deliberately offensive term - one used to establish social hierarchies on ethnic grounds - that black artists coopted and reconfigured. Of course it's more offensive coming from the mouth of a white person than a black person.

Gay people using terms such as 'faggy' is the same. If it comes from the mouth of a straight person it's usually derogatory - or at least has a long history of having been so.

It's a right load of bollocks that its fine for one of my gay mates to call me a dyke but if you did that you could be construed as homophobic.

It does seem crazy that if you are part of the same 'group' you can say what you like but if not you have to be very careful.

Most Jewish comedians tell jokes about Jews, Black comedians often joke about their colour, gay comedians will take the piss out of their sexual orientation, etc, etc and everybody is allowed to laugh. It's only when you take the piss out of another section of society that it is deemed wrong.

For the record, if anybody wants to take the piss out of me for being male/white/straight/English/Christian (lapsed) I have no problem with it.

[Alioune DVToure]

This may shock you to the bones my friend but your statement is actually a racist statement in itself. Any judgement made on the grounds of race is discriminatory.
I fully understand the historic offensiveness of these words but to judge a word used in the present time only by its historic use is wrong. Far too much focus is put on words used themselves, whilst ignoring the context and intent behind those words at the time they are used.

That a black person may use such words to another black person without giving offence, whereas a white person MUST be being offensive is to assume that a white person cannot be trusted to use those words in an inoffensive manner.

I have a massive respect for Sister of Fu and would not seek to hurt her in any way. She is a lovely young person. I am quite sure that I could be trusted to joke about her lesbianism (and possibly already have), without her taking offence. My many Asian friends and colleagues often banter about our ethnicity and steriotypes. All in good humour with absolutely no offence being taken whatsoever.
I have Jewish friends who love Jewish jokes and find some of them hilarious and there are plenty of Paddies and Micks who have celebrated telling me Irish jokes.
It is all about context, intent....and TRUST.

I'm sorry but, respectfully, I don't agree with that at all.

And as for you being able to joke about SoF's lesbianism, that's because she's your friend and anything said between friends has an entirely different dynamic. If I made a remark of a similar nature, she might reasonably think I was being disrespectful or deliberately offensive, or that I was a homophobic prick. Even if she didn't, there are many people who would. We can't just have open season on historically offensive language because we think those on the receiving end should have a good enough sense of humour to deal with it. They decide if it's offensive, not us.

[ashton287]

Two wrongs dont make a right as my Mum would say.

And you still turned out to be a lesbian.

Anyway we have rapists in football without anyone batting an eyelid. Cunts drink driving and hurting people and themselves. Players representing brands that use forced/child labour to make their shit. Players cheating on their wives. Fans stabbing, hurting and killing each other.

Football is a sinkhole of moral depravity. It's nothing new.