Lee Croft Accused Of Racially Abusing A Ball Boy

[Cocacolajojo1]

My biggest bug bear with the whole racist thing is the double standards. Why is it ok for one black person to call another black person “nigger” and this is often used in music rap videos etc, but if a white artist did this there would be up roar.

A girl I played football with a Liverpool sent a tweet in regard to Drogba being a puff for diving in the Champions league Vs Barca and was subsequently sacked by Liverpool found a stupid amount of money and suspended from football for 6 games. This girl is a Lesbian. So by writes and the way the world currently works surely as a Lesbian she is entitled to call someone a puff because if she was a black rap star she would well be within her rights to call someone nigger and not be persecuted for it??

And please don’t get me started on the missus of the race card...........

Because 'nigger' was a deliberately offensive term - one used to establish social hierarchies on ethnic grounds - that black artists coopted and reconfigured. Of course it's more offensive coming from the mouth of a white person than a black person.

Gay people using terms such as 'faggy' is the same. If it comes from the mouth of a straight person it's usually derogatory - or at least has a long history of having been so.

It's a right load of bollocks that its fine for one of my gay mates to call me a dyke but if you did that you could be construed as homophobic.

It does seem that you think it's ok to joke about anything as long as it's not dyslexia. Is that corrcet?

[Nigels Tackle]

My biggest bug bear with the whole racist thing is the double standards. Why is it ok for one black person to call another black person “nigger” and this is often used in music rap videos etc, but if a white artist did this there would be up roar.

A girl I played football with a Liverpool sent a tweet in regard to Drogba being a puff for diving in the Champions league Vs Barca and was subsequently sacked by Liverpool found a stupid amount of money and suspended from football for 6 games. This girl is a Lesbian. So by writes and the way the world currently works surely as a Lesbian she is entitled to call someone a puff because if she was a black rap star she would well be within her rights to call someone nigger and not be persecuted for it??

And please don’t get me started on the missus of the race card...........

Because 'nigger' was a deliberately offensive term - one used to establish social hierarchies on ethnic grounds - that black artists coopted and reconfigured. Of course it's more offensive coming from the mouth of a white person than a black person.

Gay people using terms such as 'faggy' is the same. If it comes from the mouth of a straight person it's usually derogatory - or at least has a long history of having been so.

It's a right load of bollocks that its fine for one of my gay mates to call me a dyke but if you did that you could be construed as homophobic.

It does seem that you think it's ok to joke about anything as long as it's not dyslexia. Is that corrcet?

did you do that on purpose or are you just thick?

[Sister of fu]

My biggest bug bear with the whole racist thing is the double standards. Why is it ok for one black person to call another black person “nigger” and this is often used in music rap videos etc, but if a white artist did this there would be up roar.

A girl I played football with a Liverpool sent a tweet in regard to Drogba being a puff for diving in the Champions league Vs Barca and was subsequently sacked by Liverpool found a stupid amount of money and suspended from football for 6 games. This girl is a Lesbian. So by writes and the way the world currently works surely as a Lesbian she is entitled to call someone a puff because if she was a black rap star she would well be within her rights to call someone nigger and not be persecuted for it??

And please don’t get me started on the missus of the race card...........

Because 'nigger' was a deliberately offensive term - one used to establish social hierarchies on ethnic grounds - that black artists coopted and reconfigured. Of course it's more offensive coming from the mouth of a white person than a black person.

Gay people using terms such as 'faggy' is the same. If it comes from the mouth of a straight person it's usually derogatory - or at least has a long history of having been so.

It's a right load of bollocks that its fine for one of my gay mates to call me a dyke but if you did that you could be construed as homophobic.

It does seem that you think it's ok to joke about anything as long as it's not dyslexia. Is that corrcet?

Why where I'm I joking here?.

[john68]

ADVT,
You prove my point Mate. I never suggested "open season on any historically offensive language". If the context, intent or (as you add, dynamic) is offensive, then it is what it is and indefensible.
I was asserting that it is entirely possibly to use that language in a none offensive way, dependent on context, intent and as you add, the dynamic of the relationship. The rule that it is ok for a gay person or black person to use an offensive term to another of the same group is a nonsense. It is not ok if the intent is to cause offence. Again entirely dependent on the intent and context.
To consider that a white person cannot have the same sort of relationship with a black person, is itself a judgement made solely based on race and therefore discriminatory.

Mase.
Both Mate. Jewishness can be defined by race and/or religion.

[Alioune DVToure]

ADVT,
You prove my point Mate. I never suggested "open season on any historically offensive language". If the context, intent or (as you add, dynamic) is offensive, then it is what it is and indefensible.
I was asserting that it is entirely possibly to use that language in a none offensive way, dependent on context, intent and as you add, the dynamic of the relationship. The rule that it is ok for a gay person or black person to use an offensive term to another of the same group is a nonsense. It is not ok if the intent is to cause offence. Again entirely dependent on the intent and context.
To consider that a white person cannot have the same sort of relationship with a black person, is itself a judgement made solely based on race and therefore discriminatory.

Mase.
Both Mate. Jewishness can be defined by race and/or religion.

How can a black/gay person possibly offend another black/gay person by calling them 'nigger'/'faggot'? It can only ever be knowing and a term of endearment in that context. Not so when coming from an outsider, unless between friends.

[Mase]

How can a black/gay person possibly offend another black/gay person by calling them 'nigger'/'faggot'? It can only ever be knowing and a term of endearment in that context. Not so when coming from an outsider, unless between friends.

So if there was a black, Jewish gay guy he could basically so whatever he wanted to say?

[Alioune DVToure]

So if there was a black, Jewish gay guy he could basically so whatever he wanted to say?

To another gay, black, Jewish fella, yeah!

[Fidel Castro]

So if there was a black, Jewish gay guy he could basically so whatever he wanted to say?

That dickhead rapper/singer (dont really know what he is cos he sucks at both rapping and singing yet is somehow dead popular) Drake is a mixed-race Jewish gay. Lucky guy

[Alioune DVToure]

Stevie Wonder slates blind Af-Am Jews like there's no tomorrow.

[john68]

Do black or gay people never fall out or insult each other?

Three weeks ago, on St Anne's Street (near the Circle Club), I witnessed a full on and very violent fight between two groups of young black guys. Both groups used racist terms against each other. There was certainly intent to insult/offend and those terms were used to add weight/depth to their offensiveness to each other.

Is it really ok for racist terms to be used offensively by black people on black people? Should racial terms been used at all? Does friendly fire hurt or offend less?

I would agree that we are all born DIFFERENT, but all are born EQUAL and we should all respect that fact. To make any judgement or discriminate based solely on the superficial parameters of race, sexual orientation, gender, physical ability or anything else, is wrong. There is no such thing as friendly fire. All offence and insult causes pain.

(except when dealing with rags, who don't qualify. as they are sub human...:-)).....or referees!!!!!!

[Cocacolajojo1]

You're all forgetting that people who insult everyone usually get away with it. Seth Macfarlane, Sarah Silverman, Ricky Gervais could, really, all be the most bigotted people in the world but because they insult everything and everyone insultable, they get away with it. The solution is therefore to insult as much as possible.

You heard it here first.

[sandman]

You're all forgetting that people who insult everyone usually get away with it. Seth Macfarlane, Sarah Silverman, Ricky Gervais could, really, all be the most bigotted people in the world but because they insult everything and everyone insultable, they get away with it. The solution is therefore to insult as much as possible.

You heard it here first.

Actually, Mel Brookes said it first, I cannot remember the actual quote but it is along the lines of;

"If everybody is offended, then nobody is"

The best thing about Mel Brookes is that half of the people that laugh at his humour dont realise that their attitude is the intended pun yet they laugh along without seeing between the lines.

Blazing Saddles and The Producers were so wrong yet so right.

[Londonblue]

LULZ at some people A) siding with Croft B) questioning whether he racially abused him.... I mean did you see how the kid reacted?

Croft is a fucking racist cunt. End of.

Where as you appear to be a fine upstanding sort of individual

[john68]

Antti,
It may be the way of things in Finland to take someone out into the pine forest and lose them Mate but I personally would rather wait and see what the evidence might be before finding him guilty.

[Chinners]

Antti,
It may be the way of things in Finland to take someone out into the pine forest and lose them Mate but I personally would rather wait and see what the evidence might be before finding him guilty.

Agreed

[Mase]

Antti,
It may be the way of things in Finland to take someone out into the pine forest and lose them Mate but I personally would rather wait and see what the evidence might be before finding him guilty.

They should have filmed Mystic River in Finland I tell ya!!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

LULZ at some people A) siding with Croft B) questioning whether he racially abused him.... I mean did you see how the kid reacted?

Croft is a fucking racist cunt. End of.

Where as you appear to be a fine upstanding sort of individual

What the hell? When have I racially abused anyone? In fact, when have I ever insulted underage kids?

Yeah, never. That's when.

[BlueinBosnia]

ADVT,
You prove my point Mate. I never suggested "open season on any historically offensive language". If the context, intent or (as you add, dynamic) is offensive, then it is what it is and indefensible.
I was asserting that it is entirely possibly to use that language in a none offensive way, dependent on context, intent and as you add, the dynamic of the relationship. The rule that it is ok for a gay person or black person to use an offensive term to another of the same group is a nonsense. It is not ok if the intent is to cause offence. Again entirely dependent on the intent and context.
To consider that a white person cannot have the same sort of relationship with a black person, is itself a judgement made solely based on race and therefore discriminatory.

Mase.
Both Mate. Jewishness can be defined by race and/or religion.

How can a black/gay person possibly offend another black/gay person by calling them 'nigger'/'faggot'? It can only ever be knowing and a term of endearment in that context. Not so when coming from an outsider, unless between friends.

I don't agree there, sorry. My Cameroonian friend uses the word 'nigger' disparagingly toward black Africans who swallow up African-American culture.

[Nigels Tackle]

LULZ at some people A) siding with Croft B) questioning whether he racially abused him.... I mean did you see how the kid reacted?

Croft is a fucking racist cunt. End of.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20080734

eskimo fuckwit

[john68]

Antti,

We don't know what words were used that caused upset and whilst I have no doubt that Croft was insulting, there is no proof he was racist.
That the kid was upset, there is no doubt but he could have been upset by remarks and the manner that they were delivered that were not racist...just intimidating and abusive.

I am sure Mr Croft will happily accept you apology and consider the matter closed.
We, on the other hand may remember and use this in the future to batter your head with...:-)
Cos though I am not racist, I am a cunt....:-)