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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:07 pm

Hazy2 wrote:one thing we are lacking is mobility all over the pich and for me a lack of pace. What we did last night was allow them to get a a tempo, we had the game by the throat at 1-0 and fucked it up. I have no beef with any of the players, what has riled me is the easy way in which European teams are getting at us, Madrid went for us we should have won, Dortmund sussed us and Ajax out worked and out thought us when we should have allowed our game to take over after a period of look and see we allowed it to happen, so Roberto needs to sort it, the centrehalfs were marking space all night and 1-3 is the reult, but to balance it we missed 3 one on one's, Kun looked lost and the word Chaos was what ensued. Not good enough for the star quality of our squad. Ted I will state this now, Madrid will be more of a threat at our place than they were at The Bernabao, and even a drubbing might happen if we are not at it.



Why, away from home in Europe, is the space in front of Lescott & Vinny empty of City players ?

Why aren't there 3 players there in a line. stopping runs or shots from the oppo, with strikers also nipping at their ankles trying to pinch the ball ? Why did a cross come into that area, resulting in a goal, with Milner & barry desperately trying to get into a position to deal with it running towards their own goal ? Why were those two, plus Yaya, not there already, coming out rather than going in ?

Why did Cavani get to score the same goal from the same area on the other side of the box last season ? Why was Ribery allowed to cut in & shoot from the edge of our box last season, ten Real Madrid players & the WBA bloke all allowed to cut in & shoot from there this season ? The players involved are all different.

Other teams have a wall of players in that area trying to block everything & break from there. When we are a goal up, just before half time in an away game, why have we got an empty space there, which a bloke can run into & score ?
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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby Superbia » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:15 pm

our blackline should be zabs richards komps clichy
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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby Hazy2 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:28 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:one thing we are lacking is mobility all over the pich and for me a lack of pace. What we did last night was allow them to get a a tempo, we had the game by the throat at 1-0 and fucked it up. I have no beef with any of the players, what has riled me is the easy way in which European teams are getting at us, Madrid went for us we should have won, Dortmund sussed us and Ajax out worked and out thought us when we should have allowed our game to take over after a period of look and see we allowed it to happen, so Roberto needs to sort it, the centrehalfs were marking space all night and 1-3 is the reult, but to balance it we missed 3 one on one's, Kun looked lost and the word Chaos was what ensued. Not good enough for the star quality of our squad. Ted I will state this now, Madrid will be more of a threat at our place than they were at The Bernabao, and even a drubbing might happen if we are not at it.



Why, away from home in Europe, is the space in front of Lescott & Vinny empty of City players ?

Why aren't there 3 players there in a line. stopping runs or shots from the oppo, with strikers also nipping at their ankles trying to pinch the ball ? Why did a cross come into that area, resulting in a goal, with Milner & barry desperately trying to get into a position to deal with it running towards their own goal ? Why were those two, plus Yaya, not there already, coming out rather than going in ?

Why did Cavani get to score the same goal from the same area on the other side of the box last season ? Why was Ribery allowed to cut in & shoot from the edge of our box last season, ten Real Madrid players & the WBA bloke all allowed to cut in & shoot from there this season ? The players involved are all different.

Other teams have a wall of players in that area trying to block everything & break from there. When we are a goal up, just before half time in an away game, why have we got an empty space there, which a bloke can run into & score ?


for me we are passive, almost to the point of we have our instructions from the manager, it's crap it aint gonna work so it is not our fault, Souness made a great comment last night, "Top players work it out for themselfs" Well we don't. De Jong saw problems extinguished is before it became a problem unseen by many but lacking now, IMHO Vinny is pissed off with the tinkering and his best mate going. We struggled with Villareal and Rossi who ran off us all night on his own, Both Vinny and Lescott were dodgy Napoli ran diagnal runs all night at our place, we all new away they would casuse us major problems Bobby got it wrong and again this year we are being done by similar things. When Nasri scored i thought we look like job don and dropped off from that point and we never got going again bar 2 mins of the 2nd half
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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby Crossie » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:29 pm

Superbia wrote:our blackline should be zabs richards komps clichy



whatever it is, it should be given a long run of games to become a unit. No more chopping and changing. Randomly dropping the full backs or totally changing the CB paring at short notice.

In times of crisis (which these actually arent) you should move to 4-4-2 and settle the team with the same 11 players.
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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby PALUS » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:06 am

Fuckin rags from my town i got 10 msg only from one, like" 4 Forwards i saw that one time in that stupid movie where is RAMBO a goalkeeper lol."or "u see money can get u only so much". But i can say i did not deserve it from what i was doing at 1 6 and at the end of the season. I just do not know what is with defence i know that in CL our midefild just push ball back and is Yaya injure last night, he look like he cant run , i m so puzzle whit this enigma, last season Le scot- Vinny and this season.I doubt that that Ajax is better then West Brom , they have some play but in reality they have 4, 5 maybe 6 not even great chances and they score 3 time.But what is done it s done , forget CL this season and try come back in P.L.and we should try to bring one Silva like player Nasri is not near him and can replace him , i think that transfers so late create a lot of problems for Bob because i do no think so he would buy this i he start buying at wright time. Even i think Bob is litlle lost now he did bring FA and Title and i m litlle confused why some players talk something that is not good for club and give the chance assholes in news to feed on that .We should try to catch that form until it s to late and for me our back is big is big problem we still score enough goals no , but only one clean sheet , that is bad.
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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby Renato_CTID » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:11 am

A real Italian nightmare for all Italian Blue Mooners last Amsterdam fiasco! Come on Mancio, did you forget how we need to play football?
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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby Duckman » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:24 am

not a bad presser from mancini after the one in Amsterdam where he looked totally lost.
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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:57 pm

Renato_CTID wrote:A real Italian nightmare for all Italian Blue Mooners last Amsterdam fiasco! Come on Mancio, did you forget how we need to play football?

are you suggesting to offload Allegri to us , instead?

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby Renato_CTID » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:01 pm

Mancio4ever wrote:
Renato_CTID wrote:A real Italian nightmare for all Italian Blue Mooners last Amsterdam fiasco! Come on Mancio, did you forget how we need to play football?

are you suggesting to offload Allegri to us , instead?


Absolutely no, mate! I think only Luciano Spalletti actually manager of Zenith could take the job, even if I'm hardly hoping Bobby Manc would learn something special from his last mistakes!
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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:31 am

I really enjoyed reading this article..some home truths TBF.

The finger of blame will only point at you, Roberto
By DES KELLY
PUBLISHED: 22:06 GMT, 26 October 2012 | UPDATED: 00:00 GMT, 27 October 2012


The trouble with accepting your share of the blame is there is always someone ready to serve you another helping. The problem with telling everyone it’s entirely your fault is they will believe it.
Roberto Mancini offered up a very public mea culpa this week. After a miserable night in Amsterdam, the Manchester City manager confessed the defeat against Ajax and the crumbling Champions League campaign were down to him.
'I take full responsibility,' he said. 'I didn’t prepare properly for the game'. This seemed a startling admission. At best, it sounded as if he was trying to draw the flak away from some dismal performances by key players. At worst, it made him sound distinctly unprofessional.


The blame game is certainly a dangerous business. Owen Coyle also said recently he took 'full responsibility' for Bolton Wanderers' woes - and was duly sacked. When boxer Amir Khan lost his fight to Danny Garcia, he declared: 'I'm taking the whole blame' - and promptly dumped his trainer Freddie Roach. So, as Oscar Wilde said, 'It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you place the blame.'
Mancini knew exactly where he wanted to dump his. He didn’t mean a word of the guilt trip and the ‘I Messed Up’ headlines belied his true feelings. These were laid bare by one pointed post-match remark. ‘I don’t know why Joleon Lescott doesn’t jump for the second goal,’ he said. ‘Blame me. I am the manager’.
That is Mancini saying: I am carrying the can for this squad’s inability to perform. And that uneasy resentment bubbled to the surface again in yesterday’s press conference.
Having heard Micah Richards express bewilderment at a late switch to employing three defenders against Ajax, Mancini responded: 'If you are a top player it is not important what system you use. If you don’t understand a system like that, you cannot play for a top team.’
It is a clear accusation that some of his players are too stupid to adapt to a different system during a match. He has a point, too. But whether the manager should be saying it out loud is another matter entirely.
This is where Mancini shoots himself in the foot. He says tactics don’t matter, but makes wholesale tactical changes. He says spirit is more important than ability in the Champions League, but then insists quality players are the key. He says the team should understand what he is being asked of them, but brings in a new defensive coach — Angelo Gregucci — who struggles to speak English.
It’s a muddle of emotional and tactical contradictions. Players always seize on any excuse for their failings. Not enough of them are personally accountable and the only time the buck stops with certain footballers is when it’s jammed into a pole dancer’s G-string.
But even so, Mancini cannot resist stirring up the tension in his dressing room. His touchline gesticulations and histrionics, slating the likes of Joe Hart for daring to express his disappointment after a match, the jokes about how Balotelli's psychiatrist needs two psychiatrists, the solemn pledges never to use Carlos Tevez again and subsequent U-turn, the public dressing downs for players he believes are under-performing — they all drive a wedge between him and the team.


Let us not overstate the case. Some of the reports that a 'mutiny' is under way are exaggerated. Mancini has also won three trophies since he arrived at City and his club remain unbeaten in the Premier League this season, with an opportunity to make up ground this weekend with Chelsea hosting Manchester United.
But the fact the City boss still appears to find it difficult to communicate with his players, either because he doesn’t trust or like them, is an ongoing concern. It’s bearable if results are good.
But if it means his title defence starts slipping in the same direction as his Champions League campaign, everyone will know exactly where to point the finger of blame.
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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby Ted Hughes » Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:54 am

This was something I was thinking and haven't had chance to get all the details, a really low spot for me.

I wasn't sure if the comments about Lescott 'not jumping' were press bullshit but apparently not.

Bob took on the blame and took the pressure off his players but then when the whole football world & some of his players agreed it was actually his fault, it's like; "woah, I didn't really mean it, they were actually to blame".

Comes accross as a bit of a wanker.
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Re: The Defence and Mancini.

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:02 am

Ted Hughes wrote:This was something I was thinking and haven't had chance to get all the details, a really low spot for me.

I wasn't sure if the comments about Lescott 'not jumping' were press bullshit but apparently not.

Bob took on the blame and took the pressure off his players but then when the whole football world & some of his players agreed it was actually his fault, it's like; "woah, I didn't really mean it, they were actually to blame".

Comes accross as a bit of a wanker.


He is a wanker...but he is not far off the truth imo.
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