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Re: Trust

Postby mr_nool » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:19 pm

walmai wrote:By way of caveat, I didn't see the match against Ajax, although I've read more than one account of it, on here and in the paper.

Trust could perhaps be said to be something arising out of sense of both discipline and reliability. For example, you'd probably have said that last year Swansea's squad trusted Brendan Rogers. They had spent time as a squad being coached in a fairly precise manner, could rely on his methods - especially when they led to good results - and understood their individual roles (and that they forged the team spirit).

I detect two things as an outside observer for City, Mancini and his squad.

1. Some players may have stayed silent at the time, but would have expected their coach to be true to his word that (paraphrasing) Tevez was finished at the club. If the despised Taggart said that, there's no way he would let events contradict him. It shows weakness. I know you'll be thinking that Rooney sailed close to the wind in that regard, but Taggart never made such a bold declaration. Actions speak louder than words. Tevez back in the fold imo leaves Mancini on shaky ground.

2. Mancini is not ice-cool in times of crisis. A bit of old-fashioned panic may have arisen on Weds, if the reports of the constant chopping and changing of positions/roles for the players is accurate. Again, if a player - or, worse still, a whole team - is confused as to what is expected, he will lose trust in the person giving the orders.

This season will prove harder for Mancini than the last, or the one before that. If this board on Weds is anything to go by, he now has a heavy weight of the expectation of continued, even expanded, success on his shoulders. However, saying that, I still see you as only really getting going domestically. It would still in most neutrals eyes represent a success for Mancini if he repeated his title-winning exploits this time around, even if he doesn't go any further in Europe*. Its just that he needs the trust of his biggest performers in order to have a good shot at that.


*On that point, I reckon he'd privately prefer to come 4th in the CL group than face the Thurs trek on the Europa for the rest of the season.


That was very much the case on Wednesday.

Taking Lescott off for Kolarov was a very strange decision. If he wanted to play 3-5-2 and push the team up, we would have been much better off just pushing Clichy up the pitch or swapping him straight off for Kolarov, leaving us a back three of Kompany, Lescott and Richard. My theory is that he hoped for a set-pieces wonder from kolarov to save the day (once again). And that's ot even mentioning the idiocy of switching to 3-5-2 in the first place.

Playing with Tevez, Dzeko, Balo and Aguero for so long was pure panic as well and not a very wise move. We had all these forwards on the pitch, but no one to give them the ball. the back 3 was stuck passing the ball side ways with no midfielders to collect the ball.
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Re: Trust

Postby Blue Since 76 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:26 pm

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Mancio, I've just said elsewhere that imo, we had actually started to play as we should & were looking like the team we can be. Then JL dropped a bollock at the corner & Bob destroyed the team rather than let them fight back.

I agree that the talk of special tactics for the Champions League is a load of bollocks but the players and manager seem to perform below standard as soon as they hear the theme music.

We all have our opinions on Gary Neville but he has played a lot of games in the Champions Lg & he was stating on commentary that City would hammer Ajax if they just played like they do every week & put them to the sword. Imo, we wer doing exactly that when JL fucked up that corner kick. All e had to do, was continue playing the same way & imo we would have got at least one, probably two goals back.


Was saying about the need to not change tactics at work yesterday. If we were a more typical premier league side who usually had no more than 55% possession, then yes, we'd need to change, or we'd be knackered after an hour chasing shadows and would then be taken apart. But we are the European team. Look at our possession stats. Saw something today that we've scored 41% of our goals this season in the last 15 minutes of games this season.

For the last three games he should try playing in our usual way. If we go out, we go out, but we'll go out if he plays in his usual European way anyway.
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Re: Trust

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:48 pm

walmai wrote:By way of caveat, I didn't see the match against Ajax

spot on.
the Sun comes from London, anyway.
average Clubs can take ungrown players performing once every forthnight and accept their moanings. top Clubs need top professionals, featuring all qualities which define winners, week in or out.
11 supposed world beaters were infront, in a pivotal game for the Club, facing a 11 players of remarkably less quality, getting scared and demoted when they conceded the goal. ManUre, Bayern, Barca, old AC Milan, Juventus and the likes would have cruised from then on.
almost the same 11 supposed world beaters, just 4 days before, went down to 10 men on the ground of the most on form English team, also facing the twattemburg clown, but they've just fought till the end and won. Is that because of difference in pressure from and ordinary league game to a must win CL fixture in front of the attending world or are You seriously suggesting that mancini told 'em to fight and win at the Hawthorns and to stroll like pussies at the Dam Arena.
In the the first case, they can all fuck off to WHUFC, cuz they are not stuff good enough for MCFC.


and please, next time, come and tell us that a team on a 2,5 payroll per week, underperformed like that shite because Mancini made a foul of himself by being fotographed like this:
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thanks for interesting comments.

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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Re: Trust

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:50 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Mancio, I've just said elsewhere that imo, we had actually started to play as we should & were looking like the team we can be. Then JL dropped a bollock at the corner & Bob destroyed the team rather than let them fight back.

I agree that the talk of special tactics for the Champions League is a load of bollocks but the players and manager seem to perform below standard as soon as they hear the theme music.

We all have our opinions on Gary Neville but he has played a lot of games in the Champions Lg & he was stating on commentary that City would hammer Ajax if they just played like they do every week & put them to the sword. Imo, we wer doing exactly that when JL fucked up that corner kick. All e had to do, was continue playing the same way & imo we would have got at least one, probably two goals back.


Was saying about the need to not change tactics at work yesterday. If we were a more typical premier league side who usually had no more than 55% possession, then yes, we'd need to change, or we'd be knackered after an hour chasing shadows and would then be taken apart. But we are the European team. Look at our possession stats. Saw something today that we've scored 41% of our goals this season in the last 15 minutes of games this season.

For the last three games he should try playing in our usual way. If we go out, we go out, but we'll go out if he plays in his usual European way anyway.


so, basically, we should act like a fucking West Ham United, just for not bothering 'em tioo much.
top strategy, Mate: full marks.
will certainly get top with these benchmarks.

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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there must be some truth, then!
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Re: Trust

Postby walmai » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:52 pm

Mancio4ever wrote:and please, next time, come and tell us that a team on a 2,5 payroll per week, underperformed like that shite because Mancini made a foul of himself by being fotographed

thanks for interesting comments.


I honestly don't know what you mean there, mate, sorry, but what they earn is relevant only to a point. QPR pay their rag-tag bunch of journeymen top dollar.
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Re: Trust

Postby walmai » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:53 pm

Mancio4ever wrote:so, basically, we should act like a fucking West Ham United



You can't buy class, mate.
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Re: Trust

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:02 pm

walmai wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:and please, next time, come and tell us that a team on a 2,5 payroll per week, underperformed like that shite because Mancini made a foul of himself by being fotographed

thanks for interesting comments.


I honestly don't know what you mean there, mate, sorry, but what they earn is relevant only to a point. QPR pay their rag-tag bunch of journeymen top dollar.


walmai wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:so, basically, we should act like a fucking West Ham United



[highlight]You can't buy class[/highlight], mate.


in fact, I personally don't feel any particular need to have a cockney poping in every half a year to spread tabloids' shite in order to undermine our camp.
I still remember pretty well almost all Your visits, just following any supposed rifts reported by your feeders from Carrington.
We will make our way and talks on the pitch, against all odds, as usual, without buying anything.

cheers

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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Re: Trust

Postby mr_nool » Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:22 pm

Mancio4ever wrote:
walmai wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:and please, next time, come and tell us that a team on a 2,5 payroll per week, underperformed like that shite because Mancini made a foul of himself by being fotographed

thanks for interesting comments.


I honestly don't know what you mean there, mate, sorry, but what they earn is relevant only to a point. QPR pay their rag-tag bunch of journeymen top dollar.


walmai wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:so, basically, we should act like a fucking West Ham United



[highlight]You can't buy class[/highlight], mate.


in fact, I personally don't feel any particular need to have a cockney poping in every half a year to spread tabloids' shite in order to undermine our camp.
I still remember pretty well almost all Your visits, just following any supposed rifts reported by your feeders from Carrington.
We will make our way and talks on the pitch, against all odds, as usual, without buying anything.

cheers


Sorry mate, but I thought all the points he brought up were valid. I enjoy getting fans from other teams on this site, and in particular Walmai who is a sensible guy with a sense for humour.

You were probably joking, but my sarcasm filter isn't working too well at the end of a horrible work week.
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Re: Trust

Postby walmai » Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:27 pm

Mancio4ever wrote:
cheers


I was only messing. Not meaning to offend. Apologies.
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Re: Trust

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:16 pm

walmai wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:
cheers


I was only messing. Not meaning to offend. Apologies.

me too.
perhaps i'm too sensible since wednesday's night let down.
sincere apologies if I went ott, then.

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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