Ted Hughes wrote:Alioune DVToure wrote:Mancio4ever wrote:
Mate, this Mancini ain't good for Europe is utter crap...
A "manager" is either good or not good wherever a ball roll on a grass pitch.
Sorry pal but I don't agree with that at all. First off, loads of managers have shown themselves to be more adept at guiding teams through knockout competitions than through regular-season championships, and vice versa.
As for Mancini and Europe, I honestly think he doesn't do his homework on the opposition. Napoli, Dortmund and Ajax are all inferior sides but all three have walked through us in the last twelve months (let's not pretend that the Dortmund game was anything other than a dry bumming). Why have they been able to do that? Because Mancini fucks around with a winning formula and they exploit our weaknesses. I know you love the guy but even you have to admit that a nine year-old with severe learning difficulties wouldn't have made as big a mess of things as Mancini did on Wednesday. The Lescott/Clichy nonsense was insanity.
I don't want him gone, not by a long shot. But he's making a pig's ear of our Champions League bid. Again.
This is absolutely, 100% true & most people on the planet know it.
Losing any game can happen. Losing a game as a complete fucking mess, is wrong.
I was saying this last year starting when we played Napoli. We were playing well in the league but were a disorganised pile of utter shite v Napoli. People were claiming Napoli were some kind of super team, full of players we should sign & that the Premier League was shite. Then a much inferior Chelsea team beat them comfortably.
Bob has been shite in Europe. He needs to improve. The team is his team, the players are his players, the systems are his systems. He has had the chance to sell, buy & teach, just like Dortmund or Napoli's managers. We are not asking for perfection here & winning the trophy, just competence & a reasonable showing.
Ted, Alioune,
despite being a genuine progressive, I don't give a shit of what most people
believe it's true since the late part of my youth: the majority of the people of my own Country have believed for the last 2 decades that Silvio Berlusconi was a successful "businessman" and a
"liberal!" , just for a say. Many and many people in England believe in what they read on tabloids.
I only acknowledge what I think it true.
I have argued Mancini capabilty (to own his team) after last season let down at the Emirates and I am still carrying on criticizing him
openly since the wednesday shocking performace of HIS players,
I therefore am concerned of his capability to hold and own his own team and, as a City fan, I have stated that I am going to ask for his head if the proceedings of the season shall demonstrate the he cant own his team, whatsoever reason why.
Nevertheless where the intelligence and opinions stop is in front of facts:
1) every football game is always played on a green grass pitch between two eleven players running to shot a round ball;
2) Roberto Mancini has established his football as capable to boss both the two most difficult league in the world.
also, tracking back to personal opinions, I am convinced that he is a football maniac, with a rare intelligence of the game, who have spent the last 25 years eating every bit of football he could get, domestic and foreign, overseas included, from his days on the pitch, on.
to say that someone who can boss the football in Italy and England, turn clueless up to bottle games when the game is played in germany, holland or spain under a different trophy name it's a nonsense. no matter who the someone is: Mancini, Rinus Michels or Ted Hughes.
You keep saying that the game versus a below WBA par Ajax team could have been won if Bob hadn't washed it out in the last twenties, and everyone know that I am the highest rater of Your football opinion, but what I saw were 11 players who didn't play for an hour, despiting getting in the lead with the first shot on target and having the opponents staggering in the dark for the subsequent 15 minutes. we have already agreed that if the had played, if only putting a third of the effort put at West Brom, it had end with a walk on the park and MCFC challenge fot the CL still alive, almost on track.
The final mess up, was not an access to insaty rather than the last, desperate, failure doomed attempt to bet on a single's trick (like that nearly made by Balotelli on saturday) from a manager, who is living next to them every day, and had seen they just didnt played as a team.
In am not in disagreement with You on that he's possibly making a pig's ear of our Champions League bid, but if it's so, it's because he's currently appear unable to have his players on his the reins, but certainly not because he doesn't intellect the european football or the competition itself.
also, as a part prove to his particular reference, I am sure that You gladly concede that, on the very actual same games played by Mancini in this CL, we could stand on 7 points, only granting 7 additional minutes of total forcus at Bernabeu and pale shade of the WBA performace by the same players, with the banet of Milner on, in the Ajar game.
Once said that You, my Friends, can both f**k off.... ;) :)
cuz my mood after that nightmare is still badly down and everyone who have been in my reach since thrusday morning has experienced my nasty attitude at the present.
