***Manchester City v West Ham United PREVIEW***

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***Manchester City v West Ham United PREVIEW***

Postby bobby brows » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:49 pm

Hello all, this one is technically a rogue preview this week but as no-one agreed to do it I thought i'd throw one out there. Sorry if its a little rushed and there are no images or diagrams to skip to but I'm of to Africa (well, Morocco) this afternoon so I won't even get to see the game (I did google African Champions League though). Hope you enjoy

[center]West Ham United v Manchester City
Saturday 3rd November 2012
Boleyn Ground, Upton Park
5:30pm KO live on ESPN
Referee: Howard Webb (Rotherham)[/center]

We’ve had a relatively quiet week so far by our own standards (admittedly I write this on Wednesday lunch time) as future Chelsea captain and Manchester United regular has captured the media’s attention with his alleged racism towards 2 Chelsea players. This has fortunately overshadowed the news that Micah Richards will be out for 4 months after tearing his knee ligaments, City playing in the longest game in Premier League history (breaking our old record set against West Ham?) and that Roberto Mancini is on borrowed time since the arrival of a man from Barcelona as the new director of Football.

The thought of sacking a manager who has won us the league in May, has us undefeated domestically and tucked in nicely behind Chelsea in third would be ludicrous if our owners didn’t have form for this cut throat business decision and the fact that they really want to push on in the Champions League, something Mancini has failed to do at any of the clubs he has managed.

The real news of the week though was the fact that we were not only able to keep a clean sheet but we were also able to keep a clean sheet despite the fact that Kompany was in the back four! Harsh, yes but he still had a shocker of a game.

There was genuinely not too much to talk about the Swansea game, it was an abhorrent (class word) game to watch and if Tevez hadn’t scored a terrific goal 102 minutes might not have been enough time to win the game.

The media will eventually tell us that we’ve not played anyone yet and that we’ve no team spirit but we’re already 4 points up on the equivalent fixtures from last season picking up wins against West Brom (100% record at home) and Fulham where we only drew last season which is important I believe though that we’ll need at least 90 points to win the league.

West Ham

(I’m sat typing this opposite two united fans who don’t even know that United are playing tonight MWAHAHAHAHA – Chelsea is the answer fellas, in your home time too)


Of the 3 promoted teams West Ham are probably the best equipped for Premier League survival and as we’re traditionally poor travellers to the capital this could be a difficult game. The porn baron’s have invested heavily in the summer, obviously recognising the importance of being in the top flight next season when the new TV deal kicks in, bringing in 11 players (including 3 goalkeepers).

In goal they’ve replaced Rob Green with one of Big Sam’s favourites Jussi Jasskelainen from Bolton where he’d spent 14 years blaming his defence for every goal Bolton ever conceded.

Defensively they’ve brought in George McCartney permanently from Sunderland and James Collins from Aston Villa; both in their second spells at the club.

In midfield Yossi Benayoun returns on loan from West Ham (how many players have played for both Chelsea and West Ham just in the Premier League era?), Mohamed Diame from Wigan, the much lauded on Football Manager Alou Diarra form Marseille and spent massive money on Matt Jarvis from Wolves.

Up front they brought in the highly though Modibo Maiga from Sochaux and like playground bullies over Premier League stickers roughed up Liverpool for Andy Carroll on a season’s loan for £3m and a portion of his wages.

To compliment their new signings they’ve also got Great Britain central defender James Tomkins, New Zealand world cup defender Winston Reid (£4m from our old friends the Midget Gems), former Kompany Hamburg team mate Guy Demel.

In midfield they’re built around Kevin Nolan, for long thought of as too good for the Championship but not good enough for the Premier league, who’s chipped in with 4 league goals already. They’ve the highly rated Jack Collision who lifted a winner over Shay Given in a 1-0 City defeat a few years ago. In addition, they’ve the English Kolarov in Matty Taylor, Mark Noble who was once sent off against City at the City of Manchester Stadium, and the once prospect Gary O’Neill who they signed from Middlesbrough who scored against us for Portsmouth a few years ago.

Up front Carlton Cole is still playing for a living, and is usually the preferred partnership with Ricardo Vaz Te, who was much travelled round the leagues until catching fire at Barnsley last season when Allardyce brought him in.

As always with Allardyce teams they have a high turn over of players, 15 left in the summer, at Bolton it was a turn over of Geriatrico’s, he was more successful than his failures (Djorkyaeff, Okocha, Hierro) and a generous use of the loan system. At Newcastle where he was given money to spend for the first time he tried to radically change the clubs DNA and was met with resistance from the clubs support and was swiftly axed by Mike Ashley who was trying to curry favour with the barcodes support. Ironically, with hindsight, Allardyce was probably the man that Ashley wanted able to make use of the transfer market and work to a budget but instead he got Keegan.

Allardyce was then unlucky to lose his job at Blackburn to another set of new owners who wanted the club to play a more expansive style (but apparently changed their minds and appointed Steve Kean) but was given the job at West Ham by the porn barons with the goal of an immediate return to the Premier League. I imagine Allardyce would have had reservations about joining a club who’s philosophy about football were radically different to his own but he got the job done using his knowledge of the transfer system to buy players with a perceived sell on value and with something to prove and in terms of both getting them to the Premier League and keeping them their Allardyce is probably the best man for the job although I very much doubt his team will be selling out the Olympic Stadium if they move their.

How are they doing?

The ‘Ammers are currently 9th with 4 wins, 2 draws, 3 defeats, 13 goals scored, 11 conceded and 14 points after 9 games. At home they’ve 3 times (Aston Viilla, Fulham & Southampton), they’ve drawn once (Sunderland) and lost once (Arsenal).

What can we expect?

We can expect a physical direct game from them they are usually 442 men but in the past against City Allardyce hasn’t been afraid to fill the midfield and kick us off the park. At Wigan on Saturday they lined up with a back four of Reid, McCartney, Tomkins and Collins. Huge Gorillas at the back who love balls to be lumped up to them; if we’d have played them last season we’d be calling this game perfect for Adam Johnson and use his natural width against McCartney who, in my opinion, is the weak link of the back four.

Midfield it was Diame, Nolan and Noble flooding the middle trying to win the ball back, keep possession and get into wide positions for Jarvis and Banayoun. Crossing is a weakness for us as no one seems to have told our full backs that they need to block the crosses coming in.

Up front they started with Carroll, who’s scored most of his Liverpool goals against us, but they may go with Cole as well as they’re at home and the home support will demand they take the game to us.

Another key part of the game will be set pieces. Allardyce is famed for watching set pieces over and over again and working out ways to maximise them. As almost half of our goals have been conceded from set pieces this season we need to minimise the number of free kicks and corners we concede. Knowing out look they’ve probably got a long throw specialist too.

What about us?

The good news is Zabaleta is fit to return in the absence of Micah; Injuries and the height West Ham have up front should mean that 3 of the back 4 should effectively pick itself, as Zabaleta should play alongside Kompany and Lescott. Left back is a tricky one as you could argue that Kolarov is the man in form at the moment and as stated above its important that we are closing down the crosses which is Clichy’s biggest defensive weakness.

In midfield Milner, Barry and Toure should pick themselves but as Garcia is fit Mancini may choose to select him over one of Barry or Milner if the only reason I can think of is that he’s arguably better in the air. Milner’s set piece taking ability is not to be overlooked though.

Nasri should complete the midfield line up although unless he puts him on one side and Milner on the other it means that we’ll be very narrow and Nasri tends to become isolated. Its tempting to play a 4-3-1-2 with Nasri tucked in behind the strikers and working as an outlet for midfield but suspicion is that Nasri doesn’t work hard enough in this role. Is it worth risking Silva? Well if he’s resting him to play against Ajax then I’d pick him but if its longer term than I would make sure he’s fit enough for a tougher run of games.

Up front Dzeko is the man from the bench; he’s less the man when he starts but I think he’d be a better bet as were away from home playing against a side with the height they have. Tevez is probably the one of the 4 assured to start but I’m not sure that Mancini hasn’t deliberately rested him against West Ham in the past despite his goalscoring record against them. We’ve had a habit of isolating our strikers in recent weeks and how we set up the midfield will determine this.

Prediction

Well I was correct last week with a 1-0 home win, even if it was tongue in cheek. I honestly think this game will be settled by set pieces. I’ll happily take another 1 nil win.
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Re: ***Manchester City v West Ham United PREVIEW***

Postby london blue 2 » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:34 pm

Cheers pal, nice review.

I think we will struggle against 442 men though.
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Postby Risby » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:56 pm

I think we will start the game slowly, but eventually we will win by two clear goals.
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Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:17 pm

I'm sanguine about our prospects at West Ham. As Mancini has had the players at training all week I'm hoping for a more cohesive unit and a 0-2 win.
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Postby Nigels Tackle » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:44 pm

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:I'm sanguine about our prospects at West Ham. As Mancini has had the players at training all week I'm hoping for a more cohesive unit and a 0-2 win.


this.

saturday to saturday with no midweek distraction.... probably the first time this season that all the (fit members of the) squad have trained together for an extended period.... i expect this to yield dividends..... a 3-0 win fuelled by a tevez brace that he won't celebrate.
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Postby walmai » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:20 pm

A few responses to the review of our squad:

1. Demel, Collison and Vaz Te are all definitely out of the game. Diarra is also unfit and not in contention for selection.
2. Sadly, that means that our defence - which is thin on quality at the best of times - will not be as strong as anyone would wish for the visit of the champions. I reckon its either Joey O'Brien and George McCartney as the full backs, or Tomkins will retain his place at RB. Either way, I doubt Mancini is going to lose any sleep about any of them.
3. The CB duo will almost inevitably be Collins and Reid. The latter had his first poor display for us last week, where Wigan scored early and were set up to keep us under the thumb for most of the game. I frankly worry about Collins. Him vs Aguero is the kind of thing to cause pre-match sleeplessness.
4. The reality is that, once even just a handful of injuries cut away at our first eleven, the people in reserve are precisely what you'd expect the last promoted team to have available. Put it this way; the fee for our 'bench of 7' would probably add up to the fee for one or at a stretch two of your players. I'm not complaining about that per se, maybe just getting in an excuse or two early...
5. Add to that the fact that Carroll had a great first game, but has been a bit off-form since. I don't personally know whether he's at all happy about his new job in London and think that a lot of people have concentrated on his last few domestic games and international performances, to the exclusion of 90% of last season. He is one-dimensionally powerful (with his head), so, if fullbacks prevent crosses (and Jarvis is the best crosser we've had at the club for donkeys), they pretty much nullify his threat.

I doubt we can manage more than one goal and imagine that would come from a set piece. If we could keep you down to one goal, it would have to be a brilliant display from the whole of the team.

Genuine prediction: WHU 1-3 MCFC
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Postby Wonderwall » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:02 am

Cheers bobby this is now on the news section. Much appreciated
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Postby Alex Sapphire » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:19 am

walmai wrote:A few responses to the review of our squad:

1. Demel, Collison and Vaz Te are all definitely out of the game. Diarra is also unfit and not in contention for selection.
2. Sadly, that means that our defence - which is thin on quality at the best of times - will not be as strong as anyone would wish for the visit of the champions. I reckon its either Joey O'Brien and George McCartney as the full backs, or Tomkins will retain his place at RB. Either way, I doubt Mancini is going to lose any sleep about any of them.
3. The CB duo will almost inevitably be Collins and Reid. The latter had his first poor display for us last week, where Wigan scored early and were set up to keep us under the thumb for most of the game. I frankly worry about Collins. Him vs Aguero is the kind of thing to cause pre-match sleeplessness.
4. The reality is that, once even just a handful of injuries cut away at our first eleven, the people in reserve are precisely what you'd expect the last promoted team to have available. Put it this way; the fee for our 'bench of 7' would probably add up to the fee for one or at a stretch two of your players. I'm not complaining about that per se, maybe just getting in an excuse or two early...
5. Add to that the fact that Carroll had a great first game, but has been a bit off-form since. I don't personally know whether he's at all happy about his new job in London and think that a lot of people have concentrated on his last few domestic games and international performances, to the exclusion of 90% of last season. He is one-dimensionally powerful (with his head), so, if fullbacks prevent crosses (and Jarvis is the best crosser we've had at the club for donkeys), they pretty much nullify his threat.

I doubt we can manage more than one goal and imagine that would come from a set piece. If we could keep you down to one goal, it would have to be a brilliant display from the whole of the team.

Genuine prediction: WHU 1-3 MCFC


sounds like a day where your fans have a job to do.
Plenty of bubbles being blown might lift the team above themselves
sympathise with the value of your bench v one of ours. was a time when our eleven plus the bench earned less than Roy fooking Keenbean
enjoy the day, and I hope you're right about the scoreline
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Postby walmai » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:29 am

Yeah. If I came across as moaning, it wasn't intentional. We're in a much better position than the other promoted teams and will start to gravitate towards the bottom (half) some time soon. An average position for fans pre-season, by way of prediction, was 16th.

Would take that now, no danger.
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Re: ***Manchester City v West Ham United PREVIEW***

Postby bobby brows » Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:41 pm

Greetings from morocco! Thanks to the feedback.

Walmai thanks for the input, if I'd been in less or a rush to leavE the continent I would have done some proper research!
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Postby walmai » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:01 pm

Post these players in order of preference:

1. Mark Vivien Foe
2. Trevor Morley
3. Ian Bishop
4. Trevor Sinclair
5. Stevie Lomas

Sinclair scored one of the best goals I've ever seen at The Boleyn:

I work the Youtube feature!

So, for me:

1. Sinclair
2. Lomas
3. Bishop
4. Foe
5. Morley.
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Re: ***Manchester City v West Ham United PREVIEW***

Postby Swales4ever » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:47 pm

Finally I read it!
may be rough, but quality nonetheless, according to the high pattern You have set, BB!
very enjoyable article for a great build up, as usual.
Cheers for Your contribution Mate: You are pampering us.

nice inputs from our Boleyn's Friend, as well. just stop breeding Yourself from tabloids' b*ll*, if I humbly may dare to suggest

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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