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Postby BrianBlackleyBlue » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:20 pm

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Is UEFA’s Financial Fair Play already dead?

The following article is a free-to-view version of an article published in the World Sports Law Report, Volume 10, Issue 10 (October 2012). The original version can be viewed here: http://www.e-comlaw.com/world-sports-law-report/article_template.asp?Contents=Yes&from=wslr&ID=1485Those who have read my previous articles or opinions regarding UEFA’s Financial Fair Play Regulations (FFP) will be aware of the disdain I hold for them. This article, however, has nothing to do with the merits of the rules merits or the arguments against them or in their favour. Rather, it takes the form of an objective analysis considering their current status. Whilst sanctions cannot be issued until the 2013/2014 season, with the 2010/11 and 2011/12 accounts involved in the 2013/14 calculations, the era of Financial Fair Play (FFP) should already be upon us; an era which was supposed to bring with it a new standard of financial prudence for European football. However, ambiguity within the rules, actions by some of Europe’s top clubs and questionable comments by senior UEFA officials threaten to destroy the world of Financial Fair Play before it has even started.Overview of the rulesIn simple terms, the aim of the Financial Fair Play Regulations with a few exceptions is to limit a football club’s expenditure to the level of its revenue[1].Each of the following sections explains a potential barrier to the efficacy of the Financial Fair Play regime. Questionable sponsorship dealsManchester City’s sponsorship deal with Etihad and Paris Saint Germain’s deal with the Qatar National Bank worth £40million per year and €100million per year respectively have raised eyebrows throughout the football universe because such transactions seemingly provide the means for wealthy owners to continue to bankroll their clubs just as they were doing in the pre-FFP era. The accusation is that the companies who have entered into these sponsorship deals have direct links with ownership of the clubs and have inflated the prices purely to assist the clubs in their quest for FFP compliance.The FFP Regulations do contain a provision which seeks to prevent certain ‘related party transactions’. However, in order for UEFA to have the right to assess whether or not the deal represents fair value, the company entering into the sponsorship deal must first be considered a ‘related party’. To satisfy this requirement, it is thought that the company must have some influence on the way the football club is run[2]. This requirement looks as though it could be difficult to satisfy. Whilst the chairman and vice chairman of Etihad are Sheikh Mansour’s half-brothers, I struggle to see how anyone could demonstrate that they have any influence on how Manchester City is run.Consequently, it is difficult to imagine a situation in which a transaction of this type will be struck down. Therefore, one can clearly see the opportunity available to football clubs like Manchester City and PSG to undermine the FFP break-even requirements by artificially increasing their revenues through this method. Relevant football incomeAlthough it hasn’t attracted the same media attention as the excessive sponsorship deals, Trabzonspor have stated that they plan to build a hydroelectric power station in order to increase the club’s revenue. If such a transaction was allowed for FFP purposes, could Sheikh Mansour transfer one of his money-generating assets or businesses to Manchester City Football Club, thus allowing the revenue it generates to be included in calculations relating to FFP compliance? If such arrangements were allowed, they would provide a serious threat to the credibility and effectiveness of Financial Fair Play.Unsurprisingly, Annex X(B) of the FFP Regulations states that such income will not count as club revenue for FFP purposes if ‘it is clearly and exclusively not related to the activities, locations or brand of the football club’. However, Swiss Ramble points out that ‘the same clause does confusingly allow the inclusion of revenue from non-football operations if those operations are ‘clearly using the name/brand of a club as part of their operations’ with no reference to location’[3]. So perhaps there is scope for owners to organise their business arrangements or set up new ventures in a way which will increase the avenues from which revenue can be generated for the purposes of FFP.If the scope of this possibility turns out to be wide, it provides another opportunity for owners to get round the FFP Regulations and continue to invest out of proportion to what the general public would consider to be relevant football income. UEFA’s own self-interestsThere are two types of conflicts of interest which may come into play.Firstly, I will assess the impact that sanctioning a top European club could have on UEFA. Imagine a situation in which a few teams like Inter Milan, Valencia and Chelsea fail to meet the break-even test and are consequently banned from European competitions. Consider the impact that their absence will have on the UEFA Champions League both financially and with regards to the credibility of the tournament which is supposed to pit the best football teams against each other in order to establish which is the best in Europe. A competition of this sort, which omits the champions from some of Europe’s elite leagues, will be severely harmed. Is it really in UEFA’s interest to start banning clubs from its most prestigious competition?The second type of conflict relates to specific links between UEFA and certain companies:• Michel Platini’s son works for QSI, the Qatari owners of PSG;• Kremlin-owned Gazprom, owner of Zenit St Petersburg, is a major partner of the UEFA Champions League.Zenit St Petersburg and PSG have both engaged in extensive transfer and wage expenditure and are consequently considered to be two clubs severely at risk of breaching the rules. I am not stating with certainty that Platini lacks the power or integrity to act fairly when assessing PSG’s and Zenit’s FFP compliance, particularly with regards to the aforementioned sponsorship deal, but some would certainly deem these conflicts of interest to be a threat to the fair application of the rules. If such suspicions turn out to be founded, UEFA will find it very difficult to sanction anybody else. Lack of clarity within the rules regarding sanctionsAt the inception of the FFP Regulations, the absence of clear sanctions for contraveners was immediately noted. Some saw this as a positive omission, enabling UEFA to take a flexible approach and look at the wider context when applying sanctions. This is certainly true to an extent. In April this year, UEFA announced a wide-range of sanctions that they would be willing to use[4] and Alasdair Bell, a senior UEFA official, subsequently stated that only repeat offenders will receive the toughest of penalties, namely forced withdrawal from UEFA’s competitions. He also stated the innovative sanction for first offenders that their club’s UEFA competition squad sizes may be cut by five men[5]. It has also been repeatedly stated that, despite a club falling foul of the provisions, if UEFA can see that the club is moving in the right direction towards break-even, UEFA will be lenient.Whilst nothing that has been said by UEFA officials is binding, their words will hardly strike fear throughout the sugar daddy universe and until UEFA state with greater clarity and severity the specific action they will take on those who flout the rules, some clubs may think it worth the risk to continue to spend.Overall resultAs has been explained, these four factors pose a significant threat to the long-term success of Financial Fair Play. Of course, people will point to the impact that the rules have already had. Whilst PSG has continued to spend extravagantly, those at Manchester City were particularly cautious throughout the summer transfer window indicating that they are taking the rules seriously. Consequently, it cannot be said that Financial Fair Play is already dead.However, unless UEFA states clearer sanctions to act as deterrents, takes a stricter approach to contrived business arrangements and is willing to act against its own self-interests, it will not be long before Platini and co are forced to throw in the towel.[1]. For a more comprehensive analysis of how the rules work, see ‘Financial Rules: UEFA’s Financial Fair Play Regulations: analysis’, World Sports Law Report (WSLR) Volume 8 Issue 12, December 2010 at www.e-comlaw.com/world-sports-law-report/article_template.asp?Contents=Yes&from=wslr&ID=1292;‘UEFA FFPR Regulations: the grounds for legal challenge’, WSLR Volume 9 Issue 3, March 2011; ‘UEFA’s FFPR & ‘third party’ rules: an English handicap’, WSLR Volume 9 Issue 12, December 2011 atwww.e-comlaw.com/world-spor
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:30 pm

Most interesting, indeed.

Given his knowledge of FFP, wouldn't mind getting Socrates' thoughts on this article.
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:48 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Most interesting, indeed.

Given his knowledge of FFP, wouldn't mind getting Socrates' thoughts on this article.


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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby DoomMerchant » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:02 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Most interesting, indeed.

Given his knowledge of FFP, wouldn't mind getting Socrates' thoughts on this article.


JF is currently playing a jigsaw puzzle in cock bang cunt......Mancio can take a message for him if you want.


exactly.

i'm not interesting in his fucking views on the topic btw...just for the record.

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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby DoomMerchant » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:12 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Most interesting, indeed.

Given his knowledge of FFP, wouldn't mind getting Socrates' thoughts on this article.


JF is currently playing a jigsaw puzzle in cock bang cunt......Mancio can take a message for him if you want.


exactly.

i'm not [strike]interesting[/strike] interested in his fucking views on the topic btw...just for the record.

cheers


Edit: i am somewhat interesting, although there is a bit of truth to my original post. Thank you very much.
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby Original Dub » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:14 am

DoomMerchant wrote:
exactly.

i'm not interesting in his fucking views on the topic btw...just for the record.

cheers


Is that because he's a fucking cunt?

That's not fair.
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby spiny » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:00 am

I am amazed how German clubs have not been subject to scrutiny. Some of their sponsorships and commercial deals sail close to the wind whilst they receive subsidised transport for fans incuded in already cheap tickets. They could be open to a challenge to be in breach of EU State Aid rules.

"Member States sometimes intervene through the use of public resources to promote certain economic activities or to protect national industries. By favouring certain firms over their competitors, this State aid is liable to distort competition."

Are subsidies not the same as gifts under FFP rules? It is a can of worms. This alone could keep the lawyers busy for years
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:32 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Most interesting, indeed.

Given his knowledge of FFP, wouldn't mind getting Socrates' thoughts on this article.


JF is currently playing a jigsaw puzzle in cock bang cunt......Mancio can take a message for him if you want.


exactly.

i'm not interesting in his fucking views on the topic btw...just for the record.

cheers


Hi Doomie,

Please cut Socrates some slack here because, if you cast aside any personal feelings/antipathy towards him and give credit where it is due, he does seem to have burnt the midnight oil on FFP and has more knowledge than most on this subject - at least he's certainly got more knowledge about it than I, for one, am prepared to spend time trying to acquire.

On that basis, it would be worth hearing/listening to what he has to say, with an open mind.
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:47 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
Hi Doomie,

Please cut Socrates some slack here because, if you cast aside any personal feelings/antipathy towards him and give credit where it is due, he does seem to have burnt the midnight oil on FFP and has more knowledge than most on this subject - at least he's certainly got more knowledge about it than I, for one, am prepared to spend time trying to acquire.

On that basis, it would be worth hearing/listening to what he has to say, with an open mind.


Nah, he is an accountant and understands some of the accounting measures which can be used to reduce the impact of ffp, just as a fair few of us on here do

He no more knows the legalities or likelihood of it being enforceable than you or I
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby mcfc1632 » Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:37 pm

Do not know what Socs has done to gain the ire of some - must have missed something.

I certainly have always enjoyed his FFP views - they have seem well considered and (whilst of course personal to him) interesting
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:17 pm

mcfc1632 wrote:Do not know what Socs has done to gain the ire of some - must have missed something.

I certainly have always enjoyed his FFP views - they have seem well considered and (whilst of course personal to him) interesting


Thanks mcfc,

I'm glad someone else has the same opinion of Socrates as I do.

I don't mind listening to anyone who has more knowledge and understanding of a topic, than I do. If Doomie were in that position, I'd gladly listen and learn from him.
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:41 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
mcfc1632 wrote:Do not know what Socs has done to gain the ire of some - must have missed something.

I certainly have always enjoyed his FFP views - they have seem well considered and (whilst of course personal to him) interesting


Thanks mcfc,

I'm glad someone else has the same opinion of Socrates as I do.

I don't mind listening to anyone who has more knowledge and understanding of a topic, than I do. If Doomie were in that position, I'd gladly listen and learn from him.


Well, it all reached a completely new level when Socs started dissing USA in one off topic thread. Doomie and ADV didn't like that and because Socs has always been such a keyboard warrior, he had many old enemies who joined them and started dissing Socs from time and time again. Because Doomie was involved, naturally Ant had to become involved.

Then there was some sort of strange fall out between Mancio and Socs when Mancio came to Manchester. Only John68 can give you the details on that one, but for whatever reason Socs seemed very upset about it and made their dispute public in the off topic section. IMO, that was a bit strange. Socs has always been able to take a fair bit of stick, at least as long as I have been lurking around, and of course, he's been very good at giving other people stick. As to why this upset him that much I have no idea, but it nevertheless made him more or less quit the site.

Because he had made the dispute public, he got some well deserved crap but at the same time his public display of weakness attracted some people with inherent bully-tendencies and the thread developed into a mix of excellent humour and pathetic displays of keyboard-bullying. Perhaps Socs deserved a bit of, perhaps not.

But that's where we are now.
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby mcfc1632 » Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:50 pm

................thanks - looks like you go on hols and you risk missing a chapter that could have a soap proud

Oh well!!
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:56 pm

Hi Cocacolajojo,

Thanks for taking the time to provide an explanation.

As a rule, I don't normally visit the Off-Topic site but, from your description, it sounds like an 'exciting', yet potentially a shark-infested place to go.

On that basis, being of a shy, sensitive and retiring nature, I think I'll continue to give it a wide berth.
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:13 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Hi Cocacolajojo,

Thanks for taking the time to provide an explanation.

As a rule, I don't normally visit the Off-Topic site but, from your description, it sounds like an 'exciting', yet potentially a shark-infested place to go.

On that basis, being of a shy, sensitive and retiring nature, I think I'll continue to give it a wide berth.


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Ok, it's totally not like that. But a little bit.
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby dazby » Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:05 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:
Well, it all reached a completely new level when Socs started dissing USA in one off topic thread. Doomie and ADV didn't like that and because Socs has always been such a keyboard warrior, he had many old enemies who joined them and started dissing Socs from time and time again. Because Doomie was involved, naturally Ant had to become involved.

Then there was some sort of strange fall out between Mancio and Socs when Mancio came to Manchester. Only John68 can give you the details on that one, but for whatever reason Socs seemed very upset about it and made their dispute public in the off topic section. IMO, that was a bit strange. Socs has always been able to take a fair bit of stick, at least as long as I have been lurking around, and of course, he's been very good at giving other people stick. As to why this upset him that much I have no idea, but it nevertheless made him more or less quit the site.

Because he had made the dispute public, he got some well deserved crap but at the same time his public display of weakness attracted some people with inherent bully-tendencies and the thread developed into a mix of excellent humour and pathetic displays of keyboard-bullying. Perhaps Socs deserved a bit of, perhaps not.

But that's where we are now.


That made it all sound sooo much more interesting than it really was. But well done.
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:31 pm

dazby wrote:
That made it all sound sooo much more interesting than it really was. But well done.


It makes me long for round 2. That was some flare up. The good old days sigh
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:28 pm

dazby wrote:
That made it all sound sooo much more interesting than it really was. But well done.


Challenge accepted. I dare you to write a better recap!
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby dazby » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:39 pm

There was no sarcasm in my post. Your summation was so good it made the actual event seem better than it was.
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Re: interesting article about FFP

Postby ant london » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:22 am

Cocacolajojo wrote:
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
mcfc1632 wrote:Do not know what Socs has done to gain the ire of some - must have missed something.

I certainly have always enjoyed his FFP views - they have seem well considered and (whilst of course personal to him) interesting


Thanks mcfc,

I'm glad someone else has the same opinion of Socrates as I do.

I don't mind listening to anyone who has more knowledge and understanding of a topic, than I do. If Doomie were in that position, I'd gladly listen and learn from him.


Well, it all reached a completely new level when Socs started dissing USA in one off topic thread. Doomie and ADV didn't like that and because Socs has always been such a keyboard warrior, he had many old enemies who joined them and started dissing Socs from time and time again. Because Doomie was involved, naturally Ant had to become involved.

Then there was some sort of strange fall out between Mancio and Socs when Mancio came to Manchester. Only John68 can give you the details on that one, but for whatever reason Socs seemed very upset about it and made their dispute public in the off topic section. IMO, that was a bit strange. Socs has always been able to take a fair bit of stick, at least as long as I have been lurking around, and of course, he's been very good at giving other people stick. As to why this upset him that much I have no idea, but it nevertheless made him more or less quit the site.

Because he had made the dispute public, he got some well deserved crap but at the same time his public display of weakness attracted some people with inherent bully-tendencies and the thread developed into a mix of excellent humour and pathetic displays of keyboard-bullying. Perhaps Socs deserved a bit of, perhaps not.

But that's where we are now.



I'm not sure what it was that I got involved over....but it wasn't the above bit about the USA. Soccs has always got up my nose, he could be OK and than a sanctimonious prick who thinks he knows it all and doens't/won't listen when he's on his soapbox. It was me and Doom baiting him about something prior to that which broke off all diplomatic relations though.

As Spartacus above says, lots of us, are at least as or more qualified that Soccs to spout as to the technical aspects of FFP. Just that we don't elect to do so most of the time. And as I'm Spart also says...none of us really have any visibility as to the likely future in that regard...there is no ITK out there, not Soccs, nor anyone else.

The Mancio thread was priceless....and in relation to the "internet bullying" i think you'll find that it was the silly fucker Soccs who decided to make all that public on here. He got what he deserved...excessive or not.


EDIT: the only frustrating part in relation to all of the above is that we (I don't think) never found out what Mancio4ever's fragrant law breaking related to. Was it on public transport as well...I can't recall. That's all I'd like someone to clarify for me.
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