interesting article about FFP

[Cocacolajojo1]

Do not know what Socs has done to gain the ire of some - must have missed something.

I certainly have always enjoyed his FFP views - they have seem well considered and (whilst of course personal to him) interesting

Thanks mcfc,

I'm glad someone else has the same opinion of Socrates as I do.

I don't mind listening to anyone who has more knowledge and understanding of a topic, than I do. If Doomie were in that position, I'd gladly listen and learn from him.

Well, it all reached a completely new level when Socs started dissing USA in one off topic thread. Doomie and ADV didn't like that and because Socs has always been such a keyboard warrior, he had many old enemies who joined them and started dissing Socs from time and time again. Because Doomie was involved, naturally Ant had to become involved.

Then there was some sort of strange fall out between Mancio and Socs when Mancio came to Manchester. Only John68 can give you the details on that one, but for whatever reason Socs seemed very upset about it and made their dispute public in the off topic section. IMO, that was a bit strange. Socs has always been able to take a fair bit of stick, at least as long as I have been lurking around, and of course, he's been very good at giving other people stick. As to why this upset him that much I have no idea, but it nevertheless made him more or less quit the site.

Because he had made the dispute public, he got some well deserved crap but at the same time his public display of weakness attracted some people with inherent bully-tendencies and the thread developed into a mix of excellent humour and pathetic displays of keyboard-bullying. Perhaps Socs deserved a bit of, perhaps not.

But that's where we are now.

I'm not sure what it was that I got involved over....but it wasn't the above bit about the USA. Soccs has always got up my nose, he could be OK and than a sanctimonious prick who thinks he knows it all and doens't/won't listen when he's on his soapbox. It was me and Doom baiting him about something prior to that which broke off all diplomatic relations though.

As Spartacus above says, lots of us, are at least as or more qualified that Soccs to spout as to the technical aspects of FFP. Just that we don't elect to do so most of the time. And as I'm Spart also says...none of us really have any visibility as to the likely future in that regard...there is no ITK out there, not Soccs, nor anyone else.

The Mancio thread was priceless....and in relation to the "internet bullying" i think you'll find that it was the silly fucker Soccs who decided to make all that public on here. He got what he deserved...excessive or not.

EDIT: the only frustrating part in relation to all of the above is that we (I don't think) never found out what Mancio4ever's fragrant law breaking related to. Was it on public transport as well...I can't recall. That's all I'd like someone to clarify for me.

Ant,
As I wrote above, Socs is/was the type of guy who doesn't shy away from insulting people on here. Perhaps he deserved to get some schtick, perhaps he didn't, but he nevertheless recieved some bullying in that thread. He has himself to blame to some extent though, I agree about that. Why he chose to make the dispute so public in such a manner... is to say the least mysterious. I mean, what type of reaction did he expect to get?

The sad thing is that I read a post from him somewhere a bit afterwards. Basically, he just popped in to tell everyone who ever doubted Mancini to go fuck themselves.

Great comeback...

[BlueinBosnia]

Soccs has always got up my nose, he could be OK and than a sanctimonious prick who thinks he knows it all and doens't/won't listen when he's on his soapbox. It was me and Doom baiting him about something prior to that which broke off all diplomatic relations though.

As Spartacus above says, lots of us, are at least as or more qualified that Soccs to spout as to the technical aspects of FFP. Just that we don't elect to do so most of the time. And as I'm Spart also says...none of us really have any visibility as to the likely future in that regard...there is no ITK out there, not Soccs, nor anyone else.

The Mancio thread was priceless....and in relation to the "internet bullying" i think you'll find that it was the silly fucker Soccs who decided to make all that public on here. He got what he deserved...excessive or not.


EDIT: the only frustrating part in relation to all of the above is that we (I don't think) never found out what Mancio4ever's fragrant law breaking related to. Was it on public transport as well...I can't recall. That's all I'd like someone to clarify for me.

I think you've pretty much summed up my feelings on Soccs, too. Once he thought he was right, he wouldn't listen to another view on the matter, and answered genuine questions in a condescending tone.

As to Mancio's criminality, I honestly reckon it was something like drinking on a train in Scotland, from the context within which it was put in Soccs' outburst, and the fact that, had it been something serious, he'd have declared it, the way he was writing in that post. Socrates so obviously wanted to turn other posters against Mancio with his vitriol, and it badly backfired, imho.

Edit: just noticed it was a 'fragrant law': perhaps Mancio is one of those 'Italians' that sell knock-off Joop! and CKOne in seaside towns...

[ant london]

haha I like my own smelly typo there....You wanna buya somea ckonea

[Nigels Tackle]

Soccs has always got up my nose, he could be OK and than a sanctimonious prick who thinks he knows it all and doens't/won't listen when he's on his soapbox. It was me and Doom baiting him about something prior to that which broke off all diplomatic relations though.

As Spartacus above says, lots of us, are at least as or more qualified that Soccs to spout as to the technical aspects of FFP. Just that we don't elect to do so most of the time. And as I'm Spart also says...none of us really have any visibility as to the likely future in that regard...there is no ITK out there, not Soccs, nor anyone else.

The Mancio thread was priceless....and in relation to the "internet bullying" i think you'll find that it was the silly fucker Soccs who decided to make all that public on here. He got what he deserved...excessive or not.


EDIT: the only frustrating part in relation to all of the above is that we (I don't think) never found out what Mancio4ever's fragrant law breaking related to. Was it on public transport as well...I can't recall. That's all I'd like someone to clarify for me.

I think you've pretty much summed up my feelings on Soccs, too. Once he thought he was right, he wouldn't listen to another view on the matter, and answered genuine questions in a condescending tone.

As to Mancio's criminality, I honestly reckon it was something like drinking on a train in Scotland, from the context within which it was put in Soccs' outburst, and the fact that, had it been something serious, he'd have declared it, the way he was writing in that post. Socrates so obviously wanted to turn other posters against Mancio with his vitriol, and it badly backfired, imho.

pretty sure that mancio was fare dodging... i.e. being a typical fucking italian ;-)

[ant london]

Mancio you tease...c'mon what was your "crime"????

[carl_feedthegoat]

Call me a cunt , but I still think it had something to do with a shemale that broke the camels back.

[Nigels Tackle]

Call me a cunt , but I still think it had something to do with a shemale that broke the camels back.

you're a cunt

[carl_feedthegoat]

Call me a cunt , but I still think it had something to do with a shemale that broke the camels back.

you're a cunt

Says the photo finish.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Most interesting, indeed.

Given his knowledge of FFP, wouldn't mind getting Socrates' thoughts on this article.

Apologies to all for stirring up a veritable Hornet's Nest but, getting back to the original article, on a superficial level it does seem from this that there's some leeway for any club to drive a high speed train through the FFP "regulations".

Is this a valid viewpoint or does the FFP 'monster' contain more sinister provisos to derail any such attempts to circumvent it ??

[Moonchesteri]

Sorry mate but all I'm interested is what actually was the Mancio's crime!?

Sheikh, Khaldoon and their lawyers will sort out the money side. But on topic (ffp) , if I ever meet Platini I will twat him for coming up with these ridiculous rules

[Socrates]

Hey guys, I wasn't aware I'd been bullied as I never revisited the thread. Can't completely remember what I said but I was pretty upset at the time as I had accidentally read Mancio saying really nasty things about me behind my back to someone he knows I don't like and that led to my falling out with him as my anger built over that day. His "crime" wasn't remotely serious, it was the fact he blatantly lied to me after he was caught saying he hadn't done it at all that astonished me, given I knew full well that he had committed the same offence several times already during our travels and had already admitted that. Whatever, I'm over it and that isn't why I don't visit here often any more - it is my rage at the moaners that makes me stay away.

Re the FFP, I am hopeful it can be beaten but not confident. I have never claimed to be better qualified to discuss it, I have just made myself well informed on the issue and am reasonably qualified to discuss it. TTFN.

[BlueinBosnia]

His "crime" wasn't remotely serious, it was the fact he blatantly lied to me after he was caught saying he hadn't done it at all that astonished me, given I knew full well that he had committed the same offence several times already during our travels and had already admitted that.

Drinking on Scottish trains? I said so (I think) when it happened. Even so, I said at the time your outburst was the Western equivalent of throwing acid over your 15-year old daughter for (possibly) looking at a boy... Well, actually, I didn't, but you know what I mean, you massive hypocrite.

[Socrates]

He wasn't drinking no, it was an equally minor offence but stupid and risky to do when you can find yourself ejected from a train and needing a new ticket as a result. The lying about it to me afterwards was more of a problem for me but even then only because I was pretty angry already. I'm not the hypocrite in this story, not remotely. remember now why you I can't usually see your posts when I'm logged in BiB, you are an arsehole. Saying my outburst is equivalent to the horrific murder of a young girl is utterly, utterly disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself for that comment. I know you won't be ashamed because you are an arrogant prick and I only wish karma were true so that I could be confident of your future bad end.

[Socrates]

Do not know what Socs has done to gain the ire of some - must have missed something.

I certainly have always enjoyed his FFP views - they have seem well considered and (whilst of course personal to him) interesting

Thanks mcfc,

I'm glad someone else has the same opinion of Socrates as I do.

I don't mind listening to anyone who has more knowledge and understanding of a topic, than I do. If Doomie were in that position, I'd gladly listen and learn from him.

Thanks guys, I won't be hanging out here much any more but nice to see a few kind words from some. I don't give a flying fuck if people like me or not but people who don't listen to what I have to say are, by definition, stupid. Life is too short for stupid and football not that important in the scheme of things to get upset about. Take care, maybe see you elsewhere.

[BlueinBosnia]

Saying my outburst is equivalent to the horrific murder of a young girl is utterly, utterly disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself for that comment. I know you won't be ashamed because you are an arrogant prick and I only wish karma were true so that I could be confident of your future bad end.

And my final three words never predicted anything more truly...

[Pretty Boy Lee]

This is the closest to cheering me up anyone could come today.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Do not know what Socs has done to gain the ire of some - must have missed something.

I certainly have always enjoyed his FFP views - they have seem well considered and (whilst of course personal to him) interesting

Thanks mcfc,

I'm glad someone else has the same opinion of Socrates as I do.

I don't mind listening to anyone who has more knowledge and understanding of a topic, than I do. If Doomie were in that position, I'd gladly listen and learn from him.

Thanks guys, I won't be hanging out here much any more but nice to see a few kind words from some. I don't give a flying fuck if people like me or not but people who don't listen to what I have to say are, by definition, stupid. Life is too short for stupid and football not that important in the scheme of things to get upset about. Take care, maybe see you elsewhere.

People that stay away from this site due to differencies of opinion are the real stupid cunts imo.
You have gone from being Pol Pot to a mardy arse who takes the interrrrrrrrnet too seriously.

[Swales4ever]

Hey guys, I wasn't aware I'd been bullied as I never revisited the thread. Can't completely remember what I said but I was pretty upset at the time as I had accidentally read Mancio saying really nasty things about me behind my back to someone he knows I don't like and that led to my falling out with him as my anger built over that day. His "crime" wasn't remotely serious, it was the fact he blatantly lied to me after he was caught saying he hadn't done it at all that astonished me, given I knew full well that he had committed the same offence several times already during our travels and had already admitted that. Whatever, I'm over it and that isn't why I don't visit here often any more - it is my rage at the moaners that makes me stay away.

Re the FFP, I am hopeful it can be beaten but not confident. I have never claimed to be better qualified to discuss it, I have just made myself well informed on the issue and am reasonably qualified to discuss it. TTFN.

He wasn't drinking no, it was an equally minor offence but stupid and risky to do when you can find yourself ejected from a train and needing a new ticket as a result. The lying about it to me afterwards was more of a problem for me but even then only because I was pretty angry already. I'm not the hypocrite in this story, not remotely. remember now why you I can't usually see your posts when I'm logged in BiB, you are an arsehole. Saying my outburst is equivalent to the horrific murder of a young girl is utterly, utterly disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself for that comment. I know you won't be ashamed because you are an arrogant prick and I only wish karma were true so that I could be confident of your future bad end.

I rarely comment on true human misery.
I spent an entire half life length, avoiding to judge miserable actions by people in the need.
I am not particularly upset with you, rather than totally upset with my idiot self for the most blatant misjudgement of a person in entire life long. actually I must live several lives to make a bigger mistake than trusting of you.
end of. keep making a foul of You as much as Your totally shameless person like to do. Just make sure not to cross my path anymore!

[highlight]PUBLIC HEALTH ADVICE: beware of that crook's crook.[/highlight]

[Pretty Boy Lee]

I rarely comment on true human misery.
I spent an entire half life length, avoiding to judge miserable actions by people in the need.
I am not particularly upset with you, rather than totally upset with my idiot self for the most blatant misjudgement of a person in entire life long. actually I must live several lives to make a bigger mistake than trusting of you.
end of. keep making a foul of You as much as Your totally shameless person like to do. Just make sure not to cross my path anymore!

PUBLIC HEALTH ADVICE: beware of that crook's crook.

I'm about to wet my pants in excitement.

It's back on!!!

[ant london]

Hey guys, I wasn't aware I'd been bullied as I never revisited the thread. Can't completely remember what I said but I was pretty upset at the time as I had accidentally read Mancio saying really nasty things about me behind my back to someone he knows I don't like and that led to my falling out with him as my anger built over that day. His "crime" wasn't remotely serious, it was the fact he blatantly lied to me after he was caught saying he hadn't done it at all that astonished me, given I knew full well that he had committed the same offence several times already during our travels and had already admitted that. Whatever, I'm over it and that isn't why I don't visit here often any more - it is my rage at the moaners that makes me stay away.

Re the FFP, I am hopeful it can be beaten but not confident. I have never claimed to be better qualified to discuss it, I have just made myself well informed on the issue and am reasonably qualified to discuss it. TTFN.

He wasn't drinking no, it was an equally minor offence but stupid and risky to do when you can find yourself ejected from a train and needing a new ticket as a result. The lying about it to me afterwards was more of a problem for me but even then only because I was pretty angry already. I'm not the hypocrite in this story, not remotely. remember now why you I can't usually see your posts when I'm logged in BiB, you are an arsehole. Saying my outburst is equivalent to the horrific murder of a young girl is utterly, utterly disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself for that comment. I know you won't be ashamed because you are an arrogant prick and I only wish karma were true so that I could be confident of your future bad end.

I rarely comment on true human misery.
I spent an entire half life length, avoiding to judge miserable actions by people in the need.
I am not particularly upset with you, rather than totally upset with my idiot self for the most blatant misjudgement of a person in entire life long. actually I must live several lives to make a bigger mistake than trusting of you.
end of. keep making a foul of You as much as Your totally shameless person like to do. Just make sure not to cross my path anymore!

[highlight]PUBLIC HEALTH ADVICE: beware of that crook's crook.[/highlight]

hahaha...Ruggerio mate...sorry for bringing this all back up again!

I'm glad you've come round to seeing sense re our man in Thailand though! ;-)