***official chumps vs ajax match thread***

[Ted Hughes]

Oh well, we can't win 'em all - or any in Europe it seems. Our summer transfer window was a disaster and we are reaping the rewards.

And last season ?

[johnny crossan]

Oh well, we can't win 'em all - or any in Europe it seems. Our summer transfer window was a disaster and we are reaping the rewards.

And last season ?

I 'm thinking we've gone backwards this season but I could be wrong

[Dronny]

I'd happily smash the cunt in the face, with my car

Auto or manual?

On this occasion probably auto as I might get tired changing from 1st to reverse all the time

[KippaxBlue]

Pics and comments on the game against Ajax are now online at
http://www.rtfract.com/citnov12.htm

[Swales4ever]

An absorbing game, with quite the most incredible finale. Not sure Mancini's heard the last about marching onto the pitch like that.

There's still a twist or two in this group, I reckon.

Alan "Pardiola" Pardew did exactly the same on sunday - Where is the recrimination there?

Ohh wait, I was forgetting it was all bent

He very quickly and advisedly apologised for it too. Not that I am his spokesman.

Not digging out Mancini, to be honest, because he was clearly incensed, but I still wonder whether someone might suggest he reins it in a bit.

City doesn't seem to me to be much of a happy camp at this moment in time.

Yet again, our welcome Cockney Mate, if You are interested in the atmosphere and spirit of the City camp, You MUST read Sir DH's reports, rather than the Fail and the Sun. Take it a as a very decent bet, It might help to enhance Your global understanding.

He dosent have to read the papers to know there is something a miss at City. Take the blinkers off something is clearly not right.

Fu,
I am not egomaniac and stupid enough to argue, on such a subtle and sensible point, the opinion of a professional football player who have spent a (still short) lifetime breathing the City atmosphere in the Main Land (Bob Marley meaning; n.o.e. for Teddy).

as far as I do understand from far away and only having been part of a water team ages and ages ago:

the Team is now formed of top pros, obviouvsly fitted with very solid egos, fully committed to Personal and Club success.

only real sign of distress has been a polite outspoke from a young Defender (who I much love ), still in becoming to greatness, who reported his confusion at having to perform a defensive set up he struggle to understand. Certainly a manager's fault at not being able to pass through a hard working, success and improvement committed youngster, the believe on: the more competence, the merrier, in every field and season of life, professional football included.

Also, first and foremost, we cannot fail to question the manager for his excess of stubborness in planning and sticking with the plan of:
undertaking a right task (building additional, supplementary competence) on a team who has been projected and built to aim to global, unlimited success, and doing it in style, never acting as many of the cheating, arrogant rags of these shameful world.
but
doing it, on the wrong season: i.e. when almost all starting XI were due to holidays during preseason working camp, because of Euro, Olimpics and various burdens which fall on each Top Clubs who pay wages to provide the various FAs with top players for free.
Due to such a mistake, this Team of committed top pros, yet to be fully used to the professional demands of Top Clubs, failed to assimilate the addiotional compatence which the manager planned to add to their collective qualities, resulting in the present, temporary, shambolic spell of defensive performances.

other than that - more than enough someone could say - I don't see any evidence nior signs of addittional distress: let alone the sort of French Revolution portrayed almost every day since the appointment of the clueless manager who ended almost four decades of rollercaster at the Club who the powers-that-be fear most.

Now, while I do not even try and convince You that I care of MCFC more than my licker's love for the present manager, as I actually do, I'd only would like to draw Your consideration on the following logical alternative:
1) either all the media love and care so much of MCFC that, in understanding all the bad and evil disruptive potential of Roberto Mancini, are trying their best to force the Club to want him out;
2) or, on the contrary, the media at sold of the powers-that-be, acting as an important weapon of their plan to prevent the steady access of MCFC to their own (for Divine Right) Garden of lucrative Success, in understanding the disruptive potential of the Roberto Mancini abilities on building steady success, boosted by the backing of and ADUG's powerful strenght, are trying to file any possible disruptive action to break this sporting partnership.

In posting the above, just personal, possibly faulty, convincement, I am far from any will of wipe off Mancini any of the mistakes he have done, is doing and will certainly do. As already stated more eloquently and authoritatively than myself, managers are normal human beings who makes mistakes as any other. the best are just those who make fewer, end up with delivering success and posive reputation to their Clubs.

[Original Dub]

Fu,
I am not egomaniac and stupid enough to argue, on such a subtle and sensible point, the opinion of a professional football player who have spent a (still short) lifetime breathing the City atmosphere in the Main Land (Bob Marley meaning; n.o.e. for Teddy).

as far as I do understand from far away and only having been part of a water team ages and ages ago:
the Team is now formed of top pros, obviouvsly fitted with very solid egos, fully committed to Personal and Club success.only real sign of distress has been a polite outspoke from a young Defender (who I much love ), still in becoming to greatness, who reported his confusion at having to perform a defensive set up he struggle to understand. Certainly a manager's fault at not being able to pass through a hard working, success and improvement committed youngster, the believe on: the more competence, the merrier, in every field and season of life, professional football included.

Also, first and foremost, we cannot fail to question the manager for his excess of stubborness in planning and sticking with the plan of:
undertaking a right task (building additional, supplementary competence) on a team who has been projected and built to aim to global, unlimited success, and doing it in style, never acting as many of the cheating, arrogant rags of these shameful world.
but
doing it, on the wrong season: i.e. when almost all starting XI were due to holidays during preseason working camp, because of Euro, Olimpics and various burdens which fall on each Top Clubs who pay wages to provide the various FAs with top players for free.
Due to such a mistake, this Team of committed top pros, yet to be fully used to the professional demands of Top Clubs, failed to assimilate the addiotional compatence which the manager planned to add to their collective qualities, resulting in the present, temporary, shambolic spell of defensive performances.

other than that - more than enough someone could say - I don't see any evidence nior signs of addittional distress: let alone the sort of French Revolution portrayed almost every day since the appointment of the clueless manager who ended almost four decades of rollercaster at the Club who the powers-that-be fear most.

Now, while I do not even try and convince You that I care of MCFC more than my licker's love for the present manager, as I actually do, I'd only would like to draw Your consideration on the following logical alternative:
1) either all the media love and care so much of MCFC that, in understanding all the bad and evil disruptive potential of Roberto Mancini, are trying their best to force the Club to want him out;
2) or, on the contrary, the media at sold of the powers-that-be, acting as an important weapon of their plan to prevent the steady access of MCFC to their own (for Divine Right) Garden of lucrative Success, in understanding the disruptive potential of the Roberto Mancini abilities on building steady success, boosted by the backing of and ADUG's powerful strenght, are trying to file any possible disruptive action to break this sporting partnership.

In posting the above, just personal, possibly faulty, convincement, I am far from any will of wipe off Mancini any of the mistakes he have done, is doing and will certainly do. As already stated more eloquently and authoritatively than myself, managers are normal human beings who makes mistakes as any other. the best are just those who make fewer, end up with delivering success and posive reputation to their Clubs.

Jesus mate will you keep it simple for fuck sake?

[City64]

We won 3-2 after being 2 nil down . Our fault being 2 nil down but showed enough class and determination to claw the game back ...... work rate / effort fantastic , that is quality in my book ! Shame the game is bent the higher echelons we reach and what happened to us "new kids" on the block would and has never happened at Stretford !

Food for thought !

[walmai]

Yet again, our welcome Cockney Mate, if You are interested in the atmosphere and spirit of the City camp, You MUST read Sir DH's reports, rather than the Fail and the Sun. Take it a as a very decent bet, It might help to enhance Your global understanding.

Just for clarity, my observation of what seems to be going on is from what I see of your play (having now watched a handful of full matches since the season's start). I don't even read those papers.

Quite a few things puzzle me.

Your defence is a mess. Sorry, but it is. Not a single player's fault, to my eyes, more a question of perhaps a new system that otherwise decent players are being caught out by. There's no way on earth you should have conceded both of those goals yesterday. Once is a mistake, for sure, but the second suggested nobody was heeding the warning signs. A free header on the corner of the 6 yard box is unforgivable. It would be at West Ham or Wrexham and it surprised me to sit and watch it.

Secondly, the team doesn't seem tuned in to Mancini's game anywhere near as much as it was last season.

Thirdly, there is little natural width to your play.

Finally, Mancini and Balotelli seem to be at each other's throats.

The former's days are numbered, imvho, unless this problem - which makes City look less than a sum of its very decent parts - between the dugout and the pitch can be rectified.

[City64]

Yet again, our welcome Cockney Mate, if You are interested in the atmosphere and spirit of the City camp, You MUST read Sir DH's reports, rather than the Fail and the Sun. Take it a as a very decent bet, It might help to enhance Your global understanding.

Just for clarity, my observation of what seems to be going on is from what I see of your play (having now watched a handful of full matches since the season's start). I don't even read those papers.

Quite a few things puzzle me.

Your defence is a mess. Sorry, but it is. Not a single player's fault, to my eyes, more a question of perhaps a new system that otherwise decent players are being caught out by. There's no way on earth you should have conceded both of those goals yesterday. Once is a mistake, for sure, but the second suggested nobody was heeding the warning signs. A free header on the corner of the 6 yard box is unforgivable. It would be at West Ham or Wrexham and it surprised me to sit and watch it.

Secondly, the team doesn't seem tuned in to Mancini's game anywhere near as much as it was last season.

Thirdly, there is little natural width to your play.

Finally, Mancini and Balotelli seem to be at each other's throats.

The former's days are numbered, imvho, unless this problem - which makes City look less than a sum of its very decent parts - between the dugout and the pitch can be rectified.

And all that from a supporter of a team that has Sam Alladyce as manager ....... the very Sam Alladyce that has won fuck all with his long ball shite and wouldnt have the first clue how to manage a team of world class superstars performing at the top of the premier league and also in europe. Big donkey up front , kevin fuckin Nolan in every team he has managed for the last 10 years thats his limit ffs ! Sam Alladyce actually reached his limit as a manager with Bolton Wanderers ! nuff said !
Oh and the porn industry running West Ham FC ........ a dozen rampant rabbits would do a better fuckin job !

[phips]

Oh well, we can't win 'em all - or any in Europe it seems. Our summer transfer window was a disaster and we are reaping the rewards.

And last season ?

Personally I think it has nothing to do with either transfer window. The players we have now and had before this past summer are good enough to progress out of the group stage. Look at Ajax, they beat us once and tied us at the Etihad; they have De Jong and Eriksen and thats basically it. Malaga progressed for fuck's sake and they're basically in debt and sold all their "best" players (yeah they had an easier group, but still). It's not only about players' skill...its about coaching, training, and the player's egos and mindset. Clearly none of these are good enough for us yet.

I highly doubt buying De Rossi or someone else will help us progress. It's not all about just buying the "best", most renown players.

[walmai]

Yet again, our welcome Cockney Mate, if You are interested in the atmosphere and spirit of the City camp, You MUST read Sir DH's reports, rather than the Fail and the Sun. Take it a as a very decent bet, It might help to enhance Your global understanding.

Just for clarity, my observation of what seems to be going on is from what I see of your play (having now watched a handful of full matches since the season's start). I don't even read those papers.

Quite a few things puzzle me.

Your defence is a mess. Sorry, but it is. Not a single player's fault, to my eyes, more a question of perhaps a new system that otherwise decent players are being caught out by. There's no way on earth you should have conceded both of those goals yesterday. Once is a mistake, for sure, but the second suggested nobody was heeding the warning signs. A free header on the corner of the 6 yard box is unforgivable. It would be at West Ham or Wrexham and it surprised me to sit and watch it.

Secondly, the team doesn't seem tuned in to Mancini's game anywhere near as much as it was last season.

Thirdly, there is little natural width to your play.

Finally, Mancini and Balotelli seem to be at each other's throats.

The former's days are numbered, imvho, unless this problem - which makes City look less than a sum of its very decent parts - between the dugout and the pitch can be rectified.

And all that from a supporter of a team that has Sam Alladyce as manager ....... the very Sam Alladyce that has won fuck all with his long ball shite and wouldnt have the first clue how to manage a team of world class superstars performing at the top of the premier league and also in europe. Big donkey up front , kevin fuckin Nolan in every team he has managed for the last 10 years thats his limit ffs ! Sam Alladyce actually reached his limit as a manager with Bolton Wanderers ! nuff said !
Oh and the porn industry running West Ham FC ........ a dozen rampant rabbits would do a better fuckin job !

I'm not saying Allardyce is better than Mancini, though.

I don't even like our owners, but would struggle to say that the club is in a worse shape than it was on the day before they bought into it. They had to resolve a relegation that was pretty much their responsibility and did so in a season, with a coach who has brought stability to the club.

West Ham and City are no longer sensibly compared one to the other. Our rivals are teams like Wigan, Stoke and those that were promoted last season and the year before. Yours are much more significant.

The point that I was making is still however valid: City look a lot less dominant than they did at practically any stage of last season. Something is at the root of that and it seems that there may not be the same sense of understanding between a 'team of world class superstars', which is of course what they are, and the coaching team that works with them.

[johnny crossan]

Oh well, we can't win 'em all - or any in Europe it seems. Our summer transfer window was a disaster and we are reaping the rewards.

And last season ?

Personally I think it has nothing to do with either transfer window. The players we have now and had before this past summer are good enough to progress out of the group stage. Look at Ajax, they beat us once and tied us at the Etihad; they have De Jong and Eriksen and thats basically it. Malaga progressed for fuck's sake and they're basically in debt and sold all their "best" players (yeah they had an easier group, but still). It's not only about players' skill...its about coaching, training, and the player's egos and mindset. Clearly none of these are good enough for us yet.

I highly doubt buying De Rossi or someone else will help us progress. It's not all about just buying the "best", most renown players.

I'd like to think our current players are good enough too but the evidence is that they aren't. That's not to say that tactics, motivation etc don't need improvement. I agree they clearly do, but the departure of de Jong and a disrupted pre-season together with the non-arrival of any of Mancini's major targets means we are struggling in every competition.

[Im_Spartacus]

And all that from a supporter of a team that has Sam Alladyce as manager ....... the very Sam Alladyce that has won fuck all with his long ball shite and wouldnt have the first clue how to manage a team of world class superstars performing at the top of the premier league and also in europe. Big donkey up front , kevin fuckin Nolan in every team he has managed for the last 10 years thats his limit ffs ! Sam Alladyce actually reached his limit as a manager with Bolton Wanderers ! nuff said !
Oh and the porn industry running West Ham FC ........ a dozen rampant rabbits would do a better fuckin job !

What's your point?

Why attack the bloke when he is giving a valid, unbiased and considered opinion.

[Dronny]

Yet again, our welcome Cockney Mate, if You are interested in the atmosphere and spirit of the City camp, You MUST read Sir DH's reports, rather than the Fail and the Sun. Take it a as a very decent bet, It might help to enhance Your global understanding.

Just for clarity, my observation of what seems to be going on is from what I see of your play (having now watched a handful of full matches since the season's start). I don't even read those papers.

Quite a few things puzzle me.

Your defence is a mess. Sorry, but it is. Not a single player's fault, to my eyes, more a question of perhaps a new system that otherwise decent players are being caught out by. There's no way on earth you should have conceded both of those goals yesterday. Once is a mistake, for sure, but the second suggested nobody was heeding the warning signs. A free header on the corner of the 6 yard box is unforgivable. It would be at West Ham or Wrexham and it surprised me to sit and watch it.

Secondly, the team doesn't seem tuned in to Mancini's game anywhere near as much as it was last season.

Thirdly, there is little natural width to your play.

Finally, Mancini and Balotelli seem to be at each other's throats.

The former's days are numbered, imvho, unless this problem - which makes City look less than a sum of its very decent parts - between the dugout and the pitch can be rectified.

And all that from a supporter of a team that has Sam Alladyce as manager ....... the very Sam Alladyce that has won fuck all with his long ball shite and wouldnt have the first clue how to manage a team of world class superstars performing at the top of the premier league and also in europe. Big donkey up front , kevin fuckin Nolan in every team he has managed for the last 10 years thats his limit ffs ! Sam Alladyce actually reached his limit as a manager with Bolton Wanderers ! nuff said !
Oh and the porn industry running West Ham FC ........ a dozen rampant rabbits would do a better fuckin job !

Mate, not that I'm walmai's guardian angel here but he was only offering his opinion which most folks enjoy as an "outsider's" view, as I say only an opinion as yours is as well. I kinda like the fact that we have other teams supporters who take the time, in this case over 1160 posts worth of time to proffer their views and perhaps in your short stay so far you've missed that point.

[City64]

Yet again, our welcome Cockney Mate, if You are interested in the atmosphere and spirit of the City camp, You MUST read Sir DH's reports, rather than the Fail and the Sun. Take it a as a very decent bet, It might help to enhance Your global understanding.

Just for clarity, my observation of what seems to be going on is from what I see of your play (having now watched a handful of full matches since the season's start). I don't even read those papers.

Quite a few things puzzle me.

Your defence is a mess. Sorry, but it is. Not a single player's fault, to my eyes, more a question of perhaps a new system that otherwise decent players are being caught out by. There's no way on earth you should have conceded both of those goals yesterday. Once is a mistake, for sure, but the second suggested nobody was heeding the warning signs. A free header on the corner of the 6 yard box is unforgivable. It would be at West Ham or Wrexham and it surprised me to sit and watch it.

Secondly, the team doesn't seem tuned in to Mancini's game anywhere near as much as it was last season.

Thirdly, there is little natural width to your play.

Finally, Mancini and Balotelli seem to be at each other's throats.

The former's days are numbered, imvho, unless this problem - which makes City look less than a sum of its very decent parts - between the dugout and the pitch can be rectified.

And all that from a supporter of a team that has Sam Alladyce as manager ....... the very Sam Alladyce that has won fuck all with his long ball shite and wouldnt have the first clue how to manage a team of world class superstars performing at the top of the premier league and also in europe. Big donkey up front , kevin fuckin Nolan in every team he has managed for the last 10 years thats his limit ffs ! Sam Alladyce actually reached his limit as a manager with Bolton Wanderers ! nuff said !
Oh and the porn industry running West Ham FC ........ a dozen rampant rabbits would do a better fuckin job !

I'm not saying Allardyce is better than Mancini, though.

I don't even like our owners, but would struggle to say that the club is in a worse shape than it was on the day before they bought into it. They had to resolve a relegation that was pretty much their responsibility and did so in a season, with a coach who has brought stability to the club.

West Ham and City are no longer sensibly compared one to the other. Our rivals are teams like Wigan, Stoke and those that were promoted last season and the year before. Yours are much more significant.

The point that I was making is still however valid: City look a lot less dominant than they did at practically any stage of last season. Something is at the root of that and it seems that there may not be the same sense of understanding between a 'team of world class superstars', which is of course what they are, and the coaching team that works with them.

Sorry walmai .

Ive been following MCFC for nearly half a century and am pretty pissed off like many other City fans right now . Im new to these forums things and only joined a couple of weeks ago prompted by the relentless media bias / onslaught seemingly directed at our club.

Reading back your posts are a good contribution to this MCFC site mate ...... sorry again the "blue mist" decended .

[Sister of fu]

And all that from a supporter of a team that has Sam Alladyce as manager ....... the very Sam Alladyce that has won fuck all with his long ball shite and wouldnt have the first clue how to manage a team of world class superstars performing at the top of the premier league and also in europe. Big donkey up front , kevin fuckin Nolan in every team he has managed for the last 10 years thats his limit ffs ! Sam Alladyce actually reached his limit as a manager with Bolton Wanderers ! nuff said !
Oh and the porn industry running West Ham FC ........ a dozen rampant rabbits would do a better fuckin job !

What's your point?

Why attack the bloke when he is giving a valid, unbiased and considered opinion.

I think some fans think we are beyond being criticised. We deserve all the shit that is thrown at us IMO at present as we have been awful. Not a patch on the big power house we were last year. People are being blinkered if they can't see that we have some work to do.

[walmai]

Reading back your posts are a good contribution to this MCFC site mate ...... sorry again the "blue mist" decended .

No sweat.

[City64]

And all that from a supporter of a team that has Sam Alladyce as manager ....... the very Sam Alladyce that has won fuck all with his long ball shite and wouldnt have the first clue how to manage a team of world class superstars performing at the top of the premier league and also in europe. Big donkey up front , kevin fuckin Nolan in every team he has managed for the last 10 years thats his limit ffs ! Sam Alladyce actually reached his limit as a manager with Bolton Wanderers ! nuff said !
Oh and the porn industry running West Ham FC ........ a dozen rampant rabbits would do a better fuckin job !

What's your point?

Why attack the bloke when he is giving a valid, unbiased and considered opinion.

I think some fans think we are beyond being criticised. We deserve all the shit that is thrown at us IMO at present as we have been awful. Not a patch on the big power house we were last year. People are being blinkered if they can't see that we have some work to do.

Dont think any City fan has the belief City are beyond critisicm . Plenty are giving City,s critics ample amunition though through sheer naievity imo . It took our club a hell of a long time to get where we are right now . Stretford and taggart are masters of handling their critics and stick together no matter what, thats is one fundamental reason why they are so successfull over a long period of time . I see a PR disaster at the moment with MCFC , its fans and the media .

[Beefymcfc]

Ha ha ha, Celtic 1 up against Barca.

[Hazy2]

Ha ha ha, Celtic 1 up against Barca.

Just thinking would we beat Celtic ? and Wanyama looks a very good player.