Thoughts on Nastacic?

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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Green & Blue » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:03 pm

Yffi_88 wrote:Really surprised at how reserved everyone seems about this guy. I think he's absolutely brilliant, or at least will be in the near future. Looks so comfortable on the ball, reads the game well and outpaces a lot of strikers. For a 19 year old I couldn't imagine a better centre half!


I feel the same.Superb for his age and should learn so much playing alongside the Prince.I think we have a right good player on our hands.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Blue Since 76 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:08 pm

Looks better every game. As others have said, he will make a mistake and cost us a goal or get sent off. If he can bounce back from that he could be our first choice centre half for many years
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby kennyboy » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:13 pm

Looked better than Lescott from day one, and he is!
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:19 pm

Could become a great player & seems to be emotionally stable but he isn't the one doing the defending. If you put a clone of him in place of Vinny, we would lose every game.

Someone has to actually go out & stop people & there are two in that side who do that job: Vinny+Zabba. Nastasic is not a great defender at this time, just a very promising one.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby sheblue » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:22 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:Could become a great player & seems to be emotionally stable but he isn't the one doing the defending. If you put a clone of him in place of Vinny, we would lose every game.

Someone has to actually go out & stop people & there are two in that side who do that job: Vinny+Zabba. Nastasic is not a great defender at this time, just a very promising one.



Still only 19 which is always young for a central defender. He is no baresi yet, however showing plenty of promise, still a long way to go.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:24 pm

Another clean sheet tonight. The Vinnie/Nasty partnership is the future so don't disrupt it and leave it alone to grow into something very special.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby s1ty m » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:26 pm

Looked like he played for the Dog and Duck at first. Now, looks like potentially a fabulous player. Weird game is football. Christ, he's so cool for a 19 year old lad.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:29 pm

Despite the fact he has the odd mistake in him still, I feel much calmer knowing he's playing instead of Lescott as Lescott generally has a big rick in him just when you don't need it.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:33 pm

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:Despite the fact he has the odd mistake in him still, I feel much calmer knowing he's playing instead of Lescott as Lescott generally has a big rick in him just when you don't need it.


This is the stuff which does my head in.

if people prefer Nasti then that's upto them but Lescott does not make any more mistakes than anybody else & Nasti has replicated every single mistake made by Lescott . If he gets away with it; good luck to him but criticism handed out to JL is just so unfair.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby freshie » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:44 pm

Nasti over Lescott any day of the week for me
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:44 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:Despite the fact he has the odd mistake in him still, I feel much calmer knowing he's playing instead of Lescott as Lescott generally has a big rick in him just when you don't need it.


This is the stuff which does my head in.

if people prefer Nasti then that's upto them but Lescott does not make any more mistakes than anybody else & Nasti has replicated every single mistake made by Lescott . If he gets away with it; good luck to him but criticism handed out to JL is just so unfair.


Fair comment Ted, but I think the inference is that, as he develops and matures, any mistakes that Nasti might tend to make will diminish in number and seriousness and we'll then be left with a superbly consistent footballing centre-back.

At least, I'm surmising that that's the hope in everyone and no disrespect to Lescott is meant.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Swales4ever » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:56 pm

Only remarkable difference I can appreciate among the two, particularly in perspective, is the circulation of the ball and overall placement when we got the ball on the back.

Joleon has been the best CB in all Europe last season, though. imho.

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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Kladze » Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:12 pm

Aside from all else that's been said, I'm pleased by the lack of drama building up around him on the pitch.

Of course, old heads like Kompany's and Zabaletta's are guiding him but that's only to be expected anyway.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:03 am

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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby bobby brows » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:44 am

the problem with Savic last year was the things that he couldn't do are the things that every single professional footballer should be able to do. i.e. head a ball.

Nastasic makes some mistakes but there mistakes that he won't make if he continues to play most weeks. what he does well are the basic which are the hardest to get right and if you can't now you never will.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:38 am

To me he looks ok at everything, but still a tad shaky and prone to a lapse.

His heading is ok, tackling ok, pressure ok and ball play ok. Nothing remarkably better than jolean, but nothing horrendous either.

I also think he's a lucky kid to be in the side right as our Belgian colossus rediscovers his form and isn't letting anything past.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby xavi6 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:16 am

Massive prospect, and at 19 that's all he is at the moment. I'm impressed with his physicality and composure, especially on the ball.

One thing to note, and it was always a criticism of Lescott, is that he doesn't tend to hoof the ball forward. Here's some stats to bore you -

Against Wigan - 41 passes attempted, 38 completed (93%). Just two long passes, one of which was from the centre circle to left back.

Alongside that, Zabaleta completed 100% of his passes, none of which were long, and Kompany hit 95%.

Basically our ball retention from the back is getting better and to me it's a big factor why we're not giving up many chances (Wigan had one shot on target, Chelsea barely got a sniff, Villa didn't offer anything). Nastasic is doing very nicely in that regard as well as looking defensively competent.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby ant london » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:27 am

xavi6 wrote:Massive prospect, and at 19 that's all he is at the moment. I'm impressed with his physicality and composure, especially on the ball.

One thing to note, and it was always a criticism of Lescott, is that he doesn't tend to hoof the ball forward. Here's some stats to bore you -

Against Wigan - 41 passes attempted, 38 completed (93%). Just two long passes, one of which was from the centre circle to left back.

Alongside that, Zabaleta completed 100% of his passes, none of which were long, and Kompany hit 95%.

Basically our ball retention from the back is getting better and to me it's a big factor why we're not giving up many chances (Wigan had one shot on target, Chelsea barely got a sniff, Villa didn't offer anything). Nastasic is doing very nicely in that regard as well as looking defensively competent.



100% and great summary for me of what he is bringing to the side.

Lescott is a great defender but he palpably lacks confidence when he gets the ball at his feet (usually with little pressure) and seems convinced he can do nothing but knock it to Vinnnie (who is worse placed than he is) or to Kola/Dale who then give it him back...and to you again.

His tendency to do this again and again (or just lump it aimlessly upfield) just invites pressure as if makes us seem uncomfortable in possession and says "come and have a go" to the opposition IMO.

Eliminating that from the team and having someone who can actually use the ball in a positive sense is a big improvement for us in possession.

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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:18 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Could become a great player & seems to be emotionally stable but he isn't the one doing the defending. If you put a clone of him in place of Vinny, we would lose every game.

Someone has to actually go out & stop people & there are two in that side who do that job: Vinny+Zabba. Nastasic is not a great defender at this time, just a very promising one.


Surprisingly harsh Ted.
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Re: Thoughts on Nastacic?

Postby dazby » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:47 am

He's beginning to make his mark. I see him at the moment as Mr 75%. He's 75% good at everything but a master of none. Still, it's a great base to work from.
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