Dortmund v city

[paulmclaren]

It's not only that You don't win football games without bossing the mid of the park: You DON'T PLAY!

I blame 100% the manager for tonight embarassment, TWICE:
1) for sanctioning that disgusting purchase of that complete utter[strike]shite[/strike] non footballer named Javi Garcia, instead of grow some balls and call up the failure of the market. Risking on Abdi would have gained much more respect to him and some economy to the Club.
2) for not taking that joke of hands stolen from farming off the pictch after 15 minutes! I know we have 4 central mids, one injured and one suspended. You could still have better moved Nasri alongside Gaz Baz, or getting Zabba in there, or even better offer some experience to Evans.

It's not droll, it's lapse of reason, ffs. THIS IS NOT ROBERTO MANCINI FOOBALL. Someone, DH plese, should remind him that his fooball is based on domination of the midfield: You dominate fuck all killing Gareth Barry by asking him to carry on the whole Team on his sole shoulders!

I AM FUCKING LOST. SHOULD A SHAME LIKE THIS REPEATS I WILL WANT THE MANAGER OUT!

I'm more arsed about him changing to 3 at the back again tbh, it ruined the confidence of our better players & made us look stupid. I was all for the idea of playing fringe players like Garcia tonight.

I disagree completely, Mate.
Again, I am not a fan of the back three system, at all, but may help in many occasion and it's an additional competence that Top sides must have under the belt. We can, I did, question the timing of its introduction, but once he decided for that it's positive to work on it. and tbf it's worked out a couple of stalmates.

On the complete utmost opposite, fielding a non footballer and masking him as a fringe player, it's a temporary (HOPEFULLY) lapse of reasoning. Twice the worst in a game that counted for the Club, and that He proved on willing to win, by fatiguing Barry and Tevez, first and foremost!
Sinclair is a fringe, the 3 Lads from EDS are fringe, Garcia is arms stolen out of farming job.

We were playing well in the game & almost equalised just before Bob changed it.

Then, just as in Amsterdam, we were a joke & just about every possible defensive mistake was made by just about every player, & we ceased to exist as an attacking force for about 20 mins.

If I'd had a 'sack' button at that moment, I would have pressed it.

Ok we sack Mancini but who takes his place?
The few that i would pick is Guss Hiddink, Mourinho(can't see it tbh) and maybe Guardiola, that's it.

[Ted Hughes]

It's not only that You don't win football games without bossing the mid of the park: You DON'T PLAY!

I blame 100% the manager for tonight embarassment, TWICE:
1) for sanctioning that disgusting purchase of that complete utter[strike]shite[/strike] non footballer named Javi Garcia, instead of grow some balls and call up the failure of the market. Risking on Abdi would have gained much more respect to him and some economy to the Club.
2) for not taking that joke of hands stolen from farming off the pictch after 15 minutes! I know we have 4 central mids, one injured and one suspended. You could still have better moved Nasri alongside Gaz Baz, or getting Zabba in there, or even better offer some experience to Evans.

It's not droll, it's lapse of reason, ffs. THIS IS NOT ROBERTO MANCINI FOOBALL. Someone, DH plese, should remind him that his fooball is based on domination of the midfield: You dominate fuck all killing Gareth Barry by asking him to carry on the whole Team on his sole shoulders!

I AM FUCKING LOST. SHOULD A SHAME LIKE THIS REPEATS I WILL WANT THE MANAGER OUT!

I'm more arsed about him changing to 3 at the back again tbh, it ruined the confidence of our better players & made us look stupid. I was all for the idea of playing fringe players like Garcia tonight.

I disagree completely, Mate.
Again, I am not a fan of the back three system, at all, but may help in many occasion and it's an additional competence that Top sides must have under the belt. We can, I did, question the timing of its introduction, but once he decided for that it's positive to work on it. and tbf it's worked out a couple of stalmates.

On the complete utmost opposite, fielding a non footballer and masking him as a fringe player, it's a temporary (HOPEFULLY) lapse of reasoning. Twice the worst in a game that counted for the Club, and that He proved on willing to win, by fatiguing Barry and Tevez, first and foremost!
Sinclair is a fringe, the 3 Lads from EDS are fringe, Garcia is arms stolen out of farming job.

We were playing well in the game & almost equalised just before Bob changed it.

Then, just as in Amsterdam, we were a joke & just about every possible defensive mistake was made by just about every player, & we ceased to exist as an attacking force for about 20 mins.

If I'd had a 'sack' button at that moment, I would have pressed it.

Ok we sack Mancini but who takes his place?
The few that i would pick is Guss Hiddink, Mourinho(can't see it tbh) and maybe Guardiola, that's it.

I don't want to sack him, I'm just saying that, when he moved to 3 at the back, he would have copped it if I'd had a kneejerk option.

I've had chance to become apathetic again now & I'd rather go for stability.

Sheikh Mansour has a 'sack' button though.

[Beefymcfc]

Absolute garbage in the champions league, but the Europa would have been a massive distraction with 1/2 the squad training normally and the other half travelling Europe. The match day preparations for league games would be disrupted, Thursday Sunday Thursday Sunday is not what I wanted. I am glad we are out of the Europa, I think it will be good for us in the long run this season. Mancini really needs to sort his European tactics and team selection out, he needs to take a long hard look at HIS mistakes and fix them.

We have not been ripping up trees in the premier league either, I am not too confident about the weekend, just glad we are at home and not at the swamp.

Agree with that, in the main. We knew the score before we played and I'm not sure if Carlos understood that we still couldn't qualify for the next round .... everybody else did.

If we qualify and fuck up the same next season the Mancini needs shafting; literally! In the meantime we need to ensure our next evolution with a verygood Premier League result. One/Two is the least he requires.

[Swales4ever]

We were playing well in the game & almost equalised just before Bob changed it.

Then, just as in Amsterdam, we were a joke & just about every possible defensive mistake was made by just about every player, & we ceased to exist as an attacking force for about 20 mins.

If I'd had a 'sack' button at that moment, I would have pressed it.

I see Your point, Ted.
I already knew it and I do respect it, not only because it comes from someone who knows its football, but because it's a fair point.
I still disagree,though, for the reasons I said before.
In all honesty I didn't see us much in the verge of equalising: yes we've had a couple of opportunities, almost casually, but You know my general point of view: You must own the park, then everything comes further on, naturally, having the right personnel upfront (obviously). Today the manager asked Gareth Barry to run a one man show, against one of the best side in Europe. That's his fault/sin, not trying to play to overtake a losing game by a tactical trick.
I supposed It's almost like You prefer blondes or brunettes... but on this point it's just an endless debate.
I'd had pushed that button every time Garcia slipped on the ball after 15 minutes.
As you said, thanks for MCFC, not me, You or other emotional fans holds that button.

[freshie]

Absolute garbage in the champions league, but the Europa would have been a massive distraction with 1/2 the squad training normally and the other half travelling Europe. The match day preparations for league games would be disrupted, Thursday Sunday Thursday Sunday is not what I wanted. I am glad we are out of the Europa, I think it will be good for us in the long run this season. Mancini really needs to sort his European tactics and team selection out, he needs to take a long hard look at HIS mistakes and fix them.

We have not been ripping up trees in the premier league either, I am not too confident about the weekend, just glad we are at home and not at the swamp.

Agree with that, in the main. We knew the score before we played and I'm not sure if Carlos understood that we still couldn't qualify for the next round .... everybody else did.

If we qualify and fuck up the same next season the Mancini needs shafting; literally! In the meantime we need to ensure our next evolution with a verygood Premier League result. One/Two is the least he requires.

Seeing as we have not even qualified for the Europa League, we are very likely to be in the same predicament next season due to our poor UEFA coefficient. Groundhog day

[City64]

Absolute garbage in the champions league, but the Europa would have been a massive distraction with 1/2 the squad training normally and the other half travelling Europe. The match day preparations for league games would be disrupted, Thursday Sunday Thursday Sunday is not what I wanted. I am glad we are out of the Europa, I think it will be good for us in the long run this season. Mancini really needs to sort his European tactics and team selection out, he needs to take a long hard look at HIS mistakes and fix them.

We have not been ripping up trees in the premier league either, I am not too confident about the weekend, just glad we are at home and not at the swamp.

Agree with that, in the main. We knew the score before we played and I'm not sure if Carlos understood that we still couldn't qualify for the next round .... everybody else did.

If we qualify and fuck up the same next season the Mancini needs shafting; literally! In the meantime we need to ensure our next evolution with a verygood Premier League result. One/Two is the least he requires.

Seeing as we have not even qualified for the Europa League, we are very likely to be in the same predicament next season due to our poor UEFA coefficient. Groundhog day

Coefficent is a load of bollocks and cant be implemented ....... Platini is also a bell end !

[Ted Hughes]

We were playing well in the game & almost equalised just before Bob changed it.

Then, just as in Amsterdam, we were a joke & just about every possible defensive mistake was made by just about every player, & we ceased to exist as an attacking force for about 20 mins.

If I'd had a 'sack' button at that moment, I would have pressed it.

I see Your point, Ted.
I already knew it and I do respect it, not only because it comes from someone who knows its football, but because it's a fair point.
I still disagree,though, for the reasons I said before.
In all honesty I didn't see us much in the verge of equalising: yes we've had a couple of opportunities, almost casually, but You know my general point of view: You must own the park, then everything comes further on, naturally, having the right personnel upfront (obviously). Today the manager asked Gareth Barry to run a one man show, against one of the best side in Europe. That's his fault/sin, not trying to play to overtake a losing game by a tactical trick.
I supposed It's almost like You prefer blondes or brunettes... but on this point it's just an endless debate.
I'd had pushed that button every time Garcia slipped on the ball after 15 minutes.
As you said, thanks for MCFC, not me, You or other emotional fans holds that button.

We need to find some midfield players who can run as well as play.

Imo, had the Goat been playing rather than Dzeko, we would have won the last two games irrespective of Bob's antics, but I still have no fucking idea what Bob is doing half the time these days or why he is doing it.

[getdressedmctavish]

Grim watching. All Mancini's faults exposed in glorious technicolour. Lack of team motivation and bonding, some insane buys, slow build up, non penetration due to over caution/lack of concerted forward running,shambolic tactics, poor preparation of players, poor organisation.Where do you start.Or stop? If this is God no wonder I'm an atheist.But history says we'll beat the rags with a totally different, self motivated display.

[Swales4ever]

Absolute garbage in the champions league, but the Europa would have been a massive distraction with 1/2 the squad training normally and the other half travelling Europe. The match day preparations for league games would be disrupted, Thursday Sunday Thursday Sunday is not what I wanted. I am glad we are out of the Europa, I think it will be good for us in the long run this season. Mancini really needs to sort his European tactics and team selection out, he needs to take a long hard look at HIS mistakes and fix them.

We have not been ripping up trees in the premier league either, I am not too confident about the weekend, just glad we are at home and not at the swamp.

Agree with that, in the main. We knew the score before we played and I'm not sure if Carlos understood that we still couldn't qualify for the next round .... everybody else did.

If we qualify and fuck up the same next season the Mancini needs shafting; literally! In the meantime we need to ensure our next evolution with a verygood Premier League result. One/Two is the least he requires.

Seeing as we have not even qualified for the Europa League, we are very likely to be in the same predicament next season due to our poor UEFA coefficient. Groundhog day

I very much hoped we went through for the same reason, but in all fairness, this draw we were in the second pot and we have been "tailored" the worst, hardest CL group ever.
We wont be handed a United group, not even if we could rise to pot one, which I doubt could have happened even if we have won the CL this season.
We just MUST live up to our faith: impose us as the Best starting from group stage instead of maybe quarter finals. As simple as that. the coefficient it's just a fake mask.
I think we will go places next season, irrespectively.

[Swales4ever]

Grim watching. All Mancini's faults exposed in glorious technicolour. Lack of team motivation and bonding, some insane buys, slow build up, non penetration due to over caution/lack of concerted forward running,shambolic tactics, poor preparation of players, poor organisation.Where do you start.Or stop? If this is God no wonder I'm an atheist.But history says we'll beat the rags with a totally different, self motivated display.

I dunno why but everytime I see Your silly statements I feel as I wanted blood.
perhaps I better rest.

[Ted Hughes]

Absolute garbage in the champions league, but the Europa would have been a massive distraction with 1/2 the squad training normally and the other half travelling Europe. The match day preparations for league games would be disrupted, Thursday Sunday Thursday Sunday is not what I wanted. I am glad we are out of the Europa, I think it will be good for us in the long run this season. Mancini really needs to sort his European tactics and team selection out, he needs to take a long hard look at HIS mistakes and fix them.

We have not been ripping up trees in the premier league either, I am not too confident about the weekend, just glad we are at home and not at the swamp.

Agree with that, in the main. We knew the score before we played and I'm not sure if Carlos understood that we still couldn't qualify for the next round .... everybody else did.

If we qualify and fuck up the same next season the Mancini needs shafting; literally! In the meantime we need to ensure our next evolution with a verygood Premier League result. One/Two is the least he requires.

Seeing as we have not even qualified for the Europa League, we are very likely to be in the same predicament next season due to our poor UEFA coefficient. Groundhog day

Coefficent is a load of bollocks and cant be implemented ....... Platini is also a bell end !

I prefer it like this.

Imo, we have the resources to win groups like this & sooner or later either Bob will do it or someone else will.

I would rather play in a 'group of death' than the mundane shite the rags have to crawl unconvincingly through.

There would be no point in us winning this group unless we deserve it; we would just get fucking hammered in the next round.

This shows us where we need to be, & where we should be. The 'experience' stuff is horse shit & an excuse by the manager for his own lack of pedigree. Both he and the players need to learn fast, or they will all be replaced; and they will deserve it.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Absolute garbage in the champions league, but the Europa would have been a massive distraction with 1/2 the squad training normally and the other half travelling Europe. The match day preparations for league games would be disrupted, Thursday Sunday Thursday Sunday is not what I wanted. I am glad we are out of the Europa, I think it will be good for us in the long run this season. Mancini really needs to sort his European tactics and team selection out, he needs to take a long hard look at HIS mistakes and fix them.

We have not been ripping up trees in the premier league either, I am not too confident about the weekend, just glad we are at home and not at the swamp.

Agree with that, in the main. We knew the score before we played and I'm not sure if Carlos understood that we still couldn't qualify for the next round .... everybody else did.

If we qualify and fuck up the same next season the Mancini needs shafting; literally! In the meantime we need to ensure our next evolution with a verygood Premier League result. One/Two is the least he requires.

Seeing as we have not even qualified for the Europa League, we are very likely to be in the same predicament next season due to our poor UEFA coefficient. Groundhog day

Coefficent is a load of bollocks and cant be implemented ....... Platini is also a bell end !

Dortmund had the lowest co-efficient in the group and came top.

[freshie]

Absolute garbage in the champions league, but the Europa would have been a massive distraction with 1/2 the squad training normally and the other half travelling Europe. The match day preparations for league games would be disrupted, Thursday Sunday Thursday Sunday is not what I wanted. I am glad we are out of the Europa, I think it will be good for us in the long run this season. Mancini really needs to sort his European tactics and team selection out, he needs to take a long hard look at HIS mistakes and fix them.

We have not been ripping up trees in the premier league either, I am not too confident about the weekend, just glad we are at home and not at the swamp.

Agree with that, in the main. We knew the score before we played and I'm not sure if Carlos understood that we still couldn't qualify for the next round .... everybody else did.

If we qualify and fuck up the same next season the Mancini needs shafting; literally! In the meantime we need to ensure our next evolution with a verygood Premier League result. One/Two is the least he requires.

Seeing as we have not even qualified for the Europa League, we are very likely to be in the same predicament next season due to our poor UEFA coefficient. Groundhog day

Coefficent is a load of bollocks and cant be implemented ....... Platini is also a bell end !

Believe what you want but that is why we were in Pot 2 of the Champions League draw this season and as we have done nothing to improve our coefficient this season we will be in Pot 2 or possiby even 3 next season as we will only have roughly 57 points next season. Have a look at this http://uk.uefa.com/memberassociations/u ... index.html

[Swales4ever]

We were playing well in the game & almost equalised just before Bob changed it.

Then, just as in Amsterdam, we were a joke & just about every possible defensive mistake was made by just about every player, & we ceased to exist as an attacking force for about 20 mins.

If I'd had a 'sack' button at that moment, I would have pressed it.

I see Your point, Ted.
I already knew it and I do respect it, not only because it comes from someone who knows its football, but because it's a fair point.
I still disagree,though, for the reasons I said before.
In all honesty I didn't see us much in the verge of equalising: yes we've had a couple of opportunities, almost casually, but You know my general point of view: You must own the park, then everything comes further on, naturally, having the right personnel upfront (obviously). Today the manager asked Gareth Barry to run a one man show, against one of the best side in Europe. That's his fault/sin, not trying to play to overtake a losing game by a tactical trick.
I supposed It's almost like You prefer blondes or brunettes... but on this point it's just an endless debate.
I'd had pushed that button every time Garcia slipped on the ball after 15 minutes.
As you said, thanks for MCFC, not me, You or other emotional fans holds that button.

We need to find some midfield players who can run as well as play.

Imo, had the Goat been playing rather than Dzeko, we would have won the last two games irrespective of Bob's antics, but I still have no fucking idea what Bob is doing half the time these days or why he is doing it.

Fair enough.
As You read on my previous opinions, I thought we would have won several of the previous Cl games of this campaign, should we had FeedtheGoat instead of Edin or Sergio of this early spell of the season.
But this match, imvho, has nothing to do with players: lack of spark, accuracy, killer instinct: whatsoever.
It only has to do with an ORIGINAL, HUGE SIN, stubbornly taken to the extreme by the manager.
We could have won it? Maybe: as I said, if the managerhad replaced Garcia not later than HT, with decent stuff at his option.
Repossessing the midfield would certainly have helped Tevez and the very disappointing talent of Nasri, to feed whoever willing to strike.

[Swales4ever]

Absolute garbage in the champions league, but the Europa would have been a massive distraction with 1/2 the squad training normally and the other half travelling Europe. The match day preparations for league games would be disrupted, Thursday Sunday Thursday Sunday is not what I wanted. I am glad we are out of the Europa, I think it will be good for us in the long run this season. Mancini really needs to sort his European tactics and team selection out, he needs to take a long hard look at HIS mistakes and fix them.

We have not been ripping up trees in the premier league either, I am not too confident about the weekend, just glad we are at home and not at the swamp.

Agree with that, in the main. We knew the score before we played and I'm not sure if Carlos understood that we still couldn't qualify for the next round .... everybody else did.

If we qualify and fuck up the same next season the Mancini needs shafting; literally! In the meantime we need to ensure our next evolution with a verygood Premier League result. One/Two is the least he requires.

Seeing as we have not even qualified for the Europa League, we are very likely to be in the same predicament next season due to our poor UEFA coefficient. Groundhog day

Coefficent is a load of bollocks and cant be implemented ....... Platini is also a bell end !

[highlight]Dortmund had the lowest co-efficient in the group and came top[/highlight].

[freshie]

Absolute garbage in the champions league, but the Europa would have been a massive distraction with 1/2 the squad training normally and the other half travelling Europe. The match day preparations for league games would be disrupted, Thursday Sunday Thursday Sunday is not what I wanted. I am glad we are out of the Europa, I think it will be good for us in the long run this season. Mancini really needs to sort his European tactics and team selection out, he needs to take a long hard look at HIS mistakes and fix them.

We have not been ripping up trees in the premier league either, I am not too confident about the weekend, just glad we are at home and not at the swamp.

Agree with that, in the main. We knew the score before we played and I'm not sure if Carlos understood that we still couldn't qualify for the next round .... everybody else did.

If we qualify and fuck up the same next season the Mancini needs shafting; literally! In the meantime we need to ensure our next evolution with a verygood Premier League result. One/Two is the least he requires.

Seeing as we have not even qualified for the Europa League, we are very likely to be in the same predicament next season due to our poor UEFA coefficient. Groundhog day

Coefficent is a load of bollocks and cant be implemented ....... Platini is also a bell end !

Dortmund had the lowest co-efficient in the group and came top.

Good point. We have the resources and playing staff to get out of a group like the one we were in this season, however the simple reason that we didn't is because we were in a group that contained 2 teams in Real and Dortmund who are vastly superior to us. Even if we had been in an easier group and got through to the second round the chances are that we would have been eliminated in the second round cos we are shit in Europe. If we are realistically aiming to win the Champions League we are going to have to face the top teams at some stage so whether it is in the group stages or knockout stages should be irrelevant I suppose

[Manc bluey]

I don't care what some fans say this is fucking embarrassing for us!! We may have not preferred Europa but its better than no European comp at all to go for! Hart nearly crying summed it up for us! We should've at least got a win or 2 even with our tough group.

[Goaters 103]

Tonights inevitable defeat will no doubt begin a 48 hour media bashing session. Tbh, our CL campaign, given our squad, was pathetic and the two games against a very average Ajax side particularly abysmal.

That said, missing out on the Europa League isnt something that Im at all disappointed about. As a fan who forks out every week, "missing" the chance to spend another £100 - £150 (factoirng in 1 Adult and 2 kids tkts), to watch us stumble and fumble our way about on a Thursday night against 2nd tier european teams, before succumbing to a team we should hammer but dont - in front of a stadium with 10k empty seats - is something I can come to terms with.

No excuses for the Prem Lge and FA Cup now; no fixture congestion, and Mancini knows he will have to win at least one of those to retain his job, given the new superiors he needs to win favour with. He has ground to make up, and so has this squad. Over to you City......

[ant london]

I'm pissed off at our CL campaign but I'm very glad we're not in the Europa....as others have said no excuses now not to win the league and maybe even a double.

Mancini fails to get the league he will be out IMO and he has only himself to blame.

I don't want that and don't think it ought to come to pass but if it does it won't be overly harsh

[ross.mcfc]

I do not think I have cared less about a City game in such a long time.

Mancini may have signed his own death note with the performances in the CL this season. Our owners did not invest all that money to finish rock bottom of a CL group with 3 points. That is an embaressing position to be in after all the money we have spent.

He has to win the league, comfortably, to save his skin. Even then I am not sure that will be enough. Not saying I agree with it but 3 points is a massive stain on our season regardless of what we do domestically.