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Re: German Football

Postby BlueinBosnia » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:48 pm

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PALUS wrote:Is there in England any club of any connection of any kind with any club, whether domestic or international?

Swansea & ADO den Haag
Notts County & Juventus
Linfield (NI) & either Rangers or Celtic (actually, this goes for quite a few Northern Irish clubs)

There's a few others, too. Normally due to links with a particular cult hero (at the moment we have fans popping in to watch Brentford 'cos of Uwe), and internationally due to friendlies, or short-lived one-off European campaigns.

Juventus i watch u know that guy from movie footbal factory and hes show when he was with Juventus funs like leaders and they say they hate evry english club or man even him (think that is the Heysel thing if i got it wrigth)

To be honest, that programme is a bit of a joke. And would you really take the word of an Italian? ;)
Juve & Notts County have - 'officially' at least - got a very strong bond: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... tts-county. Yes, you're right about the Heysel thing. Shame they don't hate UEFA for their shambolic arrangements which led to the disaster.

Due to English football's image in the 1980s, the clubs have made enemies in every country which embraces neo-hooligan chic; Turkey, Italy, Serbia, Poland, etc. The problem is, these 'fans' watch Green Street and Football Factory, and assume that this is 'real life', therefore they're all 'up for it' when English clubs come to town, until they see that a large proportion of fans are middle aged or families.
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Re: German Football

Postby PeterParker » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:12 pm

BlueinBosnia wrote:
PALUS wrote:
BlueinBosnia wrote:
PALUS wrote:Is there in England any club of any connection of any kind with any club, whether domestic or international?

Swansea & ADO den Haag
Notts County & Juventus
Linfield (NI) & either Rangers or Celtic (actually, this goes for quite a few Northern Irish clubs)

There's a few others, too. Normally due to links with a particular cult hero (at the moment we have fans popping in to watch Brentford 'cos of Uwe), and internationally due to friendlies, or short-lived one-off European campaigns.

Juventus i watch u know that guy from movie footbal factory and hes show when he was with Juventus funs like leaders and they say they hate evry english club or man even him (think that is the Heysel thing if i got it wrigth)

To be honest, that programme is a bit of a joke. And would you really take the word of an Italian? ;)
Juve & Notts County have - 'officially' at least - got a very strong bond: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... tts-county. Yes, you're right about the Heysel thing. Shame they don't hate UEFA for their shambolic arrangements which led to the disaster.

Due to English football's image in the 1980s, the clubs have made enemies in every country which embraces neo-hooligan chic; Turkey, Italy, Serbia, Poland, etc. The problem is, these 'fans' watch Green Street and Football Factory, and assume that this is 'real life', therefore they're all 'up for it' when English clubs come to town, until they see that a large proportion of fans are middle aged or families.



If i recall, in the 60"s there was a bond between Luton and Steaua. The clubs had a lot of tours, cups, were they invited each other and looked very close, but then who knows what happend.
And to be a little off topic to the whole german football thread, most of european fans are different of the english types. They are following the italian ultras way of supporter and of course, a lot of them, "are inspired" after seeing these boom of hooligan movies that were released the past years, likt GSh, FF, The remake of the Firm, Cass, Away Days and so on.
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Re: German Football

Postby PALUS » Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:53 pm

PeterParker wrote:
BlueinBosnia wrote:
PALUS wrote:
BlueinBosnia wrote:
PALUS wrote:Is there in England any club of any connection of any kind with any club, whether domestic or international?

Swansea & ADO den Haag
Notts County & Juventus
Linfield (NI) & either Rangers or Celtic (actually, this goes for quite a few Northern Irish clubs)

There's a few others, too. Normally due to links with a particular cult hero (at the moment we have fans popping in to watch Brentford 'cos of Uwe), and internationally due to friendlies, or short-lived one-off European campaigns.

Juventus i watch u know that guy from movie footbal factory and hes show when he was with Juventus funs like leaders and they say they hate evry english club or man even him (think that is the Heysel thing if i got it wrigth)

To be honest, that programme is a bit of a joke. And would you really take the word of an Italian? ;)
Juve & Notts County have - 'officially' at least - got a very strong bond: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... tts-county. Yes, you're right about the Heysel thing. Shame they don't hate UEFA for their shambolic arrangements which led to the disaster.

Due to English football's image in the 1980s, the clubs have made enemies in every country which embraces neo-hooligan chic; Turkey, Italy, Serbia, Poland, etc. The problem is, these 'fans' watch Green Street and Football Factory, and assume that this is 'real life', therefore they're all 'up for it' when English clubs come to town, until they see that a large proportion of fans are middle aged or families.



If i recall, in the 60"s there was a bond between Luton and Steaua. The clubs had a lot of tours, cups, were they invited each other and looked very close, but then who knows what happend.
And to be a little off topic to the whole german football thread, most of european fans are different of the english types. They are following the italian ultras way of supporter and of course, a lot of them, "are inspired" after seeing these boom of hooligan movies that were released the past years, likt GSh, FF, The remake of the Firm, Cass, Away Days and so on.

I agree on this 100 % at list for the south of the europe Balkan and Greece ,Turkey wll Germany to look relly like ultras with flags and collors and arange pics, and abaut english funs i agree that UEFA hold big responsibility in wath hapend to Heysel and probobly that is the reason and 80 and shit in was it in France or Germany thatt English funs did , well one of recent one and for me honestly the most dangures place for u guys is Turkey there funs are nuts like u have crazy fuckin i will smash somwone brain tonight funs, and they for some reason hate English funs any club in Turkey.
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Re: German Football

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:47 pm

these "fan partnerships" don't really seem to apply in england. they certainly do elsewhere, in germany every team seems to have particular clubs they get on with and others that they definitely dont.

in cyprus clubs seemed to affiliate on political lines - it seemed that every town (and quite a few villages) had a left wing team and a right wing team. quite strange at some games.

the only affiliations I know for sure are the triumvirate of St Pauli-Celtic-Bohemians (Prague), and a good number of fans regularly travel to each others games. This has spawned a rangers-HSV Hamburg thing.

I think a lot of this comes to supporters' organisations - in many countries abroad the supporters are organised on quite formal levels, whereas here there doesn't seem to have been very much at all.

TomS knows a lot about these partnerships...
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Re: German Football

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:44 pm

revived for (what i think is) an interesting article from the guardian:

FC Union Berlin are not your ordinary club. The small team that lived in the shadow of the Stasi-sponsored Dynamo Berlin for so many years are now thriving in the German second division with remarkable fans who once saved their club by giving en masse blood transfusions and, in 2008, worked for 140,000 hours to rebuild their stadium.

And on Sunday they will carry out what must surely be the best Christmas tradition in the world of football when they meet up at the stadium to sing Christmas carols for 90 minutes. And there's not even a game on. When the tradition started in 2003, 89 people turned up. Last year 17,000 came.

The level of commitment from the fans is extraordinary, and the club are far, far away from the multibillionaire-owned clubs such as Manchester City and Chelsea. And yet they could be playing in the Bundesliga next season. They entered the winter break seventh in the second Bundesliga.

Unification has not been kind to the clubs from the former GDR. Several clubs that used to be so successful never found a way to make it in the new world of free market and capitalism. Since a few years back there is not even a club from the east in the Bundesliga.

That is why so much hope is attached to Union. The club's economy is healthy and their league position is at an all-time high.

But it wasn't always like that. The defender Rolf Weber played 206 league games for Union in the first and the second GDR league between 1970 and 1981. When I asked him to explain what is so special about the club he answered: "We lost more games than we won, but the fans never let us down. The atmosphere always was amazing."

In fact, Union have a bigger track record of economical crises than winning trophies. And the fans are always there to help. In 2004 the club urgently needed about £1.5m to avoid bankruptcy. The supporters then organised a campaign named "Bleed for Union" where fans gave blood and forwarded the reimbursement to Union Berlin.

The close relation between club and fans is well documented. The president, Dirk Zingler, is a supporter who has a big understanding of what the fans think and what they want. In an interview with football magazine 11Freunde he was asked what he thought of the fans' criticism of the police's conduct at an away game in Frankfurt. "No one has to tell me what went on there," he said. "I was one of the 1,500 fans there."

In 2008, when Union had to modernise their stadium, Stadion an der alten Försterei, Zingler quickly established that the club would not be able to afford it without a great contribution from the fans.

No problem. With the help from almost 2,400 volunteers the stadium was rebuilt in 300 days. Together they worked an extraordinary 140,000 hours without being paid and Union now have a modern stadium, which still has 80% standing.

Also, the club are quite allergic to transfer fees. Until two years ago there was a strict policy of not paying any transfer fees. That had been ongoing for five years. There has been a relaxation of that policy as the club have become stronger but their record transfer is still the modest £400,000 they paid for the Brazilian striker Silvio when he arrived from the Swiss club Lausanne in the summer of 2011.

FC Union Berlin have always been outsiders in German professional football. It's not a coincidence that the famous punk singer Nina Hagen sings the club hymn that is played in the stadium before every game.

Before 1989 Dynamo Berlin, the fiercest rivals, belonged to the Stasi – ministry for state security – and were in many ways a symbol for the hated GDR regime. Union Berlin were the free football club, without any connections to army, police or state. Stadion an der alten Försterei (Stadium near the old forester's house) developed into a meeting point for regime critics. When Union had a free-kick, the spectators used to shout "Die Mauer muss weg" (the wall has to fall). It went so far, in fact, that people went to Union games without even being interested in football.

In 1989, the wall fell, and the hated club of Dynamo Berlin did as well. BFC Dynamo, who won 10 league titles during their glory days, are nowadays a mediocre team in the fifth division.

As mentioned, the 2 Bundesliga has entered its winter break but on Sunday the fans will gather to sing for 90 minutes one last time before Christmas. The stadium will be packed again. Not for a game but for the single purpose of drinking Glühwein (mulled wine) and singing Christmas carols.

This year is the 10th anniversary of this peculiar but warming tradition. Torsten Eisenbeiser, who came up with the idea, says: "After a couple of bad games we, who always stand together during the games, just went home without wishing each other merry Christmas. I suggested to one friend that we should get together in the stadium the day before Christmas Eve and sing some Christmas songs."

In the end 89 people showed up for this underground event. Officially the stadium was closed. Through word of mouth, however, the event has got bigger and bigger. In the third year it became an official event and last year more than 17,000 people made their way to the stadium. Not only from Berlin, but from several other parts of Germany as well as other countries.

Over the years the Union Christmas singing has changed shape. Now it goes on for 90 minutes (plus some stoppage time) and every visitor is given a candle and a booklet with all the songs.

Even some of the players and their families attend. The defender Christian Stuff is one of them and for him this tradition is proof that Union Berlin are a special club.

"As a player you appreciate it here," he says. "Not only the atmosphere but also the understanding from the fans. They don't demand that we should win every time, just that we always are trying our best. The Christmas singing is extraordinary. Just to see all the candles is very cool."

It has also transpired that fans from other clubs also take part. As early as the second year, a Hertha Berlin member card was found in a wallet that had been left behind.

Eisenbeiser says: "We just wish each other merry Christmas – it doesn't matter which team you are supporting. No one leaves the stadium as a loser."


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Re: German Football

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:58 pm

Good thread. Sometimes I think Germany just get loads of things right in the way of politics, football, culture. It's a shame they never tried to expand really.

Arjan - can you explain why they were getting money for giving blood though?
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Re: German Football

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:12 pm

LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:Good thread. Sometimes I think Germany just get loads of things right in the way of politics, football, culture. It's a shame they never tried to expand really.


i actually totally agree with the 2nd sentence - i am somewhat a germanophile, as you may have gathered. (ashton, before you call up yer crew, that doesn't mean i shag german kids) however:

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LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:Arjan - can you explain why they were getting money for giving blood though?


as i understand it you get expenses for donating blood in germany - and they had a mass transfusion and gave the money to the club.
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Re: German Football

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:30 pm

I really want to visit. Would you say Berlin is a good place to start?

Good to hear about the blood. I was a little afraid it was similar to here where you donate for free and the fans were holding needy people to ransom.
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Re: German Football

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:37 pm

LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:I really want to visit. Would you say Berlin is a good place to start?

Good to hear about the blood. I was a little afraid it was similar to here where you donate for free and the fans were holding needy people to ransom.


haha, maybe....

my first call would be st pauli, if you're left of liberal. other than that, union berlin & rot-weiss essen have been good days out. but most german clubs offer you an "experience". if you do your research and decide on Hansa "Fucking" Rostock or HSV, I will kill you with my bare hands.
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Re: German Football

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:54 pm

Haha, I was talking general visiting really but obvious it'd be rude not to take in a game or two.

They still have the strippers at St Pauli right?
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Re: German Football

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:09 am

LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:Haha, I was talking general visiting really but obvious it'd be rude not to take in a game or two.

They still have the strippers at St Pauli right?


i have no idea about the strippers, lost interest when they all turned into "lap dancers" instead of dirty doffers. and the dtrippers ACTUALLY at st pauli got kicked out before they started practically. but i hear the st pauli area of hamburg is filthy.

generally? i'd put berlin, munich and hamburg (in that order) at the top of the list, but there's something gritty about nord rhein-westphalia (Koln, dusseldorf etc). don't stay in essen though - it's shit.
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Re: German Football

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:45 am

If not for the so called FFP & the cartel, our owners would have no problem creating a special relationship at City, with cheaper tickets, bigger attendances & a bit of standing.

We might not get the carol singers in numbers but we could certainly get the football crowds & so could some others.
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Re: German Football

Postby DoomMerchant » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:48 am

they had my undivided attention until... "famous punk singer Nina Hagen" -- then i laughed, got distracted and was forced to post this.

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Re: German Football

Postby BlueinBosnia » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:35 am

Arjan- have you been to Union Berlin's ground? One of PALUS's best mates did quite a few 'fan murals' outside the ground and its surroundings.
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Re: German Football

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:19 am

BlueinBosnia wrote:Arjan- have you been to Union Berlin's ground? One of PALUS's best mates did quite a few 'fan murals' outside the ground and its surroundings.


Do they all look like Dzeko in different outfits ?
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Re: German Football

Postby TomS » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:28 pm

Arjan:
if you do your research and decide on Hansa "Fucking" Rostock or HSV, I will kill you with my bare hands.


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