AG7 wrote:It's half way through the league ... we have played 19 games, they have played 19 games ...
We have lost 2 and drawn 6 already; they have lost 3 and drawn just 1 so far ...
For us to surpass 7 points on them, mathematically they'll have to drop points in 3 games ... and that's not 3 draws, at least 1 game where they have to lose all 3 points ... and for us to win ALL 19 games now on, THAT is one way of overhauling the 7 points.
Hmm, ok, let's say that 1 loss is the derby, they still have to drop two other games ... yeah sure they will play out two draws somewhere here on till the end ... BUT it's us winning 19 on the run which I don't see happening ... this is just to close that 7 point gap, any more points we drop, they have to drop exactly those many no. of games too ...
I just don't see this happening. Someone please tell me I am looking at this the wrong way and football will somehow defy all this maths ... am too drunk to be posting this tonight but am simply gutted for the results today. Had we won our game, I am very sure they too would have had dropped at least 2 points there ... but we're not doing our own job properly then expect others to drop points for us ... ain't happening this season I think. And I think Watford will beat us out the FA cup too ... or whoever we get in next round but don't see us going too far in that either.
Nothing's gong right, right now. I hope I wake up feeling better.
Im_Spartacus wrote:AG7 wrote:It's half way through the league ... we have played 19 games, they have played 19 games ...
We have lost 2 and drawn 6 already; they have lost 3 and drawn just 1 so far ...
For us to surpass 7 points on them, mathematically they'll have to drop points in 3 games ... and that's not 3 draws, at least 1 game where they have to lose all 3 points ... and for us to win ALL 19 games now on, THAT is one way of overhauling the 7 points.
Hmm, ok, let's say that 1 loss is the derby, they still have to drop two other games ... yeah sure they will play out two draws somewhere here on till the end ... BUT it's us winning 19 on the run which I don't see happening ... this is just to close that 7 point gap, any more points we drop, they have to drop exactly those many no. of games too ...
I just don't see this happening. Someone please tell me I am looking at this the wrong way and football will somehow defy all this maths ... am too drunk to be posting this tonight but am simply gutted for the results today. Had we won our game, I am very sure they too would have had dropped at least 2 points there ... but we're not doing our own job properly then expect others to drop points for us ... ain't happening this season I think. And I think Watford will beat us out the FA cup too ... or whoever we get in next round but don't see us going too far in that either.
Nothing's gong right, right now. I hope I wake up feeling better.
So are you saying that united will only drop 7 points? Because I see a team who are getting some breaks but are leaking like a seive and their poor spell will come. I reckon they will drop points in at least 7 of the next 19, especially against struggling teams who have something to play for.
Our problem is that when they stutter, we dont appear to be in a position to capitalise at the moment.....but I think if we can win 14 including beating them, with a couple of draws and a defeat will win it. I'd say anything above 80 points will see us in the mix this year as t stands.
Long way to go yet mate, who knows, the players might decide to ignore Mancini again like they appear to have done at the end of last season, and actually set out to win the odd game on our terms.
Ted Hughes wrote:
And there is the problem.
Do we look as if we will go through without slipping ? Do we look as if we will win at Goodison, The Lane, the swamp, & The Emirates ? So no matter how average the rags are, how do we catch them over the season, even if they slip up & we are level two weeks from now, when we fuck up at places like Sunderland & they win at Chelsea ?
Im_Spartacus wrote:AG7 wrote:It's half way through the league ... we have played 19 games, they have played 19 games ...
We have lost 2 and drawn 6 already; they have lost 3 and drawn just 1 so far ...
For us to surpass 7 points on them, mathematically they'll have to drop points in 3 games ... and that's not 3 draws, at least 1 game where they have to lose all 3 points ... and for us to win ALL 19 games now on, THAT is one way of overhauling the 7 points.
Hmm, ok, let's say that 1 loss is the derby, they still have to drop two other games ... yeah sure they will play out two draws somewhere here on till the end ... BUT it's us winning 19 on the run which I don't see happening ... this is just to close that 7 point gap, any more points we drop, they have to drop exactly those many no. of games too ...
I just don't see this happening. Someone please tell me I am looking at this the wrong way and football will somehow defy all this maths ... am too drunk to be posting this tonight but am simply gutted for the results today. Had we won our game, I am very sure they too would have had dropped at least 2 points there ... but we're not doing our own job properly then expect others to drop points for us ... ain't happening this season I think. And I think Watford will beat us out the FA cup too ... or whoever we get in next round but don't see us going too far in that either.
Nothing's gong right, right now. I hope I wake up feeling better.
So are you saying that united will only drop 7 points? Because I see a team who are getting some breaks but are leaking like a seive and their poor spell will come. I reckon they will drop points in at least 7 of the next 19, especially against struggling teams who have something to play for.
Our problem is that when they stutter, we dont appear to be in a position to capitalise at the moment.....but I think if we can win 14 including beating them, with a couple of draws and a defeat will win it. I'd say anything above 80 points will see us in the mix this year as t stands.
Long way to go yet mate, who knows, the players might decide to ignore Mancini again like they appear to have done at the end of last season, and actually set out to win the odd game on our terms.
Lev Bronstein wrote:Sure we're second favourites at the moment - and might even struggle to finish above Chelsea - but, this is football we're talking about. If it was as predictable as you suggest every bookie in the country would be broke.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the way things are, but I'm not waving the white flag yet.
RodneyRodney wrote:Lev Bronstein wrote:Sure we're second favourites at the moment - and might even struggle to finish above Chelsea - but, this is football we're talking about. If it was as predictable as you suggest every bookie in the country would be broke.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the way things are, but I'm not waving the white flag yet.
I SERIOUSLY think Chelsea will win the League. New manager. Torres confident and scoring. Whole team confident and winning. Certanly in better shape than we are at the moment. They have more chance of catching United.
Socrates wrote:Some sense from someone, taken me an hour to find some. AG7 thinks United will get 96 points, well if they do that is too fucking good and well done to them. I think 86 is more like it. We still have a chance of matching that. 47 points in 19 games is not impossible.
Beefymcfc wrote:Did somebody say this to the Rags last year, that they were home and dry? What about Newcastle or Arsenal, did they get the same message?
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Did somebody say this to the Rags last year, that they were home and dry? What about Newcastle or Arsenal, did they get the same message?
True last season the rags folded and we played some great games for 6 in a row. Can both happen again?
Blue Since 76 wrote:Looking forward to revisiting this when we don't beat Norwich on Saturday. Wonder which of his players he'll publicly criticise after that game?
If he wants to deflect attention from his own failings, he should try having a go at the ref rather than the players he needs to perform a few days later. Maybe then they'd look like they were playing for him.
Chinners wrote:RodneyRodney wrote:Lev Bronstein wrote:Sure we're second favourites at the moment - and might even struggle to finish above Chelsea - but, this is football we're talking about. If it was as predictable as you suggest every bookie in the country would be broke.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the way things are, but I'm not waving the white flag yet.
I SERIOUSLY think Chelsea will win the League. New manager. Torres confident and scoring. Whole team confident and winning. Certanly in better shape than we are at the moment. They have more chance of catching United.
If they win their game in hand Chelsea will still be a point behind us, therefore they do not have more of a chance in catching United than us ... maths is great
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