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Postby Mase » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:40 am

I remember reading an article a while back where it stated these FFP rules aren't going to affect City. It's more likely to affect teams like Everton, Sunderland, Aston Villa, etc who in the future wouldn't be able to be taken over by a billionaire.
I genuinely don't see why these types of clubs will want to shoot themselves in the foot?
And I don't see why the FA would want to prevent the worlds best players moving to a Premierleague club attracting more interest and gaining more revenue to English football.
It doesn't make sense at all!
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Postby gillie » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:41 am

If these cunts get their way that's me finished with football in all probability.
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Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:02 am

gillie wrote:If these cunts get their way that's me finished with football in all probability.


I don't know if I'd go that far but it'd sure put a large dent in my interest. I mean that's all apperances dropped, it is and was all about the money and never about the football, even for the footballing governing bodies.
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Postby ashton287 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:03 am

john68 wrote:Please help me out here...why do so many not seem to give a fuck?


Because it is just paranoid ramblings from the conspiracy lovers.......
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Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:05 am

Mase wrote:I remember reading an article a while back where it stated these FFP rules aren't going to affect City. It's more likely to affect teams like Everton, Sunderland, Aston Villa, etc who in the future wouldn't be able to be taken over by a billionaire.
I genuinely don't see why these types of clubs will want to shoot themselves in the foot?
And I don't see why the FA would want to prevent the worlds best players moving to a Premierleague club attracting more interest and gaining more revenue to English football.
It doesn't make sense at all!


If you're a Villa or Scouse 2 fan, what is the point of turning up? You can see mediocrity at best, and the occasional relegation scrap when things aren't going so well.
On the other hand those size clubs should be guaranteed Premier League status for the foreseeable. Surely that isn't enough though?
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Postby Blue Since 76 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:07 am

john68 wrote:
On a side note to this, 4 4 2 Magazine is currently reporting a survey of pro footballers who identify both recreational and performance enhancing drugs as a problem. They also identify match fixing too. There should be a massive questioning of this. A demand for a public enquiry, questions in the house, a national screaming to find the truth, the police and judiciary should be getting involved....but nothing....absolutely fuck all.
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I'm not accusing the Stoke players of anything here and it was probably just one of those days for Walters, but if someone in authority isn't looking into it, they are asleep at the wheel. Football has had its share of problems both here and abroad and it hasn't magically gone away.
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Postby Tokyo Blue » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:08 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Mase wrote:I remember reading an article a while back where it stated these FFP rules aren't going to affect City. It's more likely to affect teams like Everton, Sunderland, Aston Villa, etc who in the future wouldn't be able to be taken over by a billionaire.
I genuinely don't see why these types of clubs will want to shoot themselves in the foot?
And I don't see why the FA would want to prevent the worlds best players moving to a Premierleague club attracting more interest and gaining more revenue to English football.
It doesn't make sense at all!


If you're a Villa or Scouse 2 fan, what is the point of turning up? You can see mediocrity at best, and the occasional relegation scrap when things aren't going so well.
On the other hand those size clubs should be guaranteed Premier League status for the foreseeable. Surely that isn't enough though?

Enough to keep the money coming in.

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Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:14 am

Mase wrote:I remember reading an article a while back where it stated these FFP rules aren't going to affect City. It's more likely to affect teams like Everton, Sunderland, Aston Villa, etc who in the future wouldn't be able to be taken over by a billionaire.
I genuinely don't see why these types of clubs will want to shoot themselves in the foot?
And I don't see why the FA would want to prevent the worlds best players moving to a Premierleague club attracting more interest and gaining more revenue to English football.
It doesn't make sense at all!

It's quite simple in resepct. Imagine the scenario. Somebody like Everton who have debt but manage to get by. Say they need 80 mil to operate which they get for their season from TV (say 50 mil) and Sponsorship (30 mil). Next year they get the enhanced Sky package which could literally double their TV revenue taking it to say 100 mil, which, if they have the unmbrella of a new FFP would ensure they don't have to spend and pocket the extra 50 mil.

This is just an example but in theory it is exactly the same. It may stop big investors coming in but at the same time it would allow chairmen to keep a bigger part of the income. It could also be more beneficial for the owners of the clubs in the long term as they could be seen to be making a profit. What it doesn't allow for is serious competition as it will become a closed shop once more but do they really care? I don't think so because they haven't been challenging for years and most are content just to stay in the league.
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Postby Rag_hater » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:16 am

Don't think this is as much of an issue as some are making it.It seems pretty obvious to me what in the past were considered as the Elite clubs were gonna do stuff that would make things difficult for clubs like us the "new money".It's up to us to fuck them up.What did expect the old guard were gonna do not put up a fight.Fuck em.Bring it on.
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Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:23 am

What is quite astonishing is that this indicates that Gill wants to hand control of club finances to UEFA. This is the same UEFA that Gill is now vying for a seat at the top table.

United and Arsenal have a finger in all the pies and this is why I asked the question regarding the Van Persie sale. It's quite simply the old school clubbing together to keep the majority share of what they believe they created.
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Postby john@staustell » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:45 am

I think the fact our revenue is now £230M should scare a few. With ground expansion to follow. We've actually caught Arsenal I think and are only 100M behind the RAGs. Remarkable progress indeed. Gate horse bolted.

Media hasn't caught onto that yet though.
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Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:49 am

john@staustell wrote:I think the fact our revenue is now £230M should scare a few. With ground expansion to follow. We've actually caught Arsenal I think and are only 100M behind the RAGs. Remarkable progress indeed. Gate horse bolted.

Media hasn't caught onto that yet though.


I was thinking about this the other night. How do we stand in terms of revenue compared to the other top teams? I've googled but have yet to find any good comparisons.
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Postby john@staustell » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:55 am

Cocacolajojo wrote:
john@staustell wrote:I think the fact our revenue is now £230M should scare a few. With ground expansion to follow. We've actually caught Arsenal I think and are only 100M behind the RAGs. Remarkable progress indeed. Gate horse bolted.

Media hasn't caught onto that yet though.


I was thinking about this the other night. How do we stand in terms of revenue compared to the other top teams? I've googled but have yet to find any good comparisons.


I seem to remember from Arsenal's last figures that commercial revenue was 'flat'. That should be horrifying for someone at the club, especially with City making such strides and, as I say, without ground expansion or any decent CL revenue.

I think Arse were around 230M too.
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Postby Chinners » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:15 am

Patrick Barclay: Why I support the plot to stop Manchester City and their sheikh's millions ruling the game
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Sheikh Mansour has funded Manchester City’s empire but UEFA’s financial fair play regulations will stop rich owners from pouring money into clubs
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When Sheikh Mansour took over Manchester City, I suggested that his best route to the top of English football would be to buy and disband Manchester United, acquiring as many of their players as were wanted, then paint Old Trafford blue and use it as a training ground. Fortunately, the Sheikh and his Abu Dhabi associates preferred more constitutional methods.
Anyway, I was only joking, having a bit of fun at my red friends’ expense — even though the Sheikh did have more than enough money at his command to tempt the Glazers to cash in as the clouds of recession gathered.
As the gap between rich and ordinary people becomes wider and wider throughout the world, the potential for wealth to distort the patterns of life — in this case football — becomes greater. The way of controlling it is through politics.
Hence the letter addressed to Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore signed by representatives of Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham seeking support for strict application of UEFA’s financial fair play scheme.
These people are not idealists. They want a deterrent not to the use of wealth itself — United and Arsenal have big stadiums, Tottenham are about to follow suit and Liverpool intend to rebuild — but to sugar daddies on the Mansour model.

Martin Samuel, the Daily Mail columnist who broke the story this morning, preferred the more cuddly — if equally apposite — example of “Uncle Jack’’ Walker, who bought his home-town club, Blackburn Rovers, and equipped Kenny Dalglish with enough financial muscle to attract Alan Shearer and build the team who took the title in 1995.
Rovers’ title success was an occurrence without which the history of the Premier League era would be poorer and the same might be said of the City campaign that culminated in Sergio Aguero’s sensational snatch at the end of last season. But instances of the sugar daddy funding romance or, in the Manchester case, diversity cannot be taken in glorious isolation.
The riches with which Mansour or, before him, Roman Abramovich at Chelsea have built their empires are responsible for a salary inflation that not only disturbs United and Arsenal but destroys the chances of clubs otherwise eager to intensify competition at the top.
Aston Villa, in the time of Martin O’Neill, were one and they are now paying the price of Randy Lerner’s painful lesson. Everton under David Moyes are another. He and the admirable Bill Kenwright deserve medals for persistence — every time they look at the market, it goes through the roof.
The question of whether strict application of UEFA regulations forbidding clubs from spending more than they earn from football-related activity — they will be allowed leeway of £10 million a year or so — will help is a difficult one.
The obvious drawback is that it will set in stone the financial advantage of certain clubs and naturally anything to which David Gill puts his name must be treated with suspicion — United’s chief executive is like Sir Alex Ferguson in a velvet glove.
But we have given anarchy a chance and it has not worked. Financial fair play, on the other hand, has made a promising start, with the best piece of evidence to be found just a few miles from Old Trafford, where City are extending their academy into a thing of wonder, a thing of true worth, a thing that — crucially — UEFA have exempted from their controls because youth development and general care for the long term are precisely what the game needs.
This letter hardly scratches the surface of what the Premier League must do. But I’m glad that it was written.
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Postby Original Dub » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:53 am

Chinners wrote:Patrick Barclay: Why I support the plot to stop Manchester City and their sheikh's millions ruling the game

Sheikh Mansour has funded Manchester City’s empire but UEFA’s financial fair play regulations will stop rich owners from pouring money into clubs

When Sheikh Mansour took over Manchester City, I suggested that his best route to the top of English football would be to buy and disband Manchester United, acquiring as many of their players as were wanted, then paint Old Trafford blue and use it as a training ground. Fortunately, the Sheikh and his Abu Dhabi associates preferred more constitutional methods.
Anyway, I was only joking, having a bit of fun at my red friends’ expense — even though the Sheikh did have more than enough money at his command to tempt the Glazers to cash in as the clouds of recession gathered.
As the gap between rich and ordinary people becomes wider and wider throughout the world, the potential for wealth to distort the patterns of life — in this case football — becomes greater. The way of controlling it is through politics.
Hence the letter addressed to Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore signed by representatives of Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham seeking support for strict application of UEFA’s financial fair play scheme.
These people are not idealists. They want a deterrent not to the use of wealth itself — United and Arsenal have big stadiums, Tottenham are about to follow suit and Liverpool intend to rebuild — but to sugar daddies on the Mansour model.

Martin Samuel, the Daily Mail columnist who broke the story this morning, preferred the more cuddly — if equally apposite — example of “Uncle Jack’’ Walker, who bought his home-town club, Blackburn Rovers, and equipped Kenny Dalglish with enough financial muscle to attract Alan Shearer and build the team who took the title in 1995.
Rovers’ title success was an occurrence without which the history of the Premier League era would be poorer and the same might be said of the City campaign that culminated in Sergio Aguero’s sensational snatch at the end of last season. But instances of the sugar daddy funding romance or, in the Manchester case, diversity cannot be taken in glorious isolation.
The riches with which Mansour or, before him, Roman Abramovich at Chelsea have built their empires are responsible for a salary inflation that not only disturbs United and Arsenal but destroys the chances of clubs otherwise eager to intensify competition at the top.
Aston Villa, in the time of Martin O’Neill, were one and they are now paying the price of Randy Lerner’s painful lesson. Everton under David Moyes are another. He and the admirable Bill Kenwright deserve medals for persistence — every time they look at the market, it goes through the roof.
The question of whether strict application of UEFA regulations forbidding clubs from spending more than they earn from football-related activity — they will be allowed leeway of £10 million a year or so — will help is a difficult one.
The obvious drawback is that it will set in stone the financial advantage of certain clubs and naturally anything to which David Gill puts his name must be treated with suspicion — United’s chief executive is like Sir Alex Ferguson in a velvet glove.
But we have given anarchy a chance and it has not worked. Financial fair play, on the other hand, has made a promising start, with the best piece of evidence to be found just a few miles from Old Trafford, where City are extending their academy into a thing of wonder, a thing of true worth, a thing that — crucially — UEFA have exempted from their controls because youth development and general care for the long term are precisely what the game needs.
This letter hardly scratches the surface of what the Premier League must do. But I’m glad that it was written.


Is that supposed to be the counter argument to Samuel' piece?!!

Wow.
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Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:21 pm

This is corruption, just the same as in UEFA.

Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool.

They were mentioned the other day. They have been doing this for over a century. Lap dogs like Spurs have helped when they can.

Patrick Barclay is proving the point made by many on here, that the media has many people who are biased in their favour & want to keep the cartel alive.

We will use 'sponsorship' money to get round both lots of FFP in the short term but Everton, Newcastle etc, will be stuck outside the executive washroom without a key, until the end of time, if they are stupid enough to vote in favour.

It will ensure that, whatever City & Chelsea do, the other two Champions League places are carved up between rags, Arse, Liverpool & Spurs. Then Platini will change the Champions League to include Liverpool & Spurs every season. Job done.
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Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:25 pm

Chinners wrote:Patrick Barclay: Why I support the plot to stop Manchester City and their sheikh's millions ruling the game
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Sheikh Mansour has funded Manchester City’s empire but UEFA’s financial fair play regulations will stop rich owners from pouring money into clubs
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When Sheikh Mansour took over Manchester City, I suggested that his best route to the top of English football would be to buy and disband Manchester United, acquiring as many of their players as were wanted, then paint Old Trafford blue and use it as a training ground. Fortunately, the Sheikh and his Abu Dhabi associates preferred more constitutional methods.
Anyway, I was only joking, having a bit of fun at my red friends’ expense — even though the Sheikh did have more than enough money at his command to tempt the Glazers to cash in as the clouds of recession gathered.
As the gap between rich and ordinary people becomes wider and wider throughout the world, the potential for wealth to distort the patterns of life — in this case football — becomes greater. The way of controlling it is through politics.
Hence the letter addressed to Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore signed by representatives of Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham seeking support for strict application of UEFA’s financial fair play scheme.
These people are not idealists. They want a deterrent not to the use of wealth itself — United and Arsenal have big stadiums, Tottenham are about to follow suit and Liverpool intend to rebuild — but to sugar daddies on the Mansour model.

Martin Samuel, the Daily Mail columnist who broke the story this morning, preferred the more cuddly — if equally apposite — example of “Uncle Jack’’ Walker, who bought his home-town club, Blackburn Rovers, and equipped Kenny Dalglish with enough financial muscle to attract Alan Shearer and build the team who took the title in 1995.
Rovers’ title success was an occurrence without which the history of the Premier League era would be poorer and the same might be said of the City campaign that culminated in Sergio Aguero’s sensational snatch at the end of last season. But instances of the sugar daddy funding romance or, in the Manchester case, diversity cannot be taken in glorious isolation.
The riches with which Mansour or, before him, Roman Abramovich at Chelsea have built their empires are responsible for a salary inflation that not only disturbs United and Arsenal but destroys the chances of clubs otherwise eager to intensify competition at the top.
Aston Villa, in the time of Martin O’Neill, were one and they are now paying the price of Randy Lerner’s painful lesson. Everton under David Moyes are another. He and the admirable Bill Kenwright deserve medals for persistence — every time they look at the market, it goes through the roof.
The question of whether strict application of UEFA regulations forbidding clubs from spending more than they earn from football-related activity — they will be allowed leeway of £10 million a year or so — will help is a difficult one.
The obvious drawback is that it will set in stone the financial advantage of certain clubs and naturally anything to which David Gill puts his name must be treated with suspicion — United’s chief executive is like Sir Alex Ferguson in a velvet glove.
But we have given anarchy a chance and it has not worked. Financial fair play, on the other hand, has made a promising start, with the best piece of evidence to be found just a few miles from Old Trafford, where City are extending their academy into a thing of wonder, a thing of true worth, a thing that — crucially — UEFA have exempted from their controls because youth development and general care for the long term are precisely what the game needs.
This letter hardly scratches the surface of what the Premier League must do. But I’m glad that it was written.

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Postby Blue Since 76 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:24 pm

Chinners wrote:Patrick Barclay: Why I support the plot to stop Manchester City and their sheikh's millions ruling the game

Sheikh Mansour has funded Manchester City’s empire but UEFA’s financial fair play regulations will stop rich owners from pouring money into clubs

When Sheikh Mansour took over Manchester City, I suggested that his best route to the top of English football would be to buy and disband Manchester United, acquiring as many of their players as were wanted, then paint Old Trafford blue and use it as a training ground. Fortunately, the Sheikh and his Abu Dhabi associates preferred more constitutional methods.
Anyway, I was only joking, having a bit of fun at my red friends’ expense — even though the Sheikh did have more than enough money at his command to tempt the Glazers to cash in as the clouds of recession gathered.
As the gap between rich and ordinary people becomes wider and wider throughout the world, the potential for wealth to distort the patterns of life — in this case football — becomes greater. The way of controlling it is through politics.
Hence the letter addressed to Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore signed by representatives of Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham seeking support for strict application of UEFA’s financial fair play scheme.
These people are not idealists. They want a deterrent not to the use of wealth itself — United and Arsenal have big stadiums, Tottenham are about to follow suit and Liverpool intend to rebuild — but to sugar daddies on the Mansour model.

Martin Samuel, the Daily Mail columnist who broke the story this morning, preferred the more cuddly — if equally apposite — example of “Uncle Jack’’ Walker, who bought his home-town club, Blackburn Rovers, and equipped Kenny Dalglish with enough financial muscle to attract Alan Shearer and build the team who took the title in 1995.
Rovers’ title success was an occurrence without which the history of the Premier League era would be poorer and the same might be said of the City campaign that culminated in Sergio Aguero’s sensational snatch at the end of last season. But instances of the sugar daddy funding romance or, in the Manchester case, diversity cannot be taken in glorious isolation.
The riches with which Mansour or, before him, Roman Abramovich at Chelsea have built their empires are responsible for a salary inflation that not only disturbs United and Arsenal but destroys the chances of clubs otherwise eager to intensify competition at the top.
Aston Villa, in the time of Martin O’Neill, were one and they are now paying the price of Randy Lerner’s painful lesson. Everton under David Moyes are another. He and the admirable Bill Kenwright deserve medals for persistence — every time they look at the market, it goes through the roof.
The question of whether strict application of UEFA regulations forbidding clubs from spending more than they earn from football-related activity — they will be allowed leeway of £10 million a year or so — will help is a difficult one.
The obvious drawback is that it will set in stone the financial advantage of certain clubs and naturally anything to which David Gill puts his name must be treated with suspicion — United’s chief executive is like Sir Alex Ferguson in a velvet glove.
But we have given anarchy a chance and it has not worked. Financial fair play, on the other hand, has made a promising start, with the best piece of evidence to be found just a few miles from Old Trafford, where City are extending their academy into a thing of wonder, a thing of true worth, a thing that — crucially — UEFA have exempted from their controls because youth development and general care for the long term are precisely what the game needs.
This letter hardly scratches the surface of what the Premier League must do. But I’m glad that it was written.


I seem to recall Arsenal paying Sol Campbell £100k a week many, many years ago. I'm sure Ferdinand's contract is even larger and again signed way before we were rich.

How exactly were Everton etc supposed to compete with them at the time? Oh I remember now, they weren't. The fear they have is that another rich owner appears and does the same as has happened to Chelsea or City. There's only 4 seats at the rich man's table and with Liverpool already turfed out there would be a risk to Arsenal or the rags. Stop it happening again and the status quo returns and everyone is happy.

From a City point of view I shouldn't care as our turnover is now up there with the old boys so we will be safe. But their crushing of the dreams of every other fan in the country is a disgrace.
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Postby Sideshow Bob » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:41 pm

my biggest question: why the fuck are the FUCKING SPUDS helping lead the charge here?? what do they have to gain...a monopoly on 5th spot? fucking tossers!!
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Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:51 pm

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My favourite player is: Ireland 08-09

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