Balotelli versus Benteke

[Blue Since 76]

http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/ian.stewart ... per-minute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Balo ... statistics

Other than being one of the top 10 of all time in the PL for goals/minute and off the top of my head; the winning goal vs Everton @ home when we couldn't get a breakthrough, won the penalty and scored the last second penalty vs spuds which got us the win, and scored 2 vs sunderland @ home to get us a draw. All of which we needed to win the league.

I stand by my comment that what you stated was probably the dumbest/most ignorant quote of the past 2.5 season on here. Actually, your post above mine might just challenge your earlier statement. Just come out and say that you hate the lad regardless of how he really performs.

He came off the bench vs Everton and scored with a deflection. It was exactly what we needed rather then the endless passing which wasn't working, but the fact he started from the bench says a lot.

Scored a cracking penalty against Spurs before the ban started for the stamp on Parker's head earlier in the game. If that'd been spotted at the time, we'd have been down to 10 and who knows what would have happened.

I don't hate him. I've said somewhere on here that I love him for his penalties, scoring with his shoulder, even the off the pitch stuff. But he doesn't fit into our side. Whether that's him, Mancini, the way we play, his reputation or something else, I don't know and I don't care. We're a better team when he doesn't play and that's all that matters.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/ian.stewart ... per-minute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Balo ... statistics

Other than being one of the top 10 of all time in the PL for goals/minute and off the top of my head; the winning goal vs Everton @ home when we couldn't get a breakthrough, won the penalty and scored the last second penalty vs spuds which got us the win, and scored 2 vs sunderland @ home to get us a draw. All of which we needed to win the league.

I stand by my comment that what you stated was probably the dumbest/most ignorant quote of the past 2.5 season on here. Actually, your post above mine might just challenge your earlier statement. Just come out and say that you hate the kid regardless of how he really performs.

How long ago was that Everton game now?

Because by my count balotelli has been largely wank for the best part of a year in our colors now.

Suppose that makes me less of a city fan if I dare doubt anyone in the squad?

According to you no player will ever need to be sold again as anyone doubting them just isn't blue, theyre all perfect.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

What score was this then, for those of us who don't want to read the thread?

[kinkylola]

http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/ian.stewart ... per-minute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Balo ... statistics

Other than being one of the top 10 of all time in the PL for goals/minute and off the top of my head; the winning goal vs Everton @ home when we couldn't get a breakthrough, won the penalty and scored the last second penalty vs spuds which got us the win, and scored 2 vs sunderland @ home to get us a draw. All of which we needed to win the league.

I stand by my comment that what you stated was probably the dumbest/most ignorant quote of the past 2.5 season on here. Actually, your post above mine might just challenge your earlier statement. Just come out and say that you hate the kid regardless of how he really performs.

How long ago was that Everton game now?

Because by my count balotelli has been largely wank for the best part of a year in our colors now.

Suppose that makes me less of a city fan if I dare doubt anyone in the squad?

According to you no player will ever need to be sold again as anyone doubting them just isn't blue, theyre all perfect.

straw man fallacy, try your argument again, Aunt sally.

[Ted Hughes]

I have backed Balotelli & said I think he is being unfairly criticised.

This quote from Niall Quinn in Chinner's Bollx thread:

“But Mario is the key. Of the 50 or so games he has played in the Premier League, he only has one ­assist.”

People quoting stats; tell me if that is true.

If it is true, your other stats are meaningless. That is nothing short of an utter disgrace & probably unique for a player of such supposed quality. If it's true, it needs to change : NOW. Otherwise he can just fuck off.

[mr_nool]

I have backed Balotelli & said I think he is being unfairly criticised.

This quote from Niall Quinn in Chinner's Bollx thread:

“But Mario is the key. Of the 50 or so games he has played in the Premier League, he only has one ­assist.”

People quoting stats; tell me if that is true.

If it is true, your other stats are meaningless. That is nothing short of an utter disgrace & probably unique for a player of such supposed quality. If it's true, it needs to change : NOW. Otherwise he can just fuck off.

I can think of one very important assist of his from the top of my head ...

[youtube]26Wfs4RG_DM[/youtube]

[Ted Hughes]

I have backed Balotelli & said I think he is being unfairly criticised.

This quote from Niall Quinn in Chinner's Bollx thread:

“But Mario is the key. Of the 50 or so games he has played in the Premier League, he only has one ­assist.”

People quoting stats; tell me if that is true.

If it is true, your other stats are meaningless. That is nothing short of an utter disgrace & probably unique for a player of such supposed quality. If it's true, it needs to change : NOW. Otherwise he can just fuck off.

I can think of one very important assist of his from the top of my head ...

[youtube]26Wfs4RG_DM[/youtube]

That's the one I can think of.

Any more ?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I have backed Balotelli & said I think he is being unfairly criticised.

This quote from Niall Quinn in Chinner's Bollx thread:

“But Mario is the key. Of the 50 or so games he has played in the Premier League, he only has one ­assist.”

People quoting stats; tell me if that is true.

If it is true, your other stats are meaningless. That is nothing short of an utter disgrace & probably unique for a player of such supposed quality. If it's true, it needs to change : NOW. Otherwise he can just fuck off.

I can think of one very important assist of his from the top of my head ...

[youtube]26Wfs4RG_DM[/youtube]

That's the one I can think of.

Any more ?

Nope, that's it in the league. He did have a heavy involvement in the FA Cup winning goal too.

[Blue Since 76]

I have backed Balotelli & said I think he is being unfairly criticised.

This quote from Niall Quinn in Chinner's Bollx thread:

“But Mario is the key. Of the 50 or so games he has played in the Premier League, he only has one ­assist.”

People quoting stats; tell me if that is true.

If it is true, your other stats are meaningless. That is nothing short of an utter disgrace & probably unique for a player of such supposed quality. If it's true, it needs to change : NOW. Otherwise he can just fuck off.

I backed Mario for two years. After the summer, I really hoped the change in attitude towards him in Italy and from the English press might lead to a change in him for us. I do now think he's working harder than before, although not hard enough and he's doing it because he's been told to, not because it comes naturally. As a result, he ends up out of position when we get the ball and becomes even less help to the team. Many of the arguments are the same ones which can be levelled at Dzeko, but at least Dzeko has the goal stats to counter it.

I haven't seen enough to make me think he could be one of the first choice strikers in a top 2 side. He badly needs a goal at the moment, but even if he gets one, there's no evidence that he'll go on a run or push Tevez or Aguero out of the starting line up. Maybe with a new start, a new team, a new style of play, it'll work for him but not for us under Mancini.

Stats can hide things or can be used to batter people unfairly and don't tell the whole story - Tevez won't get an assist for Silva's first last week, but it was his run that allowed Dzeko to shoot. But with Mario the subjective feeling and the stats seem to line up.

[justlurkin]

Tevez also busted a gut to get on the end of the cross for the 2nd goal against Arsenal that allowed Dzeko a tap in. I don't think Mario would have done that.

[Nigels Tackle]

What score was this then, for those of us who don't want to read the thread?

dunno... i'm waiting for nqdp to give us his view on things...

[Cocacolajojo1]

He has been a sloppy passer for most of his time here. In this case the stat and the visual impression points in the same direction. I think that's one of his main flaws, unlike his work ethic which, as ted has pointed out several times, is up there with the best.

What are the stats for assists for the other forwards by the way?

[Douglas Higginbottom]

He has been a sloppy passer for most of his time here. In this case the stat and the visual impression points in the same direction. I think that's one of his main flaws, unlike his work ethic which, as ted has pointed out several times, is up there with the best.

What are the stats for assists for the other forwards by the way?

Work rate up there with the best? Who are we talking about now as surely it can't be Mario. By the best I would be thinking Carlos or even Kun and Mario isn't on the same planet as those 2.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Work rate up there with the best? Who are we talking about now as surely it can't be Mario. By the best I would be thinking Carlos or even Kun and Mario isn't on the same planet as those 2.

But oh yes I am talking about balotelli. It seems you didn't understand that, implying that you are on another planet.

;)

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Work rate up there with the best? Who are we talking about now as surely it can't be Mario. By the best I would be thinking Carlos or even Kun and Mario isn't on the same planet as those 2.

But oh yes I am talking about balotelli. It seems you didn't understand that, implying that you are on another planet.

;)

I am definitely on another planet to anyone who thinks Mario is up there with the best re work rate.Absolutely not even close imo

[Ted Hughes]

Mario's workrate has improved drastically this season imo, as has Dzeko's.

Neither are 'up with the best' though tbf but imo, for strikers, they are doing ok in that regard & don't deserve any shit (apart from Ed v Watford, which was awful).

IF it's true however, that Mario has one assist in 50 games, that is indefensible. I have criticised Aguero etc for not passing to him, (which they don't do enough) but that turns the whole thing on its head.

It simply can't be the case that one of your attackers goes 50 games with one assist. Its almost impossible. It can't be true surely ? Please somebody tell me it's bollox. The more I think of it, the worse it gets.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Mario's workrate has improved drastically this season imo, as has Dzeko's.

Neither are 'up with the best' though tbf but imo, for strikers, they are doing ok in that regard & don't deserve any shit (apart from Ed v Watford, which was awful).

IF it's true however, that Mario has one assist in 50 games, that is indefensible. I have criticised Aguero etc for not passing to him, (which they don't do enough) but that turns the whole thing on its head.

It simply can't be the case that one of your attackers goes 50 games with one assist. Its almost impossible. It can't be true surely ? Please somebody tell me it's bollox. The more I think of it, the worse it gets.

I agree with both opinions. THe thing is that Aguero and Tevez are generally better than him at making runs at defenders as such but they've had their injuries or they've not had it in them from time to time.

If it makes you feel better, or anyone else for that matter, transfermarkt.de, who I trust more than NIall Quinn on the matter (although he's one of my favourites when it comes to match commentry), he's made 8 assists in total during his spell here. All competitions included.

http://www.transfermarkt.de/en/mario-balotelli/leistungsdaten-verein/spieler_45146.html

I'd still say he's sloppy passer though.

[I Just Blue Myself]

Of course it's bollox.

4 in 54 in the Premier League
2 in 6 in the FA Cup
5 in 21 in the Champions League overall / 2 in 7 for City

11 in 59 in the Serie A
1 in 11 in the Coppa Italia
1 in 2 in the Supercoppa

Jojo beat me to it.

[Dameerto]

Mario's workrate has improved drastically this season imo, as has Dzeko's.

Neither are 'up with the best' though tbf but imo, for strikers, they are doing ok in that regard & don't deserve any shit (apart from Ed v Watford, which was awful).

IF it's true however, that Mario has one assist in 50 games, that is indefensible. I have criticised Aguero etc for not passing to him, (which they don't do enough) but that turns the whole thing on its head.

It simply can't be the case that one of your attackers goes 50 games with one assist. Its almost impossible. It can't be true surely ? Please somebody tell me it's bollox. The more I think of it, the worse it gets.

It's pretty damning:

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All comps 11/12
GS   SB   G   SH   SG   A   FC   FS   YC   RC
21   11   17   103   44   2   55   66   7   2

Prem 11/12
GS   SB   G   SH   SG   A   FC   FS   YC   RC
14   9   13   82   32   1   42   44   4   2

 All comps 12/13
GS   SB   G   SH   SG   A   FC   FS   YC   RC
 9   12   3   43   14   2   21   26   3   0

Prem 12/13
GS   SB   G   SH   SG   A   FC   FS   YC   RC
 7   7   1   34   6   0   18   20   2   0


GS: Games Started, SB: Used as Substitute, G: Goals, A: Assists, SH: Shots, SG: Shots on goal, YC: Yellow Cards, RC: Red Cards, FC: Fouls Committed, FS: Fouls Suffered, SV: Saves, GC: Goals conceded, W: W, L: Losses, D: Draws

[Cocacolajojo1]

Tevez has provided 12 assists in this season alone.

http://www.transfermarkt.de/en/carlos-tevez/leistungsdaten-detail/spieler_4276.html


Aguero 13 in total, three this season

http://www.transfermarkt.de/en/kun-agueero/leistungsdaten-detail/spieler_26399.html

Dzeko 4 this season, 11 in total.

http://www.transfermarkt.de/en/edin-dze ... 28396.html

All of the above are for the PL, while Balotelli's number is from all competitions.