What's the real problem?

[tikatakamcfc]

Here's a little stat that for all of you, regarding our strikers.
It seems that Aguero/Tevez partnership is not providing us as much as it seemed, to me at least.

Someone should maybe analyse Tevez/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko starts to see what happens.

The stats you have put up for this season say that we have won 6 drawn 1 lost 1 with Tevez & Aguero, won 5 drawn 4 with the other combinations (excluding Balotelli). So they have been the most successful partnership.

So, you are counting wins against Fulham, Tottenham to Tevez/Aguero, with Dzeko's winner goals? I dont see it that way.
Those wins I would count to Aguero/Dzeko duo, since they were the ones on the pitch when goals were being scored.

[tikatakamcfc]

Here's a little stat that for all of you, regarding our strikers.
It seems that Aguero/Tevez partnership is not providing us as much as it seemed, to me at least.

Someone should maybe analyse Tevez/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko starts to see what happens.

The stats you have put up for this season say that we have won 6 drawn 1 lost 1 with Tevez & Aguero, won 5 drawn 4 with the other combinations (excluding Balotelli). So they have been the most successful partnership.

Ted i can belive that u on purpose overlook that from that 5 win two win those game Dzeko us sub and 1 Barry so how they have 5 wins and 4 draws when other people score wining goals , i dont say who is better who is worse but why why is something like that overlook. and somebody write u see Tevez and Aguero start 9 games earn 3 victory. Maybe u just joke i cant tell any more.

I dont udnerstand anything you just wrote.

[tikatakamcfc]

Here's a little stat that for all of you, regarding our strikers.
It seems that Aguero/Tevez partnership is not providing us as much as it seemed, to me at least.

Someone should maybe analyse Tevez/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko starts to see what happens.

What does wins deserved mean?

Won matches that a player had some kind of direct influence, like goals, assists. Not wins that were achieved when he wasnt on the pitch.

[Cit.revenge]

Here's a little stat that for all of you, regarding our strikers.
It seems that Aguero/Tevez partnership is not providing us as much as it seemed, to me at least.

Someone should maybe analyse Tevez/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko starts to see what happens.

The stats you have put up for this season say that we have won 6 drawn 1 lost 1 with Tevez & Aguero, won 5 drawn 4 with the other combinations (excluding Balotelli). So they have been the most successful partnership.

Ted i can belive that u on purpose overlook that from that 5 win two win those game Dzeko us sub and 1 Barry so how they have 5 wins and 4 draws when other people score wining goals , i dont say who is better who is worse but why why is something like that overlook. and somebody write u see Tevez and Aguero start 9 games earn 3 victory. Maybe u just joke i cant tell any more.

I dont udnerstand anything you just wrote.

Ted i cant belive that u overlook that from that 5 win u say that Tevez and Aguero won for us, two win in those game Dzeko us sub score for win and 1 Barry score for win, so how they have 5 wins and 4 draws when other people score wining goals , i dont say who is better who is worse, dont turn this on Dzeko issue i just cant see how u cant miss that. And somebody on that statistic write u see Tevez and Aguero start 9 games earn 3 victory . Maybe u just joke i cant tell any more.
This is what i wont to write but i was in rush.

[Ted Hughes]

Here's a little stat that for all of you, regarding our strikers.
It seems that Aguero/Tevez partnership is not providing us as much as it seemed, to me at least.

Someone should maybe analyse Tevez/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko starts to see what happens.

The stats you have put up for this season say that we have won 6 drawn 1 lost 1 with Tevez & Aguero, won 5 drawn 4 with the other combinations (excluding Balotelli). So they have been the most successful partnership.

Ted i can belive that u on purpose overlook that from that 5 win two win those game Dzeko us sub and 1 Barry so how they have 5 wins and 4 draws when other people score wining goals , i dont say who is better who is worse but why why is something like that overlook. and somebody write u see Tevez and Aguero start 9 games earn 3 victory. Maybe u just joke i cant tell any more.

I dont udnerstand anything you just wrote.

Ted i cant belive that u overlook that from that 5 win u say that Tevez and Aguero won for us, two win in those game Dzeko us sub score for win and 1 Barry score for win, so how they have 5 wins and 4 draws when other people score wining goals , i dont say who is better who is worse, dont turn this on Dzeko issue i just cant see how u cant miss that. And somebody on that statistic write u see Tevez and Aguero start 9 games earn 3 victory . Maybe u just joke i cant tell any more.
This is what i wont to write but i was in rush.

I never even mentioned Dzeko. You are obsessed with him. It's a fact that when Tevez & Aguero start we have a better record so far.


Please just ignore my posts, I don't want to discuss Dzeko all the fucking time.

[Cit.revenge]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i said just dont make this abaut Edin because its always when i say something like now u going on Edin card and u do that again , i m saying u see facts wrong and saying dont make this abaut Edin and first thing u do u make it abaut that , its not true that Tevez and Aguero are best starter guy show u in stats all and u ignore it . They win just 3 games in without help of other players i dont give crap abaut witch players , but always when i have something to say and now it was abaut how u refuse to see statistic, u saying Edin bla bla even do i said lets not make this abaut Edin , its funny almost. I cant ignore when it s not true what u saying, Barry won one game when they start( Reading) Edin won 2 us sub with late goals when they start, they won 3 an rest where draw .Whatever i say and i m right here, and because talk was abaut strikers and i said ok he will say something abaut me Edin lover and go from subject, so i said lets not make this abaut Edin , and course he make it abaut that.

[Cit.revenge]

And i was tallkig abaut how u ignore stats not fuckin Dzeko , and i wonder why why , why u refuse to see that, and just to underline againe i will never talk abaut Edin on forum , but stats dont lie Aguero and Tevez are not best starters.and i really do not care who it is i just wnt to see why u ignoring that because its not my stats .

[Cocacolajojo1]

Here's a little stat that for all of you, regarding our strikers.
It seems that Aguero/Tevez partnership is not providing us as much as it seemed, to me at least.

Someone should maybe analyse Tevez/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko starts to see what happens.

What does wins deserved mean?

Won matches that a player had some kind of direct influence, like goals, assists. Not wins that were achieved when he wasnt on the pitch.

Ok so for example, in the game vs Southhampton Tevez put us up 1-0, but that doesn't count because then they scored two more and Nasri was the one who scored the winning goal. Not critizising you, just wondering if I understand your way of doing the stats.

[Cit.revenge]

Here's a little stat that for all of you, regarding our strikers.
It seems that Aguero/Tevez partnership is not providing us as much as it seemed, to me at least.

Someone should maybe analyse Tevez/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko starts to see what happens.

What does wins deserved mean?

Won matches that a player had some kind of direct influence, like goals, assists. Not wins that were achieved when he wasnt on the pitch.

Ok so for example, in the game vs Southhampton Tevez put us up 1-0, but that doesn't count because then they scored two more and Nasri was the one who scored the winning goal. Not critizising you, just wondering if I understand your way of doing the stats.

I get it but look what guy wrote at the end there and when u look games its true , i m not saying that somebody else is better but where he got 5 wins and 4 draws by them when other players score and with that goal win the game not make bigger margin in goals but win the games , and i m sick of this Dzeko crap really i ask him nice do not make it abaut that and pfff u cant be at peace .

[MilnersJaw]

There seems to be some conflicting ideas going on here.

some people want city to up the temp and be more creative, which is frankly what I believe city do need. However, the main problem is we haven't got any one to speed things up in the middle or much of a creative force. Bar silva and yaya with his decent long passes etc. Even playing with 5 in midfield and 1 upfront will just slow things down even further as we tap the ball around even more.

nasri has proven his time here that he's not up to the job and milner should be starting over him all the time now. Sinclair isn't used enough and we don't even know if he is creative or not as he has not had the chance.

problem I see it is too many defensive midfielders on the pitch and not everything can be relied on silva to pull the strings, especially as he is not even in central midfield alot of the time. Having the ball is good, as well as possession, but that doesn't always win games, especially when a team does a QPR.

While he is a good player, i'm not much of a fan of barry, he slows play down alot and alot of balls go through him. sure he's great in a holding/defensive role but he passes the ball side-wards or to someone else in front alot, rather than anything creative or killer. you would at least expect something like this from our main central midfielder. This needs to be addressed, considering we don't use much width.

the defence isn't the problem although had a few lapses at the start of the season, up front isn't exactly an issue although alot of chances have been fluffed. its the service from midfield that is lacking or the speed of it. opposition gets enough time to get alot of men behind the ball, even when not parking the bus.

[Dameerto]

Watch the last few games again re: Barry - he seems to have been asked to play Yaya's role while he's in Africa - Silva picked him out with a telepathic ball when he made a great run along the left side of the box (I think it was the game before last) and he is regularly having shots in or around the penalty area lately. Bob seems to like one of his two central midfielders to be more active in various phases of play, and one to limit himself to defensive play and at the moment Barry is the active one. (Having been the defensive one when Yaya was in the team).

[MilnersJaw]

Watch the last few games again re: Barry - he seems to have been asked to play Yaya's role while he's in Africa - Silva picked him out with a telepathic ball when he made a great run along the left side of the box (I think it was the game before last) and he is regularly having shots in or around the penalty area lately. Bob seems to like one of his two central midfielders to be more active in various phases of play, and one to limit himself to defensive play and at the moment Barry is the active one. (Having been the defensive one when Yaya was in the team).

maybe you're right. But I didn't see the temp or the creativity pick up either. Although he is one of the slowest players in the pl.

[Beefymcfc]

Watch the last few games again re: Barry - he seems to have been asked to play Yaya's role while he's in Africa - Silva picked him out with a telepathic ball when he made a great run along the left side of the box (I think it was the game before last) and he is regularly having shots in or around the penalty area lately. Bob seems to like one of his two central midfielders to be more active in various phases of play, and one to limit himself to defensive play and at the moment Barry is the active one. (Having been the defensive one when Yaya was in the team).

maybe you're right. But I didn't see the temp or the creativity pick up either. Although he is one of the slowest players in the pl.

He might look slow but just keep an eye on him next time out. He reads the play really well and always seems to pop up where you don't expect him to be. He covers the defence from left to right and is always open for the ball when needed. Now his niggles have gone he's getting more and more involved in and around the penalty area which really does help our play.

[AG7]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i said just dont make this abaut Edin because its always when i say something like now u going on Edin card and u do that again , i m saying u see facts wrong and saying dont make this abaut Edin and first thing u do u make it abaut that , its not true that Tevez and Aguero are best starter guy show u in stats all and u ignore it . They win just 3 games in without help of other players i dont give crap abaut witch players , but always when i have something to say and now it was abaut how u refuse to see statistic, u saying Edin bla bla even do i said lets not make this abaut Edin , its funny almost. I cant ignore when it s not true what u saying, Barry won one game when they start( Reading) Edin won 2 us sub with late goals when they start, they won 3 an rest where draw .Whatever i say and i m right here, and because talk was abaut strikers and i said ok he will say something abaut me Edin lover and go from subject, so i said lets not make this abaut Edin , and course he make it abaut that.

Paulus? Welcome back mate!

[MilnersJaw]

Watch the last few games again re: Barry - he seems to have been asked to play Yaya's role while he's in Africa - Silva picked him out with a telepathic ball when he made a great run along the left side of the box (I think it was the game before last) and he is regularly having shots in or around the penalty area lately. Bob seems to like one of his two central midfielders to be more active in various phases of play, and one to limit himself to defensive play and at the moment Barry is the active one. (Having been the defensive one when Yaya was in the team).

maybe you're right. But I didn't see the temp or the creativity pick up either. Although he is one of the slowest players in the pl.

He might look slow but just keep an eye on him next time out. He reads the play really well and always seems to pop up where you don't expect him to be. He covers the defence from left to right and is always open for the ball when needed. Now his niggles have gone he's getting more and more involved in and around the penalty area which really does help our play.

we'll see on sunday. 50 quid, family stand, yes mate.

[tikatakamcfc]

Here's a little stat that for all of you, regarding our strikers.
It seems that Aguero/Tevez partnership is not providing us as much as it seemed, to me at least.

Someone should maybe analyse Tevez/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko starts to see what happens.

What does wins deserved mean?

Won matches that a player had some kind of direct influence, like goals, assists. Not wins that were achieved when he wasnt on the pitch.

Ok so for example, in the game vs Southhampton Tevez put us up 1-0, but that doesn't count because then they scored two more and Nasri was the one who scored the winning goal. Not critizising you, just wondering if I understand your way of doing the stats.

I count it like this.
It counts for him (Tevez), under "Deserved wins" but I dont count it to Tevez/Aguero duo, since Aguero was on the pitch for 14 minutes, while Edin is the one that finished the rest of the game, he and Tevez scored, so him and Tevez deserved that win for us.

The way I see it. But its open for debate, no offense taken.

The main reason I took the time to look into these stats is ... I was so annoyed after QPR. Overall opinion about Tev/Aguero is that when they start, we basically always win.. but somehow I cant remember that last time we had comfortable win when they start..its always down to the last 10 minutes, or last few minutes, but never easy.

So it turns out that out of 9 times they started together, only 3 times we won with those two actually playing together, while the other 6 matches (red colored numbers) we either didnt won (2 times) or we won with different partnership on the pitch (3 times Aguero/Dzeko and 1 time Tevez/Dzeko).

[Pretty Boy Lee]

I count it like this.
It counts for him (Tevez), under "Deserved wins" but I dont count it to Tevez/Aguero duo, since Aguero was on the pitch for 14 minutes, while Edin is the one that finished the rest of the game, he and Tevez scored, so him and Tevez deserved that win for us.

The way I see it. But its open for debate, no offense taken.

The main reason I took the time to look into these stats is ... I was so annoyed after QPR. Overall opinion about Tev/Aguero is that when they start, we basically always win.. but somehow I cant remember that last time we had comfortable win when they start..its always down to the last 10 minutes, or last few minutes, but never easy.

So it turns out that out of 9 times they started together, only 3 times we won with those two actually playing together, while the other 6 matches (red colored numbers) we either didnt won (2 times) or we won with different partnership on the pitch (3 times Aguero/Dzeko and 1 time Tevez/Dzeko).

So what you're saying is we have a much better winning record when dzeko comes on late than when he starts?

I agree super sub!

[TheReturnOfTheSpecialOne]

I don't really want to single out anyone but Nasri is a massive problem for me. I'll try explain.

Basically we're not creating clear cut chances. As you say, we're had 7 shots on target from 37 attempts returning just one goal. How many of those attempts off target where glaring misses? I'd say very few.

We're facing teams who basically set up to shut us down, QPR did it tonight with one up front and a natural full back on the right wing and others do it week in, week out. Reading at home also springs to minds.

That presents a challenge - find a way to break them down. Right now we have Silva returning to form but he is only our playmaker in the middle of the park, stop him and you essentially stop City as an attacking threat.

That's where Nasri *should* be stepping up but isn't. He has been bloody awful this season, a passenger who offers little or nothing in possession of the ball. He has the ability, no question about that, but he's not performing.

Throw in the fact that we have no wingers to genuinely make the opposition shit themselves and you have a very limited side that's easily found out.

While we're a bit short up front by selling Mario, we could have six strikers on the park and it would still be no use if the service is shit. That's the biggest issue for me right now.

His most significant impression, for me, has been mouthing off to the camera at the Gooner fans, after the title-winning game.
That, and of course, the Rags winning free where he distracted Joe Hart just enough, so that he missed the goal.

He's massively underachieved; having said that, I always doubted the wisdom of the purchase in the first place, and how he'd slot in, alongside Silva

[Ted Hughes]

I don't really want to single out anyone but Nasri is a massive problem for me. I'll try explain.

Basically we're not creating clear cut chances. As you say, we're had 7 shots on target from 37 attempts returning just one goal. How many of those attempts off target where glaring misses? I'd say very few.

We're facing teams who basically set up to shut us down, QPR did it tonight with one up front and a natural full back on the right wing and others do it week in, week out. Reading at home also springs to minds.

That presents a challenge - find a way to break them down. Right now we have Silva returning to form but he is only our playmaker in the middle of the park, stop him and you essentially stop City as an attacking threat.

That's where Nasri *should* be stepping up but isn't. He has been bloody awful this season, a passenger who offers little or nothing in possession of the ball. He has the ability, no question about that, but he's not performing.

Throw in the fact that we have no wingers to genuinely make the opposition shit themselves and you have a very limited side that's easily found out.

While we're a bit short up front by selling Mario, we could have six strikers on the park and it would still be no use if the service is shit. That's the biggest issue for me right now.

His most significant impression, for me, has been mouthing off to the camera at the Gooner fans, after the title-winning game.
That, and of course, the Rags winning free where he distracted Joe Hart just enough, so that he missed the goal.

He's massively underachieved; having said that, I always doubted the wisdom of the purchase in the first place, and how he'd slot in, alongside Silva

I think the thing about Nasri is that he's actually always been an 'ok' to 'decent' player who has little spells of being world class. People always look at Arsenal players & overrate them. Most aren't especially good.

If you treat him as just 'ok', he's a useful squad player who chips in with important moments here & there, sometimes world class ones.

If you rely on him to do it & be a crucial part of the team, you have got a problem & if you use him during a duff spell, he is useless.

We desperately needed an alternative to (& partner for) Silva, tried for Hazard & failed, then decided, probably correctly, that there was nobody else of that nature available worth signing; nobody good enough to improve our team. We trusted Nasri to do enough. I think if the same situation arises next summer & the top targets aren't available, we should sign a youngster or a veteran creative (goalscoring?) midfielder; make sure we have another option or two other than Nasri, even if they aren't our 1st choice.

Tbh, imo Elano or Robinho would have probably had more of an impact than Nasri has in most games he's played this season & they were a pair of wasters.

Frank Lampard would have been much more use to the squad.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

I think the thing about Nasri is that he's actually always been an 'ok' to 'decent' player who has little spells of being world class. People always look at Arsenal players & overrate them. Most aren't especially good.

If you treat him as just 'ok', he's a useful squad player who chips in with important moments here & there, sometimes world class ones.

If you rely on him to do it & be a crucial part of the team, you have got a problem & if you use him during a duff spell, he is useless.

We desperately needed an alternative to (& partner for) Silva, tried for Hazard & failed, then decided, probably correctly, that there was nobody else of that nature available worth signing; nobody good enough to improve our team. We trusted Nasri to do enough. I think if the same situation arises next summer & the top targets aren't available, we should sign a youngster or a veteran creative (goalscoring?) midfielder; make sure we have another option or two other than Nasri, even if they aren't our 1st choice.

Tbh, imo Elano or Robinho would have probably had more of an impact than Nasri has in most games he's played this season & they were a pair of wasters.

Frank Lampard would have been much more use to the squad.

Don't speak ill of my Robinho. Love that guy.

Elano wasn't that bad either.