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Postby Bluez » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:14 pm

So According to Deloittes revenue figures, here is the new league Table

Man Utd: 396m euros
Chelsea: 323m euros
Arsenal: 290m euros
Manchester City: 286m euros
Liverpool: 233m euros

And of those the only one with significant growth has been City.

Bearing in mind that Our match day revenue is significantly lower than any of the other four there is also a potential for a large increase there as well. Although that would mean screwing the fans like Arsenal or Chelsea do. Thanks Premier League, you have just removed plenty of competition for a top four place, further securing Citys position.
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Postby Big H » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:43 pm

[/quote]..........this has effectively saved the Glazers as owners.[/quote]

Which isn't a bad thing.
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Postby Redna » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:53 pm

I don't know what to say about this because I don't understand it but my gut feeling is that them is behind this.Dressing it up in a "we don't want another Portsmouth". This is of course just an excuse. The real purpose is to establish the order of the last 2 decades.
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Postby Blue Since 76 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:56 pm

On top of this, the EU has decided that capitalism is bad and supply and demand should go out of the window. Their suggestion today is that transfer values should be capped at 70% of the original contract value. So Zaha would have cost about £1.5m, same for Walcott, Shrek about £3m. And the small clubs couldn't protect themselves by inflating wages, as that would mean they overspent...
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Postby Im_Spartacus » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:02 pm

Redna wrote:I don't know what to say about this because I don't understand it but my gut feeling is that them is behind this.Dressing it up in a "we don't want another Portsmouth". This is of course just an excuse. The real purpose is to establish the order of the last 2 decades.
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The point about Pompey is fucking bang on here.

Clubs will be allowed to run at a total loss of £105m over the next 3 years. Whch i've already seen ine slimy red cunt say, "this allows investment"

So...lets see just how much investment it allows.

lets say A club currently running at break even (say Everton) for example are taken over and handed £105m tomorrow to buy 5 new players and go for it in the league.

Well the reality is that they wont be able to buy those 5 new £20m players, because they arent allowed to dip into the tv revenue pot by more than an extra £4m to pay the wages - all of which you would expect to be min £100k/wk, £5m a year per man, and another £75m in outgoings for the wages in the next 3 years. The club would have to increase their own income source by £50m a year over that short period to allow this under the proposed rules.

Which basically means a non-cl league side investing in their squad even moderately, would have to break into the top 4 consistently (and immediately) with just £100m of transfer kitty. No fucking way jose, not possible......and there is the myth totally and utterly exposed for what it is. The restriction on spending the new tv money gives it away here more than anything else.

Fuethermore, this wont prevent another pompey situation at all, and the rags, arsenal, scouse fans will tell you it is, but Pompey would have still gone the same way had these rules been in place, because the spending of £105m of money they didnt have would have been sanctioned by the FA
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Postby zuricity » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:22 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
The point about Pompey is fucking bang on here.

Clubs will be allowed to run at a total loss of £105m over the next 3 years. Whch i've already seen ine slimy red cunt say, "this allows investment"

So...lets see just how much investment it allows.

lets say A club currently running at break even (say Everton) for example are taken over and handed £105m tomorrow to buy 5 new players and go for it in the league.

Well the reality is that they wont be able to buy those 5 new £20m players, because they arent allowed to dip into the tv revenue pot by more than an extra £4m to pay the wages - all of which you would expect to be min £100k/wk, £5m a year per man, and another £75m in outgoings for the wages in the next 3 years. The club would have to increase their own income source by £50m a year over that short period to allow this under the proposed rules.

Which basically means a non-cl league would have to break into the top 4 consistently (and immediately) with just £100m of transfer kitty. No fucking way jose, not possible......and there is the myth totally and utterly exposed for what it is

Fuethermore, this wont prevent another pompey situation at all, and the rags, arsenal, scouse fans will tell you it is, but Pompey would have still gone the same way had these rules been in place, because the spending of £105m of money they didnt have would have been sanctioned by the FA


Now if Arsenal and Chelsea don't qualify for the CL , they're up the Swannee.

The rags have to replace CG, probably Vidic, coz his knee is kaputt. Giggs, Scholes and need a new goalie. And they still haven't seen the best of the new duncan edwards . Evra will be off and we expect Rip van Arse to get injured. They have a lot of buying to do.

Once joe punter finds it all too repetitive ( winners down to 4th place) , they will stop going. it might take a decade though .
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Postby AG7 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:07 pm

According to Sky News (not SSN) just now ... 14 voted Yes and 6 voted No (lead by us) ... and the proposal is to allow a maximum of £105m of losses over three years, starting next season (2013/14) ...

Hmmm, I am sure the way we have gone over last two years, (first the loss of £197m last year then down to £97m this year) ... we should be fine with getting it under that £105m (over next three years) mark ... but keeping that in mind, we'll end up not signing marquee players ... no Cavani or Falcao but Sinclairs and Rodwells OK? While the scum will be able to afford 28 year old injury prones for £24m+ ... well, I don't like this ...

We better get to court and stop this in the bud before it gets out of hand. Which were those 13th and 14th idiotic clubs that voted with them? 14 were required to pass this and that's exactly the no. of votes they got!
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Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:11 pm

AG7 wrote:According to Sky News (not SSN) just now ... 14 voted Yes and 6 voted No (lead by us) ... and the proposal is to allow a maximum of £105m of losses over three years, starting next season (2013/14) ...

Hmmm, I am sure the way we have gone over last two years, (first the loss of £197m last year then down to £97m this year) ... we should be fine with getting it under that £105m (over next three years) mark ... but keeping that in mind, we'll end up not signing marquee players ... no Cavani or Falcao but Sinclairs and Rodwells OK? While the scum will be able to afford 28 year old injury prones for £24m+ ... well, I don't like this ...

We better get to court and stop this in the bud before it gets out of hand. Which were those 13th and 14th idiotic clubs that voted with them? 14 were required to pass this and that's exactly the no. of votes they got!

Somebody needs to take this to court, but not us (the year after next we'll have a fortune to throw around, if needs be). Our revenue will grow to such an extent that only the rags will be in front of us next year. That's not the point, I wouldn't worry about us, just what'll happen to football in this country.
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Postby carolina-blue » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:13 pm

AG7 wrote:According to Sky News (not SSN) just now ... 14 voted Yes and 6 voted No (lead by us) ... and the proposal is to allow a maximum of £105m of losses over three years, starting next season (2013/14) ...

Hmmm, I am sure the way we have gone over last two years, (first the loss of £197m last year then down to £97m this year) ... we should be fine with getting it under that £105m (over next three years) mark ... but keeping that in mind, we'll end up not signing marquee players ... no Cavani or Falcao but Sinclairs and Rodwells OK? While the scum will be able to afford 28 year old injury prones for £24m+ ... well, I don't like this ...

We better get to court and stop this in the bud before it gets out of hand. Which were those 13th and 14th idiotic clubs that voted with them? 14 were required to pass this and that's exactly the no. of votes they got!



Clubs sources say Fulham, West Brom, Manchester City, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton all voted against. With Reading Abstaining , Why did Chavs vote for it ??
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Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:15 pm

carolina-blue wrote:
AG7 wrote:According to Sky News (not SSN) just now ... 14 voted Yes and 6 voted No (lead by us) ... and the proposal is to allow a maximum of £105m of losses over three years, starting next season (2013/14) ...

Hmmm, I am sure the way we have gone over last two years, (first the loss of £197m last year then down to £97m this year) ... we should be fine with getting it under that £105m (over next three years) mark ... but keeping that in mind, we'll end up not signing marquee players ... no Cavani or Falcao but Sinclairs and Rodwells OK? While the scum will be able to afford 28 year old injury prones for £24m+ ... well, I don't like this ...

We better get to court and stop this in the bud before it gets out of hand. Which were those 13th and 14th idiotic clubs that voted with them? 14 were required to pass this and that's exactly the no. of votes they got!



Clubs sources say Fulham, West Brom, Manchester City, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton all voted against. With Reading Abstaining , Why did Chavs vote for it ??

Everton voted to fuck themselves over? LOL, this has actually got a funny side to it....
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Postby AG7 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:17 pm

carolina-blue wrote:
Clubs sources say Fulham, West Brom, Manchester City, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton all voted against. With Reading Abstaining , Why did Chavs vote for it ??


Chelsea posted a profit for the first time this year in Abramovich era ... they too are in better position than us over next three years and comes signing time, they now see us as direct competition for signatures and not the scum. They probably feel they can get ahead in these three years and then stay atop ... or amongst top two.
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Postby AG7 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:19 pm

carolina-blue wrote:
Clubs sources say Fulham, West Brom, Manchester City, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton all voted against. With Reading Abstaining , Why did Chavs vote for it ??


Reading abstained? Couldn't have as they needed 14 Yays to pass through and there certainly were 6 Nays ... Sky News bulletin didn't mention anyone abstaining ... they said 14 votes Yes and 6 No!
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Postby carolina-blue » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:23 pm

JUST COPIED AND PASTED THIS FROM SSN

Premier League clubs will face a points deduction if they breach new spending controls, chief executive Richard Scudamore has confirmed.

The 20 club chairmen agreed to two significant controls on Thursday - to limit players' wage bills from next season and to longer-term measures that will restrict the amount of losses clubs can make to £105million over three years.

Clubs whose total wage bill is more than £52m will only be allowed to increase their wages by £4m per season for the next three years, but the cap does not cover extra money coming in from increases in commercial or matchday income.

Scudamore said: "As all things in our rulebook you will subject to a disciplinary commission.

"The clubs understand that if people break the £105m we will look for the top-end ultimate sanction range - a points deduction.

"Normally we stay silent on sanctions as the commission has a free range but clearly if there is a material breach of that rule we will be asking the commission to consider top-end sanctions."

The vote for financial regulations could hardly have been closer, with only 13 of the 20 clubs voting in favour, with six against and Reading abstaining.

It meant that the 'yes' vote only narrowly achieved the necessary two-thirds majority of the 19 votes cast.

Clubs sources say Fulham, West Brom, Manchester City, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton all voted against.

Scudamore said there would be an "absolute prohibition" on clubs reporting losses of more than £105m over the next three years with the first sanctions possible in 2016.

Of the 20 clubs in the top flight, only Manchester City, Chelsea and Liverpool have reported losses of more than £105m over the last three years, according to the most up-to-date published accounts.

The regulations have come about against the backdrop of UEFA's Financial Fair Play (FFP) initiative.

Under UEFA's new rules clubs are being forced to minimise losses or risk the possibility of exclusion from European competition from 2014/15.

Scudamore admitted that their own FFP measures would mean it will take longer for benefactor owners to achieve success, but that it would still be possible.

He said: "The balance we have tried to strike is that a new owner can still invest a decent amount of money to improve their club but they are not going to be throwing hundreds and hundreds of millions in a very short period of time.

"While it has worked for a couple of clubs in the last 10 years, and I am not critical of that, if that's going to be done in the future it's going to have to be over a slightly longer term without the huge losses being made.

"I think at £105m you can still build a very decent club with substantial owner funding but you have to do it over time, you can't do it in a season."

Chelsea won the Premier League two years after Roman Abramovich's takeover, and Manchester City's title success came three years after Sheikh Mansour's takeover.

Any club making any loss of over £5m a year will have guarantee those losses against the owner's assets.

"In some ways that's the most significant part; this is a three-year rolling system of secure funding - it's one year at the moment," added Scudamore.

The ceiling when the wage increase restrictions kick in will be £52m next season, £56m the following year and £60m in 2015-16. Only seven of the current top-flight clubs would be under that ceiling at the moment.
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Postby Goataldo » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:01 am

Just had a peek over at The Dark Side and their take on FFP...amongst the predictable arrogant bile, there's a poster called Finneh, for whom it seems, the penny has dropped. Fair play to the rag:

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/so-these-fina ... dex13.html
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Postby Tokyo Blue » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:05 am

I don't care how City stand in relation to this. It is way bigger than that. Anyone who judges it solely on how their own club is affected is as small-minded and selfish as the two clubs who have instigated this, in my book.

How anyone can think this is for the good of football is way beyond me. All it will do is take money from the fans (in increased ticket prices, Sky subscriptions etc) and the players (the ones who actually provide the entertainment) and put it in the hands of club owners who, with a few exceptions, contribute nothing to the game at all.

Though it may mean trouble for agents, this comes at the price of eliminating all element of serious competition from the sport.

What an utterly stupid decision.

edit: why did the owners of QPR vote in favour of this?
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Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:17 am

Goataldo wrote:Just had a peek over at The Dark Side and their take on FFP...amongst the predictable arrogant bile, there's a poster called Finneh, for whom it seems, the penny has dropped. Fair play to the rag:

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/so-these-fina ... dex13.html

Scum.
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Postby Tokyo Blue » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:18 am

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:
Goataldo wrote:Just had a peek over at The Dark Side and their take on FFP...amongst the predictable arrogant bile, there's a poster called Finneh, for whom it seems, the penny has dropped. Fair play to the rag:

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/so-these-fina ... dex13.html

Scum.

Indeed, PD.

Sorry Goataldo, I am not clicking on that.
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Postby patrickblue » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:00 am

AG7 wrote:
carolina-blue wrote:
Clubs sources say Fulham, West Brom, Manchester City, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton all voted against. With Reading Abstaining , Why did Chavs vote for it ??


Reading abstained? Couldn't have as they needed 14 Yays to pass through and there certainly were 6 Nays ... Sky News bulletin didn't mention anyone abstaining ... they said 14 votes Yes and 6 No!


I read it as 13-6 with 1 abstention.


http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/10214872._/

Cortese votes against Premier League spending controls
.8:19pm Thursday 7th February 2013 in Sport By Simon Carter, Sports Editor .

SAINTS chairman Nicola Cortese today voted against the new spending controls agreed by the narrowest majority at a Premier League chairmen's meeting.
The 20 club chairmen voted by 13 to six - with one abstention - to implement two significant controls - to limit players' wage bills from next season, and longer-term measures that will restrict the amount of losses clubs can make to £105million over three years.
Sources say Fulham, West Brom, Manchester City, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton all voted against. Chelsea, who had initially been viewed as opponents of financial fair play regulations, voted in favour. Reading abstained.
Clubs whose total wage bill is more than £52million will only be allowed to increase their wages by £4million per season for the next three years, though that cap does not cover extra money coming in from increases in commercial or matchday income.
The effect of the financial controls should prevent hugely wealthy owners achieving the almost-overnight success of Chelsea and Manchester City.
Any club breaching the rules will face tough sanctions - and Premier League chief executive Scudamore said they would be pushing for points deductions.
Scudamore told reporters: "As all things in our rulebook you will subject to a disciplinary commission.
"The clubs understand that if people break the £105m we will looking for the top-end ultimate sanction range - points deduction.
"Normally we stay silent on sanctions as the commission has a free range, but clearly if there is a material breach of that rule we will be asking the commission to consider top-end sanctions."
Of the 20 clubs in the top flight, only Manchester City, Chelsea and Liverpool have reported losses of more than £105million over the last three years, according to the most up-to-date published accounts.
Scudamore said there would be an "absolute prohibition" on clubs reporting losses of more than £105million over the next three years with the first sanctions possible in 2016. He said that the measures would mean it will take longer for benefactor owners to achieve success - but that it would still be possible.
He said: "The balance we have tried to strike is that a new owner can still invest a decent amount of money to improve their club but they are not going to be throwing hundreds and hundreds of millions in a very short period of time.
"While it has worked for a couple of clubs in the last 10 years, and I am not critical of that, if that's going to be done in the future it's going to have to be over a slightly longer term without the huge losses being made.
"I think at £105million you can still build a very decent club with substantial owner funding but you have to do it over time, you can't do it in a season."
Chelsea won the Premier League two years after Roman Abramovich's takeover, and Manchester City's title success came three years after Sheikh Mansour's takeover.
Any club making any loss of over £5million a year will have to guarantee those losses against the owner's assets.
"In some ways that's the most significant part, this is a three-year rolling system of secure funding - it's one year at the moment," Scudamore added.
The ceiling when the wage increase restrictions kick in will be £52million next season, £56million the following year and £60million i 2015/16. Only seven of the current top-flight clubs would be under that ceiling at the moment.
The Premier League's legal advisers will now work on the detailed proposals and these will be brought back before the chairmen in April to be ratified.
In a statement, Chelsea said they are supportive of moves that promote financial stability.
The statement said: "Premier League clubs today reached an agreement to introduce financial stability rules and wage controls for the league. Chelsea Football Club is supportive of moves that promote financial stability in football. We are already subject to UEFA's financial fair play principles and will comply with those.
"The new rules will be subject to further detailed discussions before they are brought in and we will play our part in those to ensure implementation is fair for all clubs in the league."
West Ham's co-owner David Gold said the proposals would prevent Portsmouth's descent in administration happening again.
He said: "It's not a salary cap - it's a restraint on over-spending. If clubs increase their revenues then they can increase their spending.
"We have got restraint - that's the important thing. What's driving the whole thing is we've got to avoid another Portsmouth."
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Postby phips » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:13 am

i like the salary cap =/
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Postby dazby » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:16 am

Right then, time to pick your favourite Qatari, UAE and Chinese team, because that's where the best players in the world will be going.
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