Anyone got Moureens number?

[Beefymcfc]

I remember a similar low point after the game at the Emirates last season but this seems worse. United aren't that great this season yet they could be 12 points clear today which isn't good enough. Add that to our dreadful CL campaign and Mancini has a crisis on his hands. If he can pull the team together and secure runner up plus the FA Cup he could survive I suppose but I can't help feeling that if Mourinho is available we'll come knocking. Hands up those who have real confidence that we'll improve next season under present management? I can't imagine Khaldoun thinks any different. Mancini's fighting for his job, there's no doubt about it.

I don't think we can do comparisons with United as they're on their best ever PL score total after 25 games. Even if we had beaten them they would be averaging more points than they got last year.

And I do hope Mancini does fight for his job, it's a fucking pre-requisite.

[Ted Hughes]

Ah, because we were shit once upon a time, makes this situation ok for us to be bent over and take it up the ricker like last night?

Glad you cleared that up, I cant get on with my Sunday now in a cheery mood

Calling for the manager's head and saying that you've never been so disgusted is beyond pathetic. Who are we, Chelsea? Liverpool?

We've always been known for our perspective, patience and sense of humour. Plenty of posters on here are seriously lacking in all three departments.

The league has gone this year, but the FA Cup hasn't. And I'm convinced we'll come back stronger next year. So long as we don't panic and hire a bell-end like Mourinho, that is.

We'll be stronger next year if we sign Mourinho as well. Just it would be a bit unfair, cause upheaval & we would have to put up with his bellend antics. I'd still back us to win the league though.

Ted - ok, say for instance in the summer, we sack Mancini and replace him with Jose. Will people want Mourinhio sacked if we finish 2nd or 3rd and don't win a trophy? What I mean is I do not want us to be a Chelsea or a Real Madrid model where we constantly have upheaval in the manager's office. I would like us to stick with a manager who has a lot of credit in the bank in managerial terms, through the good and bad times.

This same questions applies to Piccs.

I'd always give the manager support, whoever it is, but I may find myself getting in the giddy camp if we lost a game. Just because I could.

That is par for the couse at most big clubs & if Bob was sacked, it would be the case; Mourinho would have to deliver in order to justify being in the job.

Tbf though, that was why Mancini was brought in. He delivered but is failing to do so now. Some of us don't think that's worthy of sacking but others do. It's a fair argument & everyone is entitled to a view on it. I didn't want Hughes sacking but it brought about improvement. I don't want Mancini sacking but it may bring about improvement again for all I know. It's not an exact science.

[Beefymcfc]

That is par for the couse at most big clubs & if Bob was sacked, it would be the case; Mourinho would have to deliver in order to justify being in the job.

Tbf though, that was why Mancini was brought in. He delivered but is failing to do so now. Some of us don't think that's worthy of sacking but others do. It's a fair argument & everyone is entitled to a view on it. I didn't want Hughes sacking but it brought about improvement. I don't want Mancini sacking but it may bring about improvement again for all I know. It's not an exact science.

Totally agree mate. The board will look at this season and make an informed judgement with the available options. Every manager comes with risk but as always it's ensuring that the risk is managed.

I can't stand Mourinho though, which cuts the options down considerably for me.

So, nobody want Chris Hughton then?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with some names that would make me think "hmmmm.....he may have a point".

For starters, Jose Mourinho is employed by Real Madrid. You don't just go and steal Real's manager do you?
Someone said Rogers, I thought that was a joke but it actually got some responses. He is managing Liverpool team that cost hundreds of millions to put together as well and what does he have to show for it? 9 points behind Champion's League spot and just got kicked out of FA Cup by fucking Oldham Athletic. It's tragic that someone would even mention him.

So who else? Pep's gone to Munich (I predict he will fail there by the way) and then we got long list of Chelsea rejects. As a matter of fact Roberto Di Matteo is one of the few that would make any sense but can anyone say that he is better manager than Mancini?

It is difficult to make a case for anyone being a better option than Mancini but 'the powers that be' make that decision & know the feeling amongst the players, & from their own dealings with him.

If they decide to get rid, Mourinho is the obvious choice for someone with a proven track record but he's had a terrible season & is a wanker. I'm pretty sure he'll win trophies again somewhere though. I just don't want him.

I don't know enough about the Klopps of this world to make a judgement. I hate to say it but Moyes could do it imo. He was tactically better than Bob at our place & has proved he knows how to play proper football as well as result football. That would be a huge gamble as he has no record of success, so sacking Bob is a bigger gamble than keeping him imo.

If he loses the players though, it will happen. Something was a bit fishy yesterday. Whether it's that or something else I've no idea but something felt wrong other than just a bad day at the office.

Moyes is always a good shout as I do honestly think he is tactically astute and prepares his teams well. He also deserves a crack at one of the big clubs. However, there are things that are heavily stacked against him. First of all, I'm pretty sure owners want a Name. Someone who goes with the positive image they are trying to create for us. Moyes is a gloomy Scottish bastard. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with that sort of character in charge but they want someone who people around the globe can identify to. Second, Moyes wants to be in charge of all football matters. We have director of football system. It's the same problem with Mancini it has to be said but I'm not sure Moyes would sign up for it.

If owners and Txiki want someone else then fair enough. That's their decision to make. I just don't think Mancini's track record with us warrants Mancini out campaign. In fact, I would be fucking embarrased if such thing would take place.

[Ted Hughes]

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with some names that would make me think "hmmmm.....he may have a point".

For starters, Jose Mourinho is employed by Real Madrid. You don't just go and steal Real's manager do you?
Someone said Rogers, I thought that was a joke but it actually got some responses. He is managing Liverpool team that cost hundreds of millions to put together as well and what does he have to show for it? 9 points behind Champion's League spot and just got kicked out of FA Cup by fucking Oldham Athletic. It's tragic that someone would even mention him.

So who else? Pep's gone to Munich (I predict he will fail there by the way) and then we got long list of Chelsea rejects. As a matter of fact Roberto Di Matteo is one of the few that would make any sense but can anyone say that he is better manager than Mancini?

It is difficult to make a case for anyone being a better option than Mancini but 'the powers that be' make that decision & know the feeling amongst the players, & from their own dealings with him.

If they decide to get rid, Mourinho is the obvious choice for someone with a proven track record but he's had a terrible season & is a wanker. I'm pretty sure he'll win trophies again somewhere though. I just don't want him.

I don't know enough about the Klopps of this world to make a judgement. I hate to say it but Moyes could do it imo. He was tactically better than Bob at our place & has proved he knows how to play proper football as well as result football. That would be a huge gamble as he has no record of success, so sacking Bob is a bigger gamble than keeping him imo.

If he loses the players though, it will happen. Something was a bit fishy yesterday. Whether it's that or something else I've no idea but something felt wrong other than just a bad day at the office.

Moyes is always a good shout as I do honestly think he is tactically astute and prepares his teams well. He also deserves a crack at one of the big clubs. However, there are things that are heavily stacked against him. First of all, I'm pretty sure owners want a Name. Someone who goes with the positive image they are trying to create for us. Moyes is a gloomy Scottish bastard. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with that sort of character in charge but they want someone who people around the globe can identify to. Second, Moyes wants to be in charge of all football matters. We have director of football system. It's the same problem with Mancini it has to be said but I'm not sure Moyes would sign up for it.

If owners and Txiki want someone else then fair enough. That's their decision to make. I just don't think Mancini's track record with us warrants Mancini out campaign. In fact, I would be fucking embarrased if such thing would take place.

Well you get branded a Mancini outer on here if you criticise him in any way, no matter how many times yo say you want to keep him, & Harry Redkanpp has already had a go at City fans for wanting him out, even though we sing his name at every game, so it will be our fault if he does go, whatever.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with some names that would make me think "hmmmm.....he may have a point".

For starters, Jose Mourinho is employed by Real Madrid. You don't just go and steal Real's manager do you?
Someone said Rogers, I thought that was a joke but it actually got some responses. He is managing Liverpool team that cost hundreds of millions to put together as well and what does he have to show for it? 9 points behind Champion's League spot and just got kicked out of FA Cup by fucking Oldham Athletic. It's tragic that someone would even mention him.

So who else? Pep's gone to Munich (I predict he will fail there by the way) and then we got long list of Chelsea rejects. As a matter of fact Roberto Di Matteo is one of the few that would make any sense but can anyone say that he is better manager than Mancini?

It is difficult to make a case for anyone being a better option than Mancini but 'the powers that be' make that decision & know the feeling amongst the players, & from their own dealings with him.

If they decide to get rid, Mourinho is the obvious choice for someone with a proven track record but he's had a terrible season & is a wanker. I'm pretty sure he'll win trophies again somewhere though. I just don't want him.

I don't know enough about the Klopps of this world to make a judgement. I hate to say it but Moyes could do it imo. He was tactically better than Bob at our place & has proved he knows how to play proper football as well as result football. That would be a huge gamble as he has no record of success, so sacking Bob is a bigger gamble than keeping him imo.

If he loses the players though, it will happen. Something was a bit fishy yesterday. Whether it's that or something else I've no idea but something felt wrong other than just a bad day at the office.

Moyes is always a good shout as I do honestly think he is tactically astute and prepares his teams well. He also deserves a crack at one of the big clubs. However, there are things that are heavily stacked against him. First of all, I'm pretty sure owners want a Name. Someone who goes with the positive image they are trying to create for us. Moyes is a gloomy Scottish bastard. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with that sort of character in charge but they want someone who people around the globe can identify to. Second, Moyes wants to be in charge of all football matters. We have director of football system. It's the same problem with Mancini it has to be said but I'm not sure Moyes would sign up for it.

If owners and Txiki want someone else then fair enough. That's their decision to make. I just don't think Mancini's track record with us warrants Mancini out campaign. In fact, I would be fucking embarrased if such thing would take place.

Well you get branded a Mancini outer on here if you criticise him in any way, no matter how many times yo say you want to keep him, & Harry Redkanpp has already had a go at City fans for wanting him out, even though we sing his name at every game, so it will be our fault if he does go, whatever.

Strange, as cod-face said only last season that any manager could win the league with our players, belittling Mancini's contribution to our title triumph.

[carl_feedthegoat]

It really is this simple , if we continue to limp along into second or 3rd place and get knocked out pre semi finals of the FA cup then Mancini DESERVES to be sacked.

End of.

Mourinho won everything with Porto and it didnt cost the club billions , he also turned average players into world beaters and when they went on to play for other clubs they never played at the same level , he turns players into BETTER players with or without money (Mancini has not improved anyone in my opinion , actually the reverse can be said) so he would be the ideal candidate to take over.He is 100% a better manager than Mancini and that is a fact.

I suggest we take off our fuckign blue tinted specs for a minute and think what is actually better for MCFC , I wouldnt worry about how long he might be here for, no manager gets any club guarantees for long term employment so it works both ways.
Mourinho is no fucking gamble at all.

[Spurge]

no need for anyones number unless mancinis lost the dressing room

[Mark Garrett]

It really is this simple , if we continue to limp along into second or 3rd place and get knocked out pre semi finals of the FA cup then Mancini DESERVES to be sacked.

End of.

Mourinho won everything with Porto and it didnt cost the club billions , he also turned average players into world beaters and when they went on to play for other clubs they never played at the same level , he turns players into BETTER players with or without money (Mancini has not improved anyone in my opinion , actually the reverse can be said) so he would be the ideal candidate to take over.He is 100% a better manager than Mancini and that is a fact.

I suggest we take off our fuckign blue tinted specs for a minute and think what is actually better for MCFC , I wouldnt worry about how long he might be here for, no manager gets any club guarantees for long term employment so it works both ways.
Mourinho is no fucking gamble at all.

I disagree with you. Examples of players he has improved - Kompany, Zabaleta, Richards, Clichy to name a few. Tevez has played the best football of his career under Mancini

Mancini came in 3 and a half years ago to change the mentality and culture of this club into a winning, which he has emphatically done. Won two trophies and for large parts of his reign we have played a very good passing game. Also learned to beat United in very important matches and of course there was the Old Trafford massacre of 6-1. Mancini has delivered success.

This article talks a lot of sense - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9860503/Roberto-Mancini-has-delivered-success-and-Manchester-City-owners-must-share-blame-for-this-seasons-failings.html

[Blue Since 76]

I disagree with you. Examples of players he has improved - Kompany, Zabaleta, Richards, Clichy to name a few. Tevez has played the best football of his career under Mancini

Mancini came in 3 and a half years ago to change the mentality and culture of this club into a winning, which he has emphatically done. Won two trophies and for large parts of his reign we have played a very good passing game. Also learned to beat United in very important matches and of course there was the Old Trafford massacre of 6-1. Mancini has delivered success.

This article talks a lot of sense - [url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9860503/Roberto-Mancini-has-delivered-success-and-Manchester-City-owners-must-share-blame-for-this-seasons-failings.html"]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9860503/Roberto-Mancini-has-delivered-success-and-Manchester-City-owners-must-share-blame-for-this-seasons-failings.html[/url]

Are the two clear objectives in the article on our website or did the author just guess?

I've said elsewhere that we've no idea what the owners wanted and therefore how Mancini is really doing. They may have set top 3 whilst they sorted out reducing costs for a couple of seasons. Or they may have expected him to coach the squad he had to retain the title etc. Summer will answer that question.

[carl_feedthegoat]

It really is this simple , if we continue to limp along into second or 3rd place and get knocked out pre semi finals of the FA cup then Mancini DESERVES to be sacked.

End of.

Mourinho won everything with Porto and it didnt cost the club billions , he also turned average players into world beaters and when they went on to play for other clubs they never played at the same level , he turns players into BETTER players with or without money (Mancini has not improved anyone in my opinion , actually the reverse can be said) so he would be the ideal candidate to take over.He is 100% a better manager than Mancini and that is a fact.

I suggest we take off our fuckign blue tinted specs for a minute and think what is actually better for MCFC , I wouldnt worry about how long he might be here for, no manager gets any club guarantees for long term employment so it works both ways.
Mourinho is no fucking gamble at all.

I disagree with you. Examples of players he has improved - Kompany, Zabaleta, Richards, Clichy to name a few. Tevez has played the best football of his career under Mancini

Mancini came in 3 and a half years ago to change the mentality and culture of this club into a winning, which he has emphatically done. Won two trophies and for large parts of his reign we have played a very good passing game. Also learned to beat United in very important matches and of course there was the Old Trafford massacre of 6-1. Mancini has delivered success.

This article talks a lot of sense - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9860503/Roberto-Mancini-has-delivered-success-and-Manchester-City-owners-must-share-blame-for-this-seasons-failings.html

What Mancini did last year has fuckall to do with this year unless we show that we are improving - we are not improving and most of the players have been well below par this season , some of them utter shite (Nasri for one).

As I said , limp along to second or 3rd and get blown out of the FA cup then Mancini deserves to be sacked.

[zuricity]

Its a shit argument to say that because you can't think of anybody to replace him, we stick with a failing manager.
Of course we can find one manager in the wide wide world of football with the opportunity and cash we can offer.

It's actually a shit argument to state that Roberto is a failing manager , when actually , so far we have seen success after success. if that is a 'failing manager' , i'd like to know how someone like Pearce, or even better Hughes might be described.

We have found a Manager, now give it a rest and let City build upon our recent successes.

[Dameerto]

Considering the number of Argentinians and Spanish speakers in our squad we should nick Southampton's manager, it wouldn't matter that he cant speak English, and he can already get a team of players playing for him without them understanding him.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Its a shit argument to say that because you can't think of anybody to replace him, we stick with a failing manager.
Of course we can find one manager in the wide wide world of football with the opportunity and cash we can offer.

It's actually a shit argument to state that Roberto is a failing manager , when actually , so far we have seen success after success. if that is a 'failing manager' , i'd like to know how someone like Pearce, or even better Hughes might be described.

We have found a Manager, now give it a rest and let City build upon our recent successes.

It's ridiculous to compare Pearce with Mancini. He had thruppence ha'lpenny to spend. In hindsight it was a remarkable achievement to stay up with that squad.

[john68]

Piccs,
I truly understand your frustration with what is happening at City this season mate. I feel the same but it is far too simplistic just to lump all the blame on Mancini. There are many things happening at our club, causing massive changes and problems that directly affect the direction the club is moving in and impact on Mancini's job.

First, your misconception that City have pots of money. NOT TRUE MATE. We are far from potless but the clubs chosen policy of compliance with the FFPR has meant that if not quite firmly shut, the wallet has been temporarily pocketed and the room for financial manoeuvering severely restricted if not quite curtailed. Any new manager would be subject to those same conditions.

Your argument to sack Mancini maybe ultimately prove right but to suggest as have done that we should sack him and then find someone out there in the world of football doesn't stack up Pal. It follows the time honoured path of most other demolition fans who want to destroy but because it's not their responsibility to replace, give it little thought. We cannot sack unless any replacement is an improvement.

You must also take into consideration that any new manager will be working to the design and under the control of our owners and controllers. Much like Barca, where there is a set style and a policy of play that any prospective Barca coach has to adhere to, the same now applies at City. Gone are the days when a new manager came in and everything became changed in his new image. Today, a new manager would be a coach and sing City's already written song.

I can see Mr Maureen dancing to that tune,can you?

[Ted Hughes]

It really is this simple , if we continue to limp along into second or 3rd place and get knocked out pre semi finals of the FA cup then Mancini DESERVES to be sacked.

End of.

Mourinho won everything with Porto and it didnt cost the club billions , he also turned average players into world beaters and when they went on to play for other clubs they never played at the same level , he turns players into BETTER players with or without money (Mancini has not improved anyone in my opinion , actually the reverse can be said) so he would be the ideal candidate to take over.He is 100% a better manager than Mancini and that is a fact.

I suggest we take off our fuckign blue tinted specs for a minute and think what is actually better for MCFC , I wouldnt worry about how long he might be here for, no manager gets any club guarantees for long term employment so it works both ways.
Mourinho is no fucking gamble at all.

I disagree with you. Examples of players he has improved - Kompany, Zabaleta, Richards, Clichy to name a few. Tevez has played the best football of his career under Mancini

Mancini came in 3 and a half years ago to change the mentality and culture of this club into a winning, which he has emphatically done. Won two trophies and for large parts of his reign we have played a very good passing game. Also learned to beat United in very important matches and of course there was the Old Trafford massacre of 6-1. Mancini has delivered success.

This article talks a lot of sense - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9860503/Roberto-Mancini-has-delivered-success-and-Manchester-City-owners-must-share-blame-for-this-seasons-failings.html

That article is very fair comment indeed but doesn't excuse how poor some of our performances have been this season & some of his poor tactical & selection decisions. It would be very harsh to scak him in those circumstances but he is by no means blameless & should have this group of players performing better. Not winning the league is fair enough but being fucking shite is not.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Piccs,
I truly understand your frustration with what is happening at City this season mate. I feel the same but it is far too simplistic just to lump all the blame on Mancini. There are many things happening at our club, causing massive changes and problems that directly affect the direction the club is moving in and impact on Mancini's job.

First, your misconception that City have pots of money. NOT TRUE MATE. We are far from potless but the clubs chosen policy of compliance with the FFPR has meant that if not quite firmly shut, the wallet has been temporarily pocketed and the room for financial manoeuvering severely restricted if not quite curtailed. Any new manager would be subject to those same conditions.

Your argument to sack Mancini maybe ultimately prove right but to suggest as have done that we should sack him and then find someone out there in the world of football doesn't stack up Pal. It follows the time honoured path of most other demolition fans who want to destroy but because it's not their responsibility to replace, give it little thought. We cannot sack unless any replacement is an improvement.




You must also take into consideration that any new manager will be working to the design and under the control of our owners and controllers. Much like Barca, where there is a set style and a policy of play that any prospective Barca coach has to adhere to, the same now applies at City. Gone are the days when a new manager came in and everything became changed in his new image. Today, a new manager would be a coach and sing City's already written song.

I can see Mr Maureen dancing to that tune,can you?

I'm not suggesting sack him then look about. I'm saying that we have a whole world of football to choose from, with very few managers off limits. Of course we can find somebody who is an improvement.

[Lee_R]

Having calmed down since yesterday and trying to look at the picture as a whole unless we win the FA Cup (because the league has to be gone now) then I still think Mancini has taken us as far as he can. I dont know if Mourinho is the answer so I dont know. I hope that Mancini can evolve and improve but I'm not seeing any signs of it. No one can say we have not gone backwards.

This years objective has to have been:

1.CL quality from group stage
2.Compete for title
3.Compete for domestic cup

So far we have:

1. Failed to win a CL game
2. Rags are doing better than expected but we are at times awful and worse than last year where we should have improved we are not competeing
3. LC gone.. FA Cup we'll see.

If we win the FA Cup then fair enough I'd say we have to give him more time but failing that then our embarassing CL and displays in the league have to be taken into consideration. So does the fact that we have had 4 of the most sought after strikers in Europe on our books and they are not playing as well as they should have or in Balotellis case gone. None of it has improved this year.

[zuricity]

It's ridiculous to compare Pearce with Mancini. He had thruppence ha'lpenny to spend. In hindsight it was a remarkable achievement to stay up with that squad.

you don't have a problem with Hughes though do you ? stop being selective. i could have named a variety of failures at City.

We managed to survive the stupidity of the Hughes years and purchases and still win the league.

Those over at the swamp have been infiltrating everywhere for years .

Four games from the end, if we are still so far behind i'll concede the title to them.

I still think of all the names that have been bandied around we still have the right manager.

[Blue Since 76]

you don't have a problem with Hughes though do you ? stop being selective. i could have named a variety of failures at City.

We managed to survive the stupidity of the Hughes years and purchases and still win the league.

Those over at the swamp have been infiltrating everywhere for years .

Four games from the end, if we are still so far behind i'll concede the title to them.

I still think of all the names that have been bandied around we still have the right manager.

Had you heard of Wenger before he went to Arsenal? I hadn't and neither had most people in England, including journalists.

Just because English fans watching mainly English games can't think of an ideal replacement doesn't mean we should stick with Mancini. Or get rid.

Any new manager would be a gamble. We've seen before that managers coming in don't understand how to win in the premier league. Someone with PL experience would therefore be an advantage but how many of them are there who have proven themselves capable of winning something? Moyes was mentioned today, but he's not won anything. Maybe he's not had the money to win the league, but surely he could have won one of the cups? He or similar managers would therefore be a big risk.

Personally, I think Mancini's European record for all his clubs shows he's not at the top level of coaches. And I do think we could find a better coach, certainly for the European games. Whether or not they'd be a success in the PL is a gamble. Who that person is, no idea.