Anyone got Moureens number?

[MaineRoadMemories]

If RVP has another season like this year and last year in 2013/14 then it doesn't matter who the manager is we won't catch United. He's a machine that wins so many games and is the only real difference between us and them.

[wolfcity]

I'd like to see Mourinho return to the Premiership one day because he'll liven it up but am genuinely indifferent to his arrival at City. The project we have in place is a long term one and he has no record of being anywhere on a long term basis. It'll be frustrating having to find a replacement after he leaves within 3 seasons. His record would almost guarantee success but, for the good of the greater good, I think he's one to avoid overall.

[zuricity]

Had you heard of Wenger before he went to Arsenal? I hadn't and neither had most people in England, including journalists.

Just because English fans watching mainly English games can't think of an ideal replacement doesn't mean we should stick with Mancini. Or get rid.

Any new manager would be a gamble. We've seen before that managers coming in don't understand how to win in the premier league. Someone with PL experience would therefore be an advantage but how many of them are there who have proven themselves capable of winning something? Moyes was mentioned today, but he's not won anything. Maybe he's not had the money to win the league, but surely he could have won one of the cups? He or similar managers would therefore be a big risk.

Personally, I think Mancini's European record for all his clubs shows he's not at the top level of coaches. And I do think we could find a better coach, certainly for the European games. Whether or not they'd be a success in the PL is a gamble. Who that person is, no idea.

Yes i had heard of Wenger , so what ? Only one team, mainly those of the small inner circle of the g14 wins the CL each season. Of the managers in Europe that have won the CL they haven't hung around long in the PL. Wenger is actually a bad example because he inherited a good team and did win something . However since he started building his own team , seven years now, he's not won anything. Coming second isn't good enough

[ross.mcfc]

This board should be shut down for 12 hours after a bad defeat. The amount of knee jerk reactions are unreal.

I am not a big Mancini fan, I believe we won the league last year despite him not because of him but he still won it.

However, I fail to see how he is to blame for his left back forgetting how to defend, one of the best keepers in the world dropping a clanger and one of the worst own goals from a normally solid player is his fault.

Is there an obvious replacement? No. Mourinho wants the United job and cannot go anywhere near us.

This will be the first sesaon where Bob fails to meet the targets set for him, Three good seasons should not be forgotten because of one bad one. A bad season that may still see us qualify for the CL comfortably, finish runners up and win a trophy.

Get a grip folks. We do not have define right to win everything.

United got RVP and made them a much better team, we wanted him but he did not want to come. How is that Mancini's fault? Without RVP at United we would still be in a with a very good shout of winning the league.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

you don't have a problem with Hughes though do you ? stop being selective. i could have named a variety of failures at City.

We managed to survive the stupidity of the Hughes years and purchases and still win the league.

Those over at the swamp have been infiltrating everywhere for years .

Four games from the end, if we are still so far behind i'll concede the title to them.

I still think of all the names that have been bandied around we still have the right manager.

You could name a variety of failures at City but only Hughes had the resources available to him that Bob has, so to do so would be pointless.
Who knows what Hughes would or wouldn't have achieved. He may well have won that second leg of the cup semi at the swamp and made fourth place that season instead of shitting out at Arsenal. We'll never know because the decision was made to bin him. And lets not forget that Hughes's "stupid" purchases included Vincent, Zabba and Carlito. Or are you being selective ?

[john68]

Piccs,
I truly understand your frustration with what is happening at City this season mate. I feel the same but it is far too simplistic just to lump all the blame on Mancini. There are many things happening at our club, causing massive changes and problems that directly affect the direction the club is moving in and impact on Mancini's job.

First, your misconception that City have pots of money. NOT TRUE MATE. We are far from potless but the clubs chosen policy of compliance with the FFPR has meant that if not quite firmly shut, the wallet has been temporarily pocketed and the room for financial manoeuvering severely restricted if not quite curtailed. Any new manager would be subject to those same conditions.

Your argument to sack Mancini maybe ultimately prove right but to suggest as have done that we should sack him and then find someone out there in the world of football doesn't stack up Pal. It follows the time honoured path of most other demolition fans who want to destroy but because it's not their responsibility to replace, give it little thought. We cannot sack unless any replacement is an improvement.

You must also take into consideration that any new manager will be working to the design and under the control of our owners and controllers. Much like Barca, where there is a set style and a policy of play that any prospective Barca coach has to adhere to, the same now applies at City. Gone are the days when a new manager came in and everything became changed in his new image. Today, a new manager would be a coach and sing City's already written song.

I can see Mr Maureen dancing to that tune,can you?

I'm not suggesting sack him then look about. I'm saying that we have a whole world of football to choose from, with very few managers off limits. Of course we can find somebody who is an improvement.

Sorry Roger Mate, but you have been chasing Mancini's arse for quite a while now and always given the impression that it should be done sooner rather later.
Let's hit a bit of reality here. You want him out, sooner rather than later, but you have no idea who you want to replace him. You want to keep Mancini hanging around causing further damage, while you check out the world of football and then give him the push?

Come on Mate...cake and ha'penny spring to mind.

Simple questions
In?
Out?
Who?
Timescale?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Simple questions
In?
Out?
Who?
Timescale?

I think those questions should be answered in any "Mancini out" post. I may not agree but at least I'd give it benefit of doubt.

Now I like, no make that love, Mancini as a manager and given time I think he will take us to further heights. This season has been a step back but so far Mancini has showed that he has learned from every single step back he has ever taken. However, if someone could at least make reasonable case for someone else, someone who would realistically be available and has pedigree to match (I was almost going to say exceed Mancini's pedigree and then realised that apart from Jose and Taggart you are hard pushed to find more succesfull manager in Europe..... food for thought, eh?) Mancini's, I would at least have to listen.

It's easy to just say "I think we should be winning every game" but it's whole another thing finding someone who can do that.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I think those questions should be answered in any "Mancini out" post. I may not agree but at least I'd give it benefit of doubt.

Now I like, no make that love, Mancini as a manager and given time I think he will take us to further heights. This season has been a step back but so far Mancini has showed that he has learned from every single step back he has ever taken. However, if someone could at least make reasonable case for someone else, someone who would realistically be available and has pedigree to match (I was almost going to say exceed Mancini's pedigree and then realised that apart from Jose and Taggart you are hard pushed to find more succesfull manager in Europe..... food for thought, eh?) Mancini's, I would at least have to listen.

It's easy to just say "I think we should be winning every game" but it's whole another thing finding someone who can do that.

Mancini still hasn't learnt how to successfully break inferior teams down since the problem surfaced last January. You may think he is absolutely super but you are giving him credit for powers he has not got.
Nor has he figured out Europe after several attempts.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I think those questions should be answered in any "Mancini out" post. I may not agree but at least I'd give it benefit of doubt.

Now I like, no make that love, Mancini as a manager and given time I think he will take us to further heights. This season has been a step back but so far Mancini has showed that he has learned from every single step back he has ever taken. However, if someone could at least make reasonable case for someone else, someone who would realistically be available and has pedigree to match (I was almost going to say exceed Mancini's pedigree and then realised that apart from Jose and Taggart you are hard pushed to find more succesfull manager in Europe..... food for thought, eh?) Mancini's, I would at least have to listen.

It's easy to just say "I think we should be winning every game" but it's whole another thing finding someone who can do that.

Mancini still hasn't learnt how to successfully break inferior teams down since the problem surfaced last January. You may think he is absolutely super but you are giving him credit for powers he has not got.
Nor has he figured out Europe after several attempts.

I have a problem with using the word "inferior" about our Premier League rivals. In fact, it's that arrogance that may have been our downfall this year. Football is not played in paper.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I have a problem with using the word "inferior" about our Premier League rivals. In fact, it's that arrogance that may have been our downfall this year. Football is not played in paper.

Oh give over. It is not unreasonable to consider bottom five or even mid table sides inferior. What are you on about?

[Dunnylad]

It has been a very disappointing season, when I would have hoped we'd have kicked on & won the league in style. As that Telegraph article indicates that was partly due to poor player recruitment - it didn't so much as freshen the side as take us backwards. Those last minute signings were so late it was almost pointless signing them as without a pre-season they were always going to struggle to integrate.

However, for all Mancini's faults sacking him would be a mistake. FFP is starting to dictate how & who we can sign players & I think we'll have to see a 1 in 1 out principle, with ironically younger players filling the bench - not out of choice but necessity. I'd be shocked if we had a spending splurge (although Mario, Bridge, RSC etc does allow some wriggle room) & will have to shuffle the pack a little, but it will be Mancini's pack.

I've said it before, but the rest of the League need to reflect on how none if them have even come close to challenging united - we simply can't do this on our own, but everyone else seems incapable or unwilling to help us.

[Im_Spartacus]

I have a problem with using the word "inferior" about our Premier League rivals. In fact, it's that arrogance that may have been our downfall this year. Football is not played in paper.

So if they arent inferior, that would suggest they are equals, which in terms of playing staff, they clearly arent. How would you have us refer to our opponents with inferior playing squads?

Stop splitting hairs and maybe explain how he has figured out how to break "equal but inferior" teams down. And his record of perennial capitulation in Europe.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Simple questions
In?
Out?
Who?
Timescale?

I think those questions should be answered in any "Mancini out" post. I may not agree but at least I'd give it benefit of doubt.

Now I like, no make that love, Mancini as a manager and given time I think he will take us to further heights. This season has been a step back but so far Mancini has showed that he has learned from every single step back he has ever taken. However, if someone could at least make reasonable case for someone else, someone who would realistically be available and has pedigree to match (I was almost going to say exceed Mancini's pedigree and then realised that apart from Jose and Taggart you are hard pushed to find more succesfull manager in Europe..... food for thought, eh?) Mancini's, I would at least have to listen.

It's easy to just say "I think we should be winning every game" but it's whole another thing finding someone who can do that.

It really is a bit of a desperate argument to say who are we going to get? That doesn't and can't mean you stick with something that isn't working.
You then go on to say that a pedigree to match or better Mancini is vital, and of the two people you name, one is the very person this thread is about. You've sort of answered your own conundrum there. Now that is food for thought. And you can find a lot of managers with a better pedigree in European competition than Bob. Or doesn't the Champions League matter?

But this 'track record' bit is very unfair I'd suggest. In this country the title (and the FA Cup for that matter) has been dominated by Filth, Arse and subsequently Chelsea. That's been the way since the inception of the Premier league. Two of them have had their managers for donkey's years and although Chelsea have been through a fistful of managers, it gives very few managers a genuine opportunity to create a winning 'track record' Does that mean that all the other managers are rubbish and should never be considered? They can't all be wank can they? I wonder how the managers would perform if say Martinez at Wigan swapped with Mancini. Do you think Bob would sweep all before him for the pie eaters? Or that Martinez couldn't bring success with his flowing football style executed by better class players, (dare I say "superior"?) Laudrup at Swansea couldn't get a team of top class pros oozing some of the classy football that he has achieved on a budget, but Wenger could bring a trophy haul to the valleys if they exchanged positions? It would be interesting wouldn't it. I wouldn't bet who would perform better. These guys need a chance in the first place before they can get a pedigree.
Make no mistake about it, three and a half years on, this is Mancini's team, built with his ideas and ethos, and it looks a right fucking dogs breakfast.
It's not Hughes's fault, nor Platt's, nor Marwood's, nor Cook's. Look closer to home for the culprit.

As an aside Bob's failure in Europe, is costing us money on the balance sheet, which it seems is where the transfer budget is coming from now. And that is his fault too, and it's hurting the club.

Oh and I don't think we should be winning every game (it would be nice) but I'm certainly not alone in expecting our season not to unravel so early and with such dispiriting performances. Most thought it would be better than this.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I have a problem with using the word "inferior" about our Premier League rivals. In fact, it's that arrogance that may have been our downfall this year. Football is not played in paper.

So if they arent inferior, that would suggest they are equals, which in terms of playing staff, they clearly arent. How would you have us refer to our opponents with inferior playing squads?

Stop splitting hairs and maybe explain how he has figured out how to break "equal but inferior" teams down. And his record of perennial capitulation in Europe.

League title would indicate that he has some sort of idea how to break down "inferior" teams. As would our number two spot in league table.

Can't make any excuses for his form in Europe though.

It seems that you and Piccs are sidestepping the main discussion though. While both of you are screaming for Mancini's head, does either of you have any sensible replacement options? Someone who is guaranteed to do better.

[Im_Spartacus]

League title would indicate that he has some sort of idea how to break down "inferior" teams. As would our number two spot in league table.

Can't make any excuses for his form in Europe though.

It seems that you and Piccs are sidestepping the main discussion though. While both of you are screaming for Mancini's head, does either of you have any sensible replacement options? Someone who is guaranteed to do better.

As piccs has said, nobody is guaranteed to do better. But there are many many managers out there who I feel could do far better with this squad of players. i said jokingly the other day Warnock, but whilst that would be my worst nightmare, in reality he would motivate the players a bloody site better than bobby seems to do, and he would also not overcomplicate the tactics which I think we are also guilty of.

Many managers have been sacked for less, and whilst I disagree with things like the sacking of Di Matteo who really did deserve a chance, Mancini has built his team, he has had it developed over 3.5 years, yet here we are, bottom of the champions league group, out of the league cup in the first round, and out of the title race by February to a team who are, player for player, no better than us.

My main issue is his seeming inability to actually manage rather than just perennially wanting to throw money at the problem. I dont doubt his methods are somewhat effective, but I just look at this group of players and think that we could be doing so much better if someone could get some fire in their belly week in week out.

Above all, whilst this will be the owners' call, remember that Mancini himself said that he would have been sacked had city not won the league last season. Sacked for losing the league on goal difference would have been fucking harsh, even though my view was he totally blew it between December and March and got a lucky escape in the end, but for a club with our squad and aspirations, sacked for being bottom of the champs league group, out of the first round of the league cup, and out of the title race by the second week in February sounds fairly reasonable to me.

And these views are not a product of recent results, its a longstanding view taken from watching his teams from day 1 of his appointment, with the exception of a little blip in autumn 2011 when he produced a spectacular team which withered in front of our eyes as managers worked him out.....and he still hasnt gotten over than setback

I just think we need things shaking up, to reinvigorate some life into these players, and I just dont feel Mancini is the man to do it.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I have a problem with using the word "inferior" about our Premier League rivals. In fact, it's that arrogance that may have been our downfall this year. Football is not played in paper.

So if they arent inferior, that would suggest they are equals, which in terms of playing staff, they clearly arent. How would you have us refer to our opponents with inferior playing squads?

Stop splitting hairs and maybe explain how he has figured out how to break "equal but inferior" teams down. And his record of perennial capitulation in Europe.

League title would indicate that he has some sort of idea how to break down "inferior" teams. As would our number two spot in league table.

Can't make any excuses for his form in Europe though.

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It seems that you and Piccs are sidestepping the main discussion though. While both of you are screaming for Mancini's head, does either of you have any sensible replacement options? Someone who is guaranteed to do better.

Niall's. You will be like one of those Gooners who still keep the blinkers on after years of fuck all. "In Arsene we trust". Even when it is fucked up you will persist in your "I love Bob, and who else is there?" mode

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

>>>>League title would indicate that he has some sort of idea how to break down "inferior" teams. As would our number two spot in league table


Our last two away performances say different.

[Blue Since 76]

However, for all Mancini's faults sacking him would be a mistake. FFP is starting to dictate how & who we can sign players & I think we'll have to see a 1 in 1 out principle, with ironically younger players filling the bench - not out of choice but necessity. I'd be shocked if we had a spending splurge (although Mario, Bridge, RSC etc does allow some wriggle room) & will have to shuffle the pack a little, but it will be Mancini's pack.

I think the above is actually a perfect reason to get rid of him. Mancini has shown little ability to get more out of players and his usual response is 'buy me better ones'. FFP will mean that we need someone who can bring players in for a reasonable cost, improve them and potentially sell them at a profit and start again whilst at the same time winning things. I'm not convinced Bob is the man for that model. I'd also add that Mourinho isn't either. He's great at getting the most out of his expensively assembled team, but I'm not sure he'd cope if you told him to make do with what he had.

[lets all have a disco]

I think Mancini should stay and sort this mess out.

The only way i would sack him is IF we finish outside of the top four and if by next winter were still shit i'd then bin him off.

[Blue Since 76]

I think Mancini should stay and sort this mess out.

That makes him sounds like a kid who's just made a mess in the house.

I'm happy for him to stay and sort it out, however I suspect his answer would be that we need to spend another £100m in summer or it can't be done. That would be as prudent as giving money to bankers to get us out of the financial crisis.