The Best Centre-Back Pairing

[Ted Hughes]

I think you're doing him an injustice Ted, it seems you have a Carl like obsession with Nasty but keep trying to play it down like you dont. If he makes a mistake you seem quick to point it out however when he has a good game it's always his partner doing the hard work and him doing the easy stuff.

I think the fact that he rarely looks ruffled is testament to his ability, going unnoticed in a winning team is not always a bad thing. Especially when you're a 19 yo in the hardest league in the world (arguably).

The trouble with posts like this is; for a start I have nothing against him whatsoever & when the evidence is actually fresh & somebody could point out EXACTLY what they are referring to, nobody does.

Basically I am supposed to kiss this lads' arse, even if he doesn't play very well because that's the club trend on this subject.

That's fine for the players & manager, to build up his confidence etc.

This is a football discussion board. I've spelt out what I meant about him being 'unruffled' in games ie; if you don't particularly go out of your way to do anything, it's not hard to look 'unruffled'.

Did Kolo look 'unruffled' on Sunday ? Did he fuck. Was he doing more key defending than Nastasic ? Yes he was.

If he'd been 'unruffled' & unnoticed instead, would City have won ?

[london blue 2]

I think you're doing him an injustice Ted, it seems you have a Carl like obsession with Nasty but keep trying to play it down like you dont. If he makes a mistake you seem quick to point it out however when he has a good game it's always his partner doing the hard work and him doing the easy stuff.

I think the fact that he rarely looks ruffled is testament to his ability, going unnoticed in a winning team is not always a bad thing. Especially when you're a 19 yo in the hardest league in the world (arguably).

The trouble with posts like this is; for a start I have nothing against him whatsoever & when the evidence is actually fresh & somebody could point out EXACTLY what they are referring to, nobody does.

Basically I am supposed to kiss this lads' arse, even if he doesn't play very well because that's the club trend on this subject.

That's fine for the players & manager, to build up his confidence etc.

This is a football discussion board. I've spelt out what I meant about him being 'unruffled' in games ie; if you don't particularly go out of your way to do anything, it's not hard to look 'unruffled'.

Did Kolo look 'unruffled' on Sunday ? Did he fuck. Was he doing more key defending than Nastasic ? Yes he was.

If he'd been 'unruffled' & unnoticed instead, would City have won ?

You're talking shit. No one said that you have to kiss his arse. No one said that Nasty done more "key defending" than Kolo. I actually said Kolo had a flawless game (and got bereated for it).

You seem to think he goes hiding when in actual fact he's right there on the pitch, everyone else can see him and the good work (and sometimes bad) he does yet when someone says he's doing fantastic for a 19 yo you pipe up with your shit about key defending.

What's key is that there are two defenders out there contruibuting to a very good victory.

[Hazy2]

I think you're doing him an injustice Ted, it seems you have a Carl like obsession with Nasty but keep trying to play it down like you dont. If he makes a mistake you seem quick to point it out however when he has a good game it's always his partner doing the hard work and him doing the easy stuff.

I think the fact that he rarely looks ruffled is testament to his ability, going unnoticed in a winning team is not always a bad thing. Especially when you're a 19 yo in the hardest league in the world (arguably).

The trouble with posts like this is; for a start I have nothing against him whatsoever & when the evidence is actually fresh & somebody could point out EXACTLY what they are referring to, nobody does.

Basically I am supposed to kiss this lads' arse, even if he doesn't play very well because that's the club trend on this subject.

That's fine for the players & manager, to build up his confidence etc.

This is a football discussion board. I've spelt out what I meant about him being 'unruffled' in games ie; if you don't particularly go out of your way to do anything, it's not hard to look 'unruffled'.

Did Kolo look 'unruffled' on Sunday ? Did he fuck. Was he doing more key defending than Nastasic ? Yes he was.

If he'd been 'unruffled' & unnoticed instead, would City have won ?

You're talking shit. No one said that you have to kiss his arse. No one said that Nasty done more "key defending" than Kolo. I actually said Kolo had a flawless game (and got bereated for it).

You seem to think he goes hiding when in actual fact he's right there on the pitch, everyone else can see him and the good work (and sometimes bad) he does yet when someone says he's doing fantastic for a 19 yo you pipe up with your shit about key defending.

What's key is that there are two defenders out there contruibuting to a very good victory.

I think any 19yr old doing his job, keeping it simple at the level we are at has to be looked at as unique not many at his age looking so cool, Madini and Baresi did 20 yr at it in a Milan team full of show ponies winning every trophy on offer. Puyol does it now ex winger who plays football in the most dangerous area of the pitch gainsy faster and bigger players at the highest level how a kid is taught, take one touch and pass it to your mate, EEZ SIMPLES NO !

[Ted Hughes]

I think you're doing him an injustice Ted, it seems you have a Carl like obsession with Nasty but keep trying to play it down like you dont. If he makes a mistake you seem quick to point it out however when he has a good game it's always his partner doing the hard work and him doing the easy stuff.

I think the fact that he rarely looks ruffled is testament to his ability, going unnoticed in a winning team is not always a bad thing. Especially when you're a 19 yo in the hardest league in the world (arguably).

The trouble with posts like this is; for a start I have nothing against him whatsoever & when the evidence is actually fresh & somebody could point out EXACTLY what they are referring to, nobody does.

Basically I am supposed to kiss this lads' arse, even if he doesn't play very well because that's the club trend on this subject.

That's fine for the players & manager, to build up his confidence etc.

This is a football discussion board. I've spelt out what I meant about him being 'unruffled' in games ie; if you don't particularly go out of your way to do anything, it's not hard to look 'unruffled'.

Did Kolo look 'unruffled' on Sunday ? Did he fuck. Was he doing more key defending than Nastasic ? Yes he was.

If he'd been 'unruffled' & unnoticed instead, would City have won ?

You're talking shit. No one said that you have to kiss his arse. No one said that Nasty done more "key defending" than Kolo. I actually said Kolo had a flawless game (and got bereated for it).

You seem to think he goes hiding when in actual fact he's right there on the pitch, everyone else can see him and the good work (and sometimes bad) he does yet when someone says he's doing fantastic for a 19 yo you pipe up with your shit about key defending.

What's key is that there are two defenders out there contruibuting to a very good victory.

Are we supposed to fucking discuss football on here or not ?

I replied to someone else mentioning me in their post. they, like you, are suggesting I have decided on Nastasic, which I haven't.

So I clarified my position that I need to see more of the actual defending from Nastasic & gave an explaination as to what it is that I'm looking to see in his game, not some random 'I hate the cunt' mindless shite, but a detailed reasoned explaination of what I'm looking for & what, imo, you lot will all be screaming for when you stop the '19 year old' bollocks & realise he's playing for the champions.

Your reply was that I'm obsessed.

Basically, I'm supposed to just pretend I haven't seen what I thiink I've seen & not have an opinion on it & just agree with what some of you think.

If i did that, I would call it arse kissing.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Nasty is the preferred choice by Mancini and quite rightly so as Nasty is BETTER overall than Lescott.

Thank fuck the manager agrees with this and we do not have to see a one dimensional fucking defender week in and week out.

[Ted Hughes]

I think you're doing him an injustice Ted, it seems you have a Carl like obsession with Nasty but keep trying to play it down like you dont. If he makes a mistake you seem quick to point it out however when he has a good game it's always his partner doing the hard work and him doing the easy stuff.

I think the fact that he rarely looks ruffled is testament to his ability, going unnoticed in a winning team is not always a bad thing. Especially when you're a 19 yo in the hardest league in the world (arguably).

The trouble with posts like this is; for a start I have nothing against him whatsoever & when the evidence is actually fresh & somebody could point out EXACTLY what they are referring to, nobody does.

Basically I am supposed to kiss this lads' arse, even if he doesn't play very well because that's the club trend on this subject.

That's fine for the players & manager, to build up his confidence etc.

This is a football discussion board. I've spelt out what I meant about him being 'unruffled' in games ie; if you don't particularly go out of your way to do anything, it's not hard to look 'unruffled'.

Did Kolo look 'unruffled' on Sunday ? Did he fuck. Was he doing more key defending than Nastasic ? Yes he was.

If he'd been 'unruffled' & unnoticed instead, would City have won ?

You're talking shit. No one said that you have to kiss his arse. No one said that Nasty done more "key defending" than Kolo. I actually said Kolo had a flawless game (and got bereated for it).

You seem to think he goes hiding when in actual fact he's right there on the pitch, everyone else can see him and the good work (and sometimes bad) he does yet when someone says he's doing fantastic for a 19 yo you pipe up with your shit about key defending.

What's key is that there are two defenders out there contruibuting to a very good victory.

I think any 19yr old doing his job, keeping it simple at the level we are at has to be looked at as unique not many at his age looking so cool, Madini and Baresi did 20 yr at it in a Milan team full of show ponies winning every trophy on offer. Puyol does it now ex winger who plays football in the most dangerous area of the pitch gainsy faster and bigger players at the highest level how a kid is taught, take one touch and pass it to your mate, EEZ SIMPLES NO !

What Puyol does is defends lika a fucking monster from hell & is exactly what Nastasic doesn't do at this time & exactly what I was spelling out that I want to see Nastasic do.

Kolo Toure defended like Puyol, Nastasic defended like a promising kid stood nearby & getting in an occasional nice interception. I want to see him flying in stopping a goal when Kolo fucks up, or blocking a shot with his face etc etc.

That's what Puyol, Kolo, Lescott, Vinny, Micah, Vidic, & all of the title winning sides have as cb.

I want to see the evidence that he can one day do it. So far there is none.

[Ted Hughes]

Nasty is the preferred choice by Mancini and quite rightly so as Nasty is BETTER overall than Lescott.

Thank fuck the manager agrees with this and we do not have to see a one dimensional fucking defender week in and week out.

The one dimension is the defending bit though.

Always a useful dimension to have as a defender.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Nasty is the preferred choice by Mancini and quite rightly so as Nasty is BETTER overall than Lescott.

Thank fuck the manager agrees with this and we do not have to see a one dimensional fucking defender week in and week out.

The one dimension is the defending bit though.

Always a useful dimension to have as a defender.

Nasty is proving to be a better defender than Lescott and Ill stick by that statement - once again , Mancini seems to agree as he puts him on instead of Lescott.

Think about it .

[london blue 2]

I think you're doing him an injustice Ted, it seems you have a Carl like obsession with Nasty but keep trying to play it down like you dont. If he makes a mistake you seem quick to point it out however when he has a good game it's always his partner doing the hard work and him doing the easy stuff.

I think the fact that he rarely looks ruffled is testament to his ability, going unnoticed in a winning team is not always a bad thing. Especially when you're a 19 yo in the hardest league in the world (arguably).

The trouble with posts like this is; for a start I have nothing against him whatsoever & when the evidence is actually fresh & somebody could point out EXACTLY what they are referring to, nobody does.

Basically I am supposed to kiss this lads' arse, even if he doesn't play very well because that's the club trend on this subject.

That's fine for the players & manager, to build up his confidence etc.

This is a football discussion board. I've spelt out what I meant about him being 'unruffled' in games ie; if you don't particularly go out of your way to do anything, it's not hard to look 'unruffled'.

Did Kolo look 'unruffled' on Sunday ? Did he fuck. Was he doing more key defending than Nastasic ? Yes he was.

If he'd been 'unruffled' & unnoticed instead, would City have won ?

You're talking shit. No one said that you have to kiss his arse. No one said that Nasty done more "key defending" than Kolo. I actually said Kolo had a flawless game (and got bereated for it).

You seem to think he goes hiding when in actual fact he's right there on the pitch, everyone else can see him and the good work (and sometimes bad) he does yet when someone says he's doing fantastic for a 19 yo you pipe up with your shit about key defending.

What's key is that there are two defenders out there contruibuting to a very good victory.

Are we supposed to fucking discuss football on here or not ?

I replied to someone else mentioning me in their post. they, like you, are suggesting I have decided on Nastasic, which I haven't.

So I clarified my position that I need to see more of the actual defending from Nastasic & gave an explaination as to what it is that I'm looking to see in his game, not some random 'I hate the cunt' mindless shite, but a detailed reasoned explaination of what I'm looking for & what, imo, you lot will all be screaming for when you stop the '19 year old' bollocks & realise he's playing for the champions.

Your reply was that I'm obsessed.

Basically, I'm supposed to just pretend I haven't seen what I thiink I've seen & not have an opinion on it & just agree with what some of you think.

If i did that, I would call it arse kissing.

I dunno why Nasty has to pass the Ted test before you pass judgement. He's played 23 games for us this season, how many more does he need for you to decide if he's passed?

Sorry for swearing.

Edit: you mentioned Vidic as a comparison yet Vidic would be more comparable to the "monster" (last ditch everything on the line) defender kolo/lescott/vinny whilst nasty would be more comparable to Wio (cleaning up and doing the cool work). If it works its bloody effective.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I haven't got an evaluation of his potential

Really? REALLY?

From the Leeds match-thread, also known as something I did not have to look hard for to find.

"Nastasic is more creative with the ball than Lescott & has a better first touch but also more careless, however that should sort itself out in the future. He is not very quick though & nowhere even in the same league as Lescott in the air. For all the improvements to his game he could make & possibly will make, it is unlikely he will ever make that one."

You have so made an evaluation of his potential. You can argue back and forward and say well I also said this, and then I said that, but nonetheless, you've made it. Don't tell me I don't know my mancityfans.net

[Ted Hughes]

Nasty is the preferred choice by Mancini and quite rightly so as Nasty is BETTER overall than Lescott.

Thank fuck the manager agrees with this and we do not have to see a one dimensional fucking defender week in and week out.

The one dimension is the defending bit though.

Always a useful dimension to have as a defender.

Nasty is proving to be a better defender than Lescott and Ill stick by that statement - once again , Mancini seems to agree as he puts him on instead of Lescott.

Think about it .

I think he plays him purely because he sees him as a quicker passer.

I very much doubt he sees him as a better defender.

But this goes back to my 'obsession' again. Someone tells me Nastasic is a better defender I go 'ok lets compare each incident game by game'.

I mentioned two or three terrible bits of defending by Nasti v Villa & people just say it's because I've got it in for him.

I have rarely picked out individual stuff since as nobody is interested in actual details but I could go back to his 8 out of 10 rated game v Chelsea & find quite a few even there.

Lescott by contrast has made very few & every single one is pointed out by a squad including your good self & even by Mancini.

If Lescott goes, as seems likely, I recon this place will have a very different opinion of Nastasic by this time next season, if Bob doesn't sign a proper cb.

When the 19 bollocks wears off & people realise he is being picked as a starter not as a kid.

[Hazy2]

Puyol is fired up for tonight agreed, but most of the time take a touch and give it to player keep it simple no diving in and no dirty boots or shorts, daniel van buyten, Had us all drooling with his give me the ball you idiot, in his loan spell. Read the game nick the ball pass it on. You Ted miss it, that is more to do with a lack of something at your end without being rude mate, Lescott is like a Martini fuckl up any time any place anywhere. Top player and all round great person as good as Nasty NO.

[london blue 2]

I would like to point out that I think Lescott is an excellent defender and the better defender of the two. My point was that Ted, you seem to be very reluctant to praise the player everytime the oppotunity arises.

He's doing very very well in my opinon and is a better fit into our team than Julian.

And did anyone mention he's only 19!

[Hazy2]

Shaw is another Kid I would have Now another Lham that Kid

[Ted Hughes]

I haven't got an evaluation of his potential

Really? REALLY?

From the Leeds match-thread, also known as something I did not have to look hard for to find.

"Nastasic is more creative with the ball than Lescott & has a better first touch but also more careless, however that should sort itself out in the future. He is not very quick though & nowhere even in the same league as Lescott in the air. For all the improvements to his game he could make & possibly will make, it is unlikely he will ever make that one."

You have so made an evaluation of his potential. You can argue back and forward and say well I also said this, and then I said that, but nonetheless, you've made it. Don't tell me I don't know my mancityfans.net

'nowhere even in the same league as Lescott in the air. For all the improvements to his game he could make & possibly will make, it is unlikely he will ever make that one."

I stand by that you fucking prune. I DON'T THINK NASTASIC WILL EVER BE AS GOOD AS LESCOTT IN THE AIR.

Does that mean I know for sure he will never be better defending than Lescott on the ground ?

NO IT DOESN'T.

Do I think he will one day be better at defending on the ground than Lescott ?

YES I DO.

Does that mean I'm sure he will make it as a Prem cb ?

NO IT DOESN'T.

Does it mean I haven't evaluated him yet & need to see certain things before I am convinced one way or the other AS I SAID IN FUCKING DETAIL IN THE POST YOU SELECTIVELY EDITED ?

YES IT DOES.

Stop trying to be a smartarse & try actually discussing football.

[Ted Hughes]

I would like to point out that I think Lescott is an excellent defender and the better defender of the two. My point was that Ted, you seem to be very reluctant to praise the player everytime the oppotunity arises.

He's doing very very well in my opinon and is a better fit into our team than Julian.

And did anyone mention he's only 19!

I praised him all over the place on Sunday.

Then I saw the video & realised Garcia had been stepping into Nastasic's position doing his job for him & from the other end it looked like Nasti.

By contrast, Nasti did a couple of classy interceptions when City were on top & when Chelsea had a go; disappeared. Kolo & Garcia by contrast; appeared.

I need to see Nastasic 'appear' in those situations. Micah did at a younger age; when the shit hit the fan AND IT DID in those days, he was there alongside Dunne etc 'muck n nettles'.

Nastasic has not shown me much of that so far. Looking cool when the house is on fire does not especially impress me unless you are pissing on the flames.

[Ted Hughes]

Puyol is fired up for tonight agreed, but most of the time take a touch and give it to player keep it simple no diving in and no dirty boots or shorts, daniel van buyten, Had us all drooling with his give me the ball you idiot, in his loan spell. Read the game nick the ball pass it on. You Ted miss it, that is more to do with a lack of something at your end without being rude mate, Lescott is like a Martini fuckl up any time any place anywhere. Top player and all round great person as good as Nasty NO.

Van Buyten was twice as good as Nastasic & kind of highlights my concerns; Nasti will never be that powerful & has to find a way to compensate.

Lescott is a much better Premier League defender than Van Buyten was though. The general opinion of VB was that he was great in a 3 but dodgy in a 2.

Puyol is regularly fired up btw, & I don't 'miss' anything, I just don't agree.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I haven't got an evaluation of his potential

Really? REALLY?

From the Leeds match-thread, also known as something I did not have to look hard for to find.

"Nastasic is more creative with the ball than Lescott & has a better first touch but also more careless, however that should sort itself out in the future. He is not very quick though & nowhere even in the same league as Lescott in the air. For all the improvements to his game he could make & possibly will make, it is unlikely he will ever make that one."

You have so made an evaluation of his potential. You can argue back and forward and say well I also said this, and then I said that, but nonetheless, you've made it. Don't tell me I don't know my mancityfans.net

'nowhere even in the same league as Lescott in the air. For all the improvements to his game he could make & possibly will make, it is unlikely he will ever make that one."

I stand by that you fucking prune. I DON'T THINK NASTASIC WILL EVER BE AS GOOD AS LESCOTT IN THE AIR.

Does that mean I know for sure he will never be better defending than Lescott on the ground ?

NO IT DOESN'T.

Do I think he will one day be better at defending on the ground than Lescott ?

YES I DO.

Does that mean I'm sure he will make it as a Prem cb ?

NO IT DOESN'T.

Does it mean I haven't evaluated him yet & need to see certain things before I am convinced one way or the other AS I SAID IN FUCKING DETAIL IN THE POST YOU SELECTIVELY EDITED ?

YES IT DOES.

Stop trying to be a smartarse & try actually discussing football.

You can use Caps Lock as much as you want Ted, you still made the evaluation. And now you've gone and made several. And please, the "start discussing fotball"-card is getting tiresome, as it's pretty obvious you only play it when someone disagrees with you or point out the giant gaping holes in your arguments.

Here are some other quotes from that same thread about the abilities of our great Nasty

"He will never ever be the prospect Lake for instance was though as a defender or a footballer & THAT is the level we should be looking for imo if we want a 'footballing' defender to replace Lescott. Genuine pace & skill."

Perhaps he's not no, but you've more or less said that he'll never be as good as what we should aim for.

This is the entire quote "Nastasic is more creative with the ball than Lescott & has a better first touch but also more careless, however that should sort itself out in the future. He is not very quick though & nowhere even in the same league as Lescott in the air. For all the improvements to his game he could make & possibly will make, it is unlikely he will ever make that one."

So in this qoute you're basically saying he can play football, when you cpompare the defending aspects he'll never make it.



While where at it, here's another beauty: "How many other examples of great defending can you think of, or key defending ? I've barely ever seen Nastasic do anything which I would consider an especially difficult interception or header. By contrast, I've seen him left for dead or murdered in the air or fail to pick up an atacker on many occasions."

Yeah that really seems like an apt and compromising evaluation of him. He's a passanger to our team. Yeah.

And this one, about anyone in the entire world who doesn't agree with you on Lescott: "
That's the main thing people judge Lescott on; what he looks like.

They think he's going to make a mistake so they get home after the match & remember the game as if he has, or almost have an orgasm when he does actually fuck up because they've been waiting so long for it to happen, sometimes several games. Meanwhile, the blokes around him actually do give the ball away in their own half (as Nasti did v Leeds several times) & nobody cares."

Exactly. Anyone who doesn't like Lescott and dares to disagree with you almost have an orgasm and take pleasure and joy in the fact that their team is put in a difficult situation.

And you complain about people not talking about football. Remarkable.

[london blue 2]

*quietly backs out of discussion and opens popcorn*

[Ted Hughes]

I haven't got an evaluation of his potential

Really? REALLY?

From the Leeds match-thread, also known as something I did not have to look hard for to find.

"Nastasic is more creative with the ball than Lescott & has a better first touch but also more careless, however that should sort itself out in the future. He is not very quick though & nowhere even in the same league as Lescott in the air. For all the improvements to his game he could make & possibly will make, it is unlikely he will ever make that one."

You have so made an evaluation of his potential. You can argue back and forward and say well I also said this, and then I said that, but nonetheless, you've made it. Don't tell me I don't know my mancityfans.net

'nowhere even in the same league as Lescott in the air. For all the improvements to his game he could make & possibly will make, it is unlikely he will ever make that one."

I stand by that you fucking prune. I DON'T THINK NASTASIC WILL EVER BE AS GOOD AS LESCOTT IN THE AIR.

Does that mean I know for sure he will never be better defending than Lescott on the ground ?

NO IT DOESN'T.

Do I think he will one day be better at defending on the ground than Lescott ?

YES I DO.

Does that mean I'm sure he will make it as a Prem cb ?

NO IT DOESN'T.

Does it mean I haven't evaluated him yet & need to see certain things before I am convinced one way or the other AS I SAID IN FUCKING DETAIL IN THE POST YOU SELECTIVELY EDITED ?

YES IT DOES.

Stop trying to be a smartarse & try actually discussing football.

You can use Caps Lock as much as you want Ted, you still made the evaluation. And now you've gone and made several. And please, the "start discussing fotball"-card is getting tiresome, as it's pretty obvious you only play it when someone disagrees with you or point out the giant gaping holes in your arguments.

Here are some other quotes from that same thread about the abilities of our great Nasty

"He will never ever be the prospect Lake for instance was though as a defender or a footballer & THAT is the level we should be looking for imo if we want a 'footballing' defender to replace Lescott. Genuine pace & skill."

Perhaps he's not no, but you've more or less said that he'll never be as good as what we should aim for.

This is the entire quote "Nastasic is more creative with the ball than Lescott & has a better first touch but also more careless, however that should sort itself out in the future. He is not very quick though & nowhere even in the same league as Lescott in the air. For all the improvements to his game he could make & possibly will make, it is unlikely he will ever make that one."

So in this qoute you're basically saying he can play football, when you cpompare the defending aspects he'll never make it.



While where at it, here's another beauty: "How many other examples of great defending can you think of, or key defending ? I've barely ever seen Nastasic do anything which I would consider an especially difficult interception or header. By contrast, I've seen him left for dead or murdered in the air or fail to pick up an atacker on many occasions."

Yeah that really seems like an apt and compromising evaluation of him. He's a passanger to our team. Yeah.

And this one, about anyone in the entire world who doesn't agree with you on Lescott: "
That's the main thing people judge Lescott on; what he looks like.

They think he's going to make a mistake so they get home after the match & remember the game as if he has, or almost have an orgasm when he does actually fuck up because they've been waiting so long for it to happen, sometimes several games. Meanwhile, the blokes around him actually do give the ball away in their own half (as Nasti did v Leeds several times) & nobody cares."

Exactly. Anyone who doesn't like Lescott and dares to disagree with you almost have an orgasm and take pleasure and joy in the fact that their team is put in a difficult situation.

And you complain about people not talking about football. Remarkable.

I've repeated pretty much all of those criticisms in the post you selectively edited.

What the fuck is the matter with you trawling through stuff of mine looking for an angle?

I stand by everything I say there & it's perfectly in agreement with what I'm saying now, absolutely 100% in agreement.

I keep using the words 'so far' with Nastasic.

'So far' I think he's neat & tidy, poor under pressure & no more than decent on the ball.

HE WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS PAUL LAKE. Imo.

Do I think we should be aiming that high ?

YES I DO.

Do I think Nastasic will be a Pl cb? POSSIBLY BUT I'M NOT SURE.

Do I think he could become a top cb? POSSIBLY BUT I'M LESS SURE.

Do I genuinely think people judge Lescott often on the fact he looks uncomfortable rather than what he actually produces ?

YES I DO.

Once again you are posting about my opinion rather than the subject of football.

Do you have any opinions on football or are you just here to vet people ?

(Paul Lake btw was an exceptional young player back in the days when you were supporting someone else), ask some City fans & they will explain why he was different to Nastasic (clue: he could also play both fullbacks, all accross midfield, and centre forward).

And finally:

Fuck off.