Grobarisation soon to arrive ?

[Ted Hughes]

What I'm saying is that you are clutching at straws in thinking the European Court would have any interest in this whatsoever.

Utd's former solicitor, Maurice Watkins disagrees with you.

Also the so called 'support' that the EU gave to this turned out to be no such thing & is very carefully worded so as not to actually support it.

The EU want to tread on the toes of Qatar & Abu Dhabi investement plus a plethora of Russian oil money, without even giving a fair hearing, at a time of Europe wide recession, just to do a few football teams or Platini a favour ?

It's not as if a challenge would be unfair, it would be fully legitimate & correct.

I don't think anyone will need to challenge it. I think Qatar's 'sponsorship' will be allowed & that effectively means it's over.

The truth imo though is that HRH has planned to build the club commercially & through the academy anyway, so wheras he may sign the occasional big player, he will still expect the club to become largely self sufficient eventually & not be costing him 100 mil per year.

[Ted Hughes]

Amazes me that when the owner has access to best legal advice on earth, and it is clear the conclusion is that they must meet FFP, that posters on here think they know better.

Is NOT a restraint on trade. Is established for decades that financial rules can be applied to competitions as long as done equally to all potential competitors. Is clear that growing the business is the only solution and that everything is being done to meet ffp including hiring experts and limiting spending, even selling players and not replacing midseason, to balance the books this year.

I don't think rules of a "competition" can ignore competition law, but I agree that it would be very hard to contest rules which are applied equally and which the clubs indirectly and directly have had a role in defining. This is not yet black and white and the EC has given it only a qualified nod: "The Commission welcomes the adoption of measures aimed at enhancing financial fair play in European football while recalling that such measures have to respect Internal Market and competition rules" in other words we support it but it needs to comply with laws. There are tomes of academic opinion on this and none are yet conclusive until it is put to the test. I think Al Fayed's line is not "my team/business is being prevented from competing" but rather "you cannot tell me how to invest my money", and he MAY have a case.
But I agree that our management is absolutely committed to compliance

As for us copying the scum; they invented international twinning did they? and don't get me started on attributing a strategy to an entity which does not have that strategy. A better headline might be "City to show scum how it's done"

edit: Ted can you please change the post title as its just plain wrong

No. No chance at all. It's not remotely 'wrong' in any way.

It's poking fun at Frank's way of speaking & it would not be deemed offensive by anyone anywhere ever if it was doing the same with Mancini, a scouse or geordie or mancunian pronunciation so absolutely 100% not a chance. If it was 'wrong' I wouldn't have used it.

You are probably seeing an 'ethnic' or some other angle rather than thinking of him just as a bloke who pronounces English incorrectly.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Amazes me that when the owner has access to best legal advice on earth, and it is clear the conclusion is that they must meet FFP, that posters on here think they know better.

Is NOT a restraint on trade. Is established for decades that financial rules can be applied to competitions as long as done equally to all potential competitors. Is clear that growing the business is the only solution and that everything is being done to meet ffp including hiring experts and limiting spending, even selling players and not replacing midseason, to balance the books this year.

I don't think rules of a "competition" can ignore competition law, but I agree that it would be very hard to contest rules which are applied equally and which the clubs indirectly and directly have had a role in defining. This is not yet black and white and the EC has given it only a qualified nod: "The Commission welcomes the adoption of measures aimed at enhancing financial fair play in European football while recalling that such measures have to respect Internal Market and competition rules" in other words we support it but it needs to comply with laws. There are tomes of academic opinion on this and none are yet conclusive until it is put to the test. I think Al Fayed's line is not "my team/business is being prevented from competing" but rather "you cannot tell me how to invest my money", and he MAY have a case.
But I agree that our management is absolutely committed to compliance

As for us copying the scum; they invented international twinning did they? and don't get me started on attributing a strategy to an entity which does not have that strategy. A better headline might be "City to show scum how it's done"

edit: Ted can you please change the post title as its just plain wrong

No. No chance at all. It's not remotely 'wrong' in any way.

It's poking fun at Frank's way of speaking & it would not be deemed offensive by anyone anywhere ever if it was doing the same with Mancini, a scouse or geordie or mancunian pronunciation so absolutely 100% not a chance. If it was 'wrong' I wouldn't have used it.

You are probably seeing an 'ethnic' or some other angle rather than thinking of him just as a bloke who pronounces English incorrectly.

Game set and match.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I agree it's time to move on, it's obvious that the spending that we saw was because these rules were coming into force down the road and we had to get in there before the door slammed shut.

But I don't agree that this won't go to court, I'm convinced someone will challenge this, whether they win or not is anyone's guess.

Which was my whole fuckign point...how anyone can argue the fact is beyond me.

But I think we can be pretty certain it's not going to be City. I read that our owners don't like attention and furthermore, we don't have a lot of good will at this point and challenging this FFP which has a lot of good will with a (in one or several ways) ignorant majority. They are obviously aiming for compliance and are playing by the rules at this point.

Perhaps this is were you speak past each each other? Perhaps I've just repeated something already written. It's all good.

[carl_feedthegoat]

I agree it's time to move on, it's obvious that the spending that we saw was because these rules were coming into force down the road and we had to get in there before the door slammed shut.

But I don't agree that this won't go to court, I'm convinced someone will challenge this, whether they win or not is anyone's guess.

Which was my whole fuckign point...how anyone can argue the fact is beyond me.

But I think we can be pretty certain it's not going to be City. I read that our owners don't like attention and furthermore, we don't have a lot of good will at this point and challenging this FFP which has a lot of good will with a (in one or several ways) ignorant majority. They are obviously aiming for compliance and are playing by the rules at this point.

Perhaps this is were you speak past each each other? Perhaps I've just repeated something already written. It's all good.

If we are pushed into a unwinnable corner then you can bet your bottom dollar we will go to court.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

What I'm saying is that you are clutching at straws in thinking the European Court would have any interest in this whatsoever.

Given the utter groundlessness of that assertion, I suggest you change your name from Socrates to Sophist, as you're not remotely interested in truth and only interested in winning an argument.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I agree it's time to move on, it's obvious that the spending that we saw was because these rules were coming into force down the road and we had to get in there before the door slammed shut.

But I don't agree that this won't go to court, I'm convinced someone will challenge this, whether they win or not is anyone's guess.

Which was my whole fuckign point...how anyone can argue the fact is beyond me.

But I think we can be pretty certain it's not going to be City. I read that our owners don't like attention and furthermore, we don't have a lot of good will at this point and challenging this FFP which has a lot of good will with a (in one or several ways) ignorant majority. They are obviously aiming for compliance and are playing by the rules at this point.

Perhaps this is were you speak past each each other? Perhaps I've just repeated something already written. It's all good.

If we are pushed into a unwinnable corner then you can bet your bottom dollar we will go to court.

That I have no doubt about but we will probably never be in that position in the first place. We're mint!

[Cocacolajojo1]

What I'm saying is that you are clutching at straws in thinking the European Court would have any interest in this whatsoever.

Given the utter groundlessness of that assertion, I suggest you change your name from Socrates to Sophist, as you're not remotely interested in truth and only interested in winning an argument.

Can anyone be a philosophical school, attitute or inclination?

Can I be Leibniz's Jojo, the best jojo there ever was?

[Hazy2]

Is it here yet ffs it's freezing.

[Alex Sapphire]

Amazes me that when the owner has access to best legal advice on earth, and it is clear the conclusion is that they must meet FFP, that posters on here think they know better.

Is NOT a restraint on trade. Is established for decades that financial rules can be applied to competitions as long as done equally to all potential competitors. Is clear that growing the business is the only solution and that everything is being done to meet ffp including hiring experts and limiting spending, even selling players and not replacing midseason, to balance the books this year.

I don't think rules of a "competition" can ignore competition law, but I agree that it would be very hard to contest rules which are applied equally and which the clubs indirectly and directly have had a role in defining. This is not yet black and white and the EC has given it only a qualified nod: "The Commission welcomes the adoption of measures aimed at enhancing financial fair play in European football while recalling that such measures have to respect Internal Market and competition rules" in other words we support it but it needs to comply with laws. There are tomes of academic opinion on this and none are yet conclusive until it is put to the test. I think Al Fayed's line is not "my team/business is being prevented from competing" but rather "you cannot tell me how to invest my money", and he MAY have a case.
But I agree that our management is absolutely committed to compliance

As for us copying the scum; they invented international twinning did they? and don't get me started on attributing a strategy to an entity which does not have that strategy. A better headline might be "City to show scum how it's done"

edit: Ted can you please change the post title as its just plain wrong

No. No chance at all. It's not remotely 'wrong' in any way.

It's poking fun at Frank's way of speaking & it would not be deemed offensive by anyone anywhere ever if it was doing the same with Mancini, a scouse or geordie or mancunian pronunciation so absolutely 100% not a chance. If it was 'wrong' I wouldn't have used it.

You are probably seeing an 'ethnic' or some other angle rather than thinking of him just as a bloke who pronounces English incorrectly.

funny you should assume anyone would see an ethnic angle
funnier still that you are so sure that it would not be deemed offensive by anyone anywhere, ever
and you've misremembered his accent he doesn't struggle with the letter "l" at all
Reconciliation is his big thing remember

and fucking "hawkeye" from punta cunta can fuck off

[carl_feedthegoat]

Amazes me that when the owner has access to best legal advice on earth, and it is clear the conclusion is that they must meet FFP, that posters on here think they know better.

Is NOT a restraint on trade. Is established for decades that financial rules can be applied to competitions as long as done equally to all potential competitors. Is clear that growing the business is the only solution and that everything is being done to meet ffp including hiring experts and limiting spending, even selling players and not replacing midseason, to balance the books this year.

I don't think rules of a "competition" can ignore competition law, but I agree that it would be very hard to contest rules which are applied equally and which the clubs indirectly and directly have had a role in defining. This is not yet black and white and the EC has given it only a qualified nod: "The Commission welcomes the adoption of measures aimed at enhancing financial fair play in European football while recalling that such measures have to respect Internal Market and competition rules" in other words we support it but it needs to comply with laws. There are tomes of academic opinion on this and none are yet conclusive until it is put to the test. I think Al Fayed's line is not "my team/business is being prevented from competing" but rather "you cannot tell me how to invest my money", and he MAY have a case.
But I agree that our management is absolutely committed to compliance

As for us copying the scum; they invented international twinning did they? and don't get me started on attributing a strategy to an entity which does not have that strategy. A better headline might be "City to show scum how it's done"

edit: Ted can you please change the post title as its just plain wrong

No. No chance at all. It's not remotely 'wrong' in any way.

It's poking fun at Frank's way of speaking & it would not be deemed offensive by anyone anywhere ever if it was doing the same with Mancini, a scouse or geordie or mancunian pronunciation so absolutely 100% not a chance. If it was 'wrong' I wouldn't have used it.

You are probably seeing an 'ethnic' or some other angle rather than thinking of him just as a bloke who pronounces English incorrectly.

funny you should assume anyone would see an ethnic angle
funnier still that you are so sure that it would not be deemed offensive by anyone anywhere, ever
and you've misremembered his accent he doesn't struggle with the letter "l" at all
Reconciliation is his big thing remember

and fucking "hawkeye" from punta cunta can fuck off

Pmsl...Its fuckign boring today Alex,theres fuckall to do but look for angles here and there to stick the boot in...you know how it is.

Now where did I put that fuckign pina Colada?

[Hazy2]

Amazes me that when the owner has access to best legal advice on earth, and it is clear the conclusion is that they must meet FFP, that posters on here think they know better.

Is NOT a restraint on trade. Is established for decades that financial rules can be applied to competitions as long as done equally to all potential competitors. Is clear that growing the business is the only solution and that everything is being done to meet ffp including hiring experts and limiting spending, even selling players and not replacing midseason, to balance the books this year.

I don't think rules of a "competition" can ignore competition law, but I agree that it would be very hard to contest rules which are applied equally and which the clubs indirectly and directly have had a role in defining. This is not yet black and white and the EC has given it only a qualified nod: "The Commission welcomes the adoption of measures aimed at enhancing financial fair play in European football while recalling that such measures have to respect Internal Market and competition rules" in other words we support it but it needs to comply with laws. There are tomes of academic opinion on this and none are yet conclusive until it is put to the test. I think Al Fayed's line is not "my team/business is being prevented from competing" but rather "you cannot tell me how to invest my money", and he MAY have a case.
But I agree that our management is absolutely committed to compliance

As for us copying the scum; they invented international twinning did they? and don't get me started on attributing a strategy to an entity which does not have that strategy. A better headline might be "City to show scum how it's done"

edit: Ted can you please change the post title as its just plain wrong

No. No chance at all. It's not remotely 'wrong' in any way.

It's poking fun at Frank's way of speaking & it would not be deemed offensive by anyone anywhere ever if it was doing the same with Mancini, a scouse or geordie or mancunian pronunciation so absolutely 100% not a chance. If it was 'wrong' I wouldn't have used it.

You are probably seeing an 'ethnic' or some other angle rather than thinking of him just as a bloke who pronounces English incorrectly.

funny you should assume anyone would see an ethnic angle
funnier still that you are so sure that it would not be deemed offensive by anyone anywhere, ever
and you've misremembered his accent he doesn't struggle with the letter "l" at all
Reconciliation is his big thing remember

and fucking "hawkeye" from punta cunta can fuck off

Pmsl...Its fuckign boring today Alex,theres fuckall to do but look for angles here and there to stick the boot in...you know how it is.

Now where did I put that fuckign pina Colada?

Carl dont panic but there is head floating to your left behind you FFS look.

[carl_feedthegoat]

FFS...its not a head ,thats my fuckign coconut drink gone FFS !!

[Socrates]

Restraint of trade in EU law terms only concerns a right to trade across the EU area uninhibited, if Platini said we couldn't sell replica shirts in France it would be a restraint of trade and of interest to the court. Saying we have to meet certain rules to compete in invitational competitions is not a restraint of trade as long as applied equally across all potential qualifying competitors. It really is that simple...

[Ted Hughes]

Amazes me that when the owner has access to best legal advice on earth, and it is clear the conclusion is that they must meet FFP, that posters on here think they know better.

Is NOT a restraint on trade. Is established for decades that financial rules can be applied to competitions as long as done equally to all potential competitors. Is clear that growing the business is the only solution and that everything is being done to meet ffp including hiring experts and limiting spending, even selling players and not replacing midseason, to balance the books this year.

I don't think rules of a "competition" can ignore competition law, but I agree that it would be very hard to contest rules which are applied equally and which the clubs indirectly and directly have had a role in defining. This is not yet black and white and the EC has given it only a qualified nod: "The Commission welcomes the adoption of measures aimed at enhancing financial fair play in European football while recalling that such measures have to respect Internal Market and competition rules" in other words we support it but it needs to comply with laws. There are tomes of academic opinion on this and none are yet conclusive until it is put to the test. I think Al Fayed's line is not "my team/business is being prevented from competing" but rather "you cannot tell me how to invest my money", and he MAY have a case.
But I agree that our management is absolutely committed to compliance

As for us copying the scum; they invented international twinning did they? and don't get me started on attributing a strategy to an entity which does not have that strategy. A better headline might be "City to show scum how it's done"

edit: Ted can you please change the post title as its just plain wrong

No. No chance at all. It's not remotely 'wrong' in any way.

It's poking fun at Frank's way of speaking & it would not be deemed offensive by anyone anywhere ever if it was doing the same with Mancini, a scouse or geordie or mancunian pronunciation so absolutely 100% not a chance. If it was 'wrong' I wouldn't have used it.

You are probably seeing an 'ethnic' or some other angle rather than thinking of him just as a bloke who pronounces English incorrectly.

funny you should assume anyone would see an ethnic angle
funnier still that you are so sure that it would not be deemed offensive by anyone anywhere, ever
and you've misremembered his accent he doesn't struggle with the letter "l" at all
Reconciliation is his big thing remember

and fucking "hawkeye" from punta cunta can fuck off

I don't remember nor care no. Just as I don't know exactly which letters Mancini struggles with but it wouldn't stop me randomly taking the piss out of him.

I didn't assume you were seeing an ethnic angle, I just listed it as one possible, as I've no idea whatsoever why anyone would pretend to be offended by it.

What angle are you seeing then ?

And which people do you think are offended by it & why ?

[Alex Sapphire]

FFS...its not a head ,thats my fuckign coconut drink gone FFS !!

thought it was a recently clubbed baby seal.

[Hazy2]

FFS...its not a head ,thats my fuckign coconut drink gone FFS !!

thought it was a recently clubbed baby seal.

I remember when his seals dad was cool.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

What I'm saying is that you are clutching at straws in thinking the European Court would have any interest in this whatsoever.

Given the utter groundlessness of that assertion, I suggest you change your name from Socrates to Sophist, as you're not remotely interested in truth and only interested in winning an argument.

Can anyone be a philosophical school, attitute or inclination?

Can I be Leibniz's Jojo, the best jojo there ever was?

[john68]

It will be challenged in court at some stage by someone

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21599222

Mr Watkins, a member of the Premier League legal advisory group, said the challenge for Uefa would be when it was faced at some stage with potentially excluding a big club from one of its competitions.
"If someone is faced with exclusion, then I think we will see some potential arguments and challenges come into play [from clubs]." he said.
He said these could be on the basis of European Union regulations which prevent "anti-competitive collusion" and which prohibit "abuse of a dominant position".

That is the one and the same MR MAURICE WATKINS CBE....
The same guy who was a director of the rags board from 1984, sat on the rags PLC board from 1991, was the rags chief legal advisor for about 28 years, was one of 4 directors directly responsible for the appointment of Taggart at the swamp. A guy who has represented and worked for the rags whilst sitting at the big tables in the FA, UeFA, FIFA, the Court of sports arbitration...etc.

Alongside Messrs Gill and Gadzidis, Mr Watkins is another of the rags/Arsenal partnership in a position of huge political power and influence. He certainly won't be turning out on our side of any legal argument. Morethan likely, he will be a member of the team that faces us, should we take it to court.

[zuricity]

What I'm saying is that you are clutching at straws in thinking the European Court would have any interest in this whatsoever. Time to accept that we are now going for growth of income first and that the accelerated spending period is behind us. We won't be spending £50m on a player anytime soon and will have to settle for just being one of several clubs that win trophies, there will not be a period of domination like our neighbours had. Is time to make our expectations realistic instead of the hysteria we have seen when the owner hasn't opened his pockets sufficiently for some spoiled brats in some transfer windows. What we should be adjusting to is an expectation of finishing in the top 3 every year, Champions league every year, winning a trophy more seasons than not and growing the brand and developing the academy as we go. The academy project may give us a period of domination one day, in the meantime further success cannot be bought by an open cheque book alone. Time to move on from that.

May I add, that as during the period when it was clear they could no longer wait for Hughes to fail, my only aim is to justify the necessary actions of owners in the face of this despicable FPP regime.

Doh, the European court , like any Court in the UK, does not bring lawsuits anywhere! It's people