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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:47 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:It was filled, we had 8 homegrown ( 9 if you include Guidetti ) in our squad before Sinclair was signed, so we didn't need to sign him to fill the quota, it's that simple.

I am not saying something else. We are not restricted to 8 homegrown. We can have as many as we want up to 25. The rule esentially says that you can have no more than 17 non-homegrown players. It doesn't stipulate that you must have x amount of homegrown.


Like I said, we didn't have 8 domestic grown players. Did we want to leave some places plank? Why would we? We have the money and went and bought someone to fill the quota.

Unfortunately we were out of the Champion's League early.

Guidetti couldn't have been counted on. He has only recently been back.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:50 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:It was filled, we had 8 homegrown ( 9 if you include Guidetti ) in our squad before Sinclair was signed, so we didn't need to sign him to fill the quota, it's that simple.

I am not saying something else. We are not restricted to 8 homegrown. We can have as many as we want up to 25. The rule esentially says that you can have no more than 17 non-homegrown players. It doesn't stipulate that you must have x amount of homegrown.


Like I said, we didn't have 8 domestic grown players. Did we want to leave some places plank? Why would we? We have the money and went and bought someone to fill the quota.

Unfortunately we were out of the Champion's League early.

Guidetti couldn't have been counted on. He has only recently been back.


We did have 8 domestic grown before Sinclair signed. I've listed them above.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:01 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
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Foreverinbluedreams wrote:It was filled, we had 8 homegrown ( 9 if you include Guidetti ) in our squad before Sinclair was signed, so we didn't need to sign him to fill the quota, it's that simple.

I am not saying something else. We are not restricted to 8 homegrown. We can have as many as we want up to 25. The rule esentially says that you can have no more than 17 non-homegrown players. It doesn't stipulate that you must have x amount of homegrown.


Like I said, we didn't have 8 domestic grown players. Did we want to leave some places plank? Why would we? We have the money and went and bought someone to fill the quota.

Unfortunately we were out of the Champion's League early.

Guidetti couldn't have been counted on. He has only recently been back.


We did have 8 domestic grown before Sinclair signed. I've listed them above.


I tried to google when Clichy was signed and found august 12th and that would make it two weeks less than required three years but I'm not going to argue about that.

When we started doing the deal for Sinclair, we didn't have enough first team players to fill the quota. Guidetti wasn't going to be named because he was going to be out for at least six months. Wright deal was done the same day as Sinclair deal if my memory serves me so there you go. One injury to any of those players and we would have had one empty spot on the bench.

I don't know why you are even arguing against that. I think this is pretty good damn obvious. Or are you trying to tell me that with nearly unlimited funds and whole world to scour for talent, Scott Sinclair was best we got do. I don't think too highly of Marwood but even he knows better than that. Sinclair being English was major factor in that transaction.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:16 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:It was filled, we had 8 homegrown ( 9 if you include Guidetti ) in our squad before Sinclair was signed, so we didn't need to sign him to fill the quota, it's that simple.

I am not saying something else. We are not restricted to 8 homegrown. We can have as many as we want up to 25. The rule esentially says that you can have no more than 17 non-homegrown players. It doesn't stipulate that you must have x amount of homegrown.


Like I said, we didn't have 8 domestic grown players. Did we want to leave some places plank? Why would we? We have the money and went and bought someone to fill the quota.

Unfortunately we were out of the Champion's League early.

Guidetti couldn't have been counted on. He has only recently been back.


We did have 8 domestic grown before Sinclair signed. I've listed them above.


I tried to google when Clichy was signed and found august 12th and that would make it two weeks less than required three years but I'm not going to argue about that.

When we started doing the deal for Sinclair, we didn't have enough first team players to fill the quota. Guidetti wasn't going to be named because he was going to be out for at least six months. Wright deal was done the same day as Sinclair deal if my memory serves me so there you go. One injury to any of those players and we would have had one empty spot on the bench.

I don't know why you are even arguing against that. I think this is pretty good damn obvious. Or are you trying to tell me that with nearly unlimited funds and whole world to scour for talent, Scott Sinclair was best we got do. I don't think too highly of Marwood but even he knows better than that. Sinclair being English was major factor in that transaction.


http://www.premierleague.com/content/da ... r-2012.pdf

Right, I was disregarding the fact that Rodwell is still under21 so doesn't need to be named in the 25. It still doesn't mean that we had to sign Sinclair to fill the eight homegrown places as it's not necessary that we fill this quota. We had 13 non homegrown in the squad at the start of the season ( now 12 with Mario's departure ) so we could have signed four more non homegrown. We could have signed a replacement for Johnson without the need for him to be homegrown.

As you can see from the PDF we only named a squad of 22 and Clichy is homegrown.

This is why I'm saying that to sign Sinclair just because he's homegrown is nonsense. Sorry but that's about as clear as I can make it. If you can't understand that I give up.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:49 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:It was filled, we had 8 homegrown ( 9 if you include Guidetti ) in our squad before Sinclair was signed, so we didn't need to sign him to fill the quota, it's that simple.

I am not saying something else. We are not restricted to 8 homegrown. We can have as many as we want up to 25. The rule esentially says that you can have no more than 17 non-homegrown players. It doesn't stipulate that you must have x amount of homegrown.


Like I said, we didn't have 8 domestic grown players. Did we want to leave some places plank? Why would we? We have the money and went and bought someone to fill the quota.

Unfortunately we were out of the Champion's League early.

Guidetti couldn't have been counted on. He has only recently been back.


We did have 8 domestic grown before Sinclair signed. I've listed them above.


I tried to google when Clichy was signed and found august 12th and that would make it two weeks less than required three years but I'm not going to argue about that.

When we started doing the deal for Sinclair, we didn't have enough first team players to fill the quota. Guidetti wasn't going to be named because he was going to be out for at least six months. Wright deal was done the same day as Sinclair deal if my memory serves me so there you go. One injury to any of those players and we would have had one empty spot on the bench.

I don't know why you are even arguing against that. I think this is pretty good damn obvious. Or are you trying to tell me that with nearly unlimited funds and whole world to scour for talent, Scott Sinclair was best we got do. I don't think too highly of Marwood but even he knows better than that. Sinclair being English was major factor in that transaction.


http://www.premierleague.com/content/da ... r-2012.pdf

Right, I was disregarding the fact that Rodwell is still under21 so doesn't need to be named in the 25. It still doesn't mean that we had to sign Sinclair to fill the eight homegrown places as it's not necessary that we fill this quota. We had 13 non homegrown in the squad at the start of the season ( now 12 with Mario's departure ) so we could have signed four more non homegrown. We could have signed a replacement for Johnson without the need for him to be homegrown.

As you can see from the PDF we only named a squad of 22 and Clichy is homegrown.

This is why I'm saying that to sign Sinclair just because he's homegrown is nonsense. Sorry but that's about as clear as I can make it. If you can't understand that I give up.


That's a great find that file. Cheers. Will save that. And like I said, I wasn't certain at all about Clichy.

I have to admit that I never realised we didn't even have 25 men to fill the list.

So, even more disastrous, did Marwood REALLY sign this guy when he could've gone for any winger in the world? Jeezes.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Rag_hater » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:42 pm

Marwood is still here however the shoe salesman is not.So somebody must still be happy with him.Maybe he is doing what he is being asked too.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:47 pm

Rag_hater wrote:Marwood is still here however the shoe salesman is not.So somebody must still be happy with him.Maybe he is doing what he is being asked too.


Doubt he will be here after summer. We already appointed a guy to do his job after all.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Rag_hater » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:16 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:Marwood is still here however the shoe salesman is not.So somebody must still be happy with him.Maybe he is doing what he is being asked too.


Doubt he will be here after summer. We already appointed a guy to do his job after all.



You are probably right but it just seems a bit strange to me that somebody that the Boss could get rid off quite easily is still with us after the master has gone.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:20 pm

Rag_hater wrote:
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Rag_hater wrote:Marwood is still here however the shoe salesman is not.So somebody must still be happy with him.Maybe he is doing what he is being asked too.


Doubt he will be here after summer. We already appointed a guy to do his job after all.



You are probably right but it just seems a bit strange to me that somebody that the Boss could get rid off quite easily is still with us after the master has gone.


I have a feeling it's the owners handling this businesslike. Like give him an opportunity to find another job so everyone can shake hands and go different directions happy.

If it was me, that guy would've had exactly 13 minutes to clear his desk after his mate got the boot.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Rag_hater » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:30 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:Marwood is still here however the shoe salesman is not.So somebody must still be happy with him.Maybe he is doing what he is being asked too.


Doubt he will be here after summer. We already appointed a guy to do his job after all.



You are probably right but it just seems a bit strange to me that somebody that the Boss could get rid off quite easily is still with us after the master has gone.


I have a feeling it's the owners handling this businesslike. Like give him an opportunity to find another job so everyone can shake hands and go different directions happy.

If it was me, that guy would've had exactly 13 minutes to clear his desk after his mate got the boot.


For me I don't think he has made to many mistakes and, if he was not in the position to make silly offers like the master,it's no wonder we have the players we have.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:54 pm

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So, even more disastrous, did Marwood REALLY sign this guy when he could've gone for any winger in the world? Jeezes.


He didn't & doesn't.

Mancini signed him.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:06 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:It was filled, we had 8 homegrown ( 9 if you include Guidetti ) in our squad before Sinclair was signed, so we didn't need to sign him to fill the quota, it's that simple.

I am not saying something else. We are not restricted to 8 homegrown. We can have as many as we want up to 25. The rule esentially says that you can have no more than 17 non-homegrown players. It doesn't stipulate that you must have x amount of homegrown.



I never said it did YOU SAID the quota was filled not me !!!

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It doesn't make any sense to sign another homegrown when we already had the quota filled though.


There, that's you saying it ealier.


I know we don't HAVE to fill the quota, but there are a number of places which can ONLY be used by homegrown players. It gives Mancini room to manouvre if we have a selection of them & he can fill up empty spaces in the squad. He said pre season he wanted numbers, that he didn't have enough players. Khaldoon said one or two, Bob said five or six.

He could fuck Wright off at any time.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:14 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:It was filled, we had 8 homegrown ( 9 if you include Guidetti ) in our squad before Sinclair was signed, so we didn't need to sign him to fill the quota, it's that simple.

I am not saying something else. We are not restricted to 8 homegrown. We can have as many as we want up to 25. The rule esentially says that you can have no more than 17 non-homegrown players. It doesn't stipulate that you must have x amount of homegrown.



I never said it did YOU SAID the quota was filled not me !!!

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
It doesn't make any sense to sign another homegrown when we already had the quota filled though.


There, that's you saying it ealier.


I know we don't HAVE to fill the quota, but there are a number of places which can ONLY be used by homegrown players. It gives Mancini room to manouvre if we have a selection of them & he can fill up empty spaces in the squad. He said pre season he wanted numbers, that he didn't have enough players. Khaldoon said one or two, Bob said five or six.

He could fuck Wright off at any time.


Ok Ted, whatever makes you happy.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby wolfcity » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:20 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Anyway, the biggest reason for signing Sinclair was that he was only even remotely suitable domestic grown player AVAILABLE last day of the transfer window. Now why did we sell Adam Johnson with no replacement lined up late in the transfer window. That's YET another good question.


Adam Johnson forced his move through by his desire to play more football. He's also from the North East originally so perhaps he also wanted to be closer to home too. If Mancini had a list of players in mind to replace Johnson then you'd expect Sinclair to be towards the bottom. His signing ensured at least someone came in and unfortunately it just hasn't worked.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:21 am

wolfcity wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Anyway, the biggest reason for signing Sinclair was that he was only even remotely suitable domestic grown player AVAILABLE last day of the transfer window. Now why did we sell Adam Johnson with no replacement lined up late in the transfer window. That's YET another good question.


Adam Johnson forced his move through by his desire to play more football. He's also from the North East originally so perhaps he also wanted to be closer to home too. If Mancini had a list of players in mind to replace Johnson then you'd expect Sinclair to be towards the bottom. His signing ensured at least someone came in and unfortunately it just hasn't worked.


He was talking about wanting to play regular football for over a year. Selling him with week left of the transfer window with no replacement on plae was Marwood's decision.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:24 am

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Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
So, even more disastrous, did Marwood REALLY sign this guy when he could've gone for any winger in the world? Jeezes.


He didn't & doesn't.

Mancini signed him.


For the millionth time. We have director of football system in place. Do you really think Mancini watches millions of hours of tape of potential players, makes offers, bargains with agents, goes to games to scout players? All this while painting the walls in concourses.

And if Mancini was doing all this then why the FUCK would we have Marwood in the first place? What was his job? You NEVER answer those questions.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby john@staustell » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:50 am

What's all this teary-eyed stuff about Johnson? He was shite and getting worse.

At least Sinclair can come on when we're 3-0 up and give some bugger else a rest.

I'm sure the situation will be addressed in the summer.

My only question is - is there no one coming through the ranks better than these two (Sinclair and AJ)? Who we can bring on when 3-0 up? Surely Lopez would be a better option than Sinclair right now?
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby wolfcity » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:53 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
wolfcity wrote:Adam Johnson forced his move through by his desire to play more football. He's also from the North East originally so perhaps he also wanted to be closer to home too. If Mancini had a list of players in mind to replace Johnson then you'd expect Sinclair to be towards the bottom. His signing ensured at least someone came in and unfortunately it just hasn't worked.


He was talking about wanting to play regular football for over a year. Selling him with week left of the transfer window with no replacement on plae was Marwood's decision.


It wouldn't have been fair on Johnson to keep him at City against his wishes. He looked like he was prepared to stay and fight for his place but eventually realised it wasn't going to happen. I think he showed some promise in matches but there were never enough examples of them. Sadly, his replacement doesn't appear to be good enough either.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby King Kev » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:50 am

Mase wrote:How many months did Tevez have off last season and came back after not training and just smashed it up straight away?

Tevez had a number of weeks intensive training, quite often on his own, when he came back from his golfing trip before he went back into the side.
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Re: Underwhelmed By Scott Sinclair Yesterday

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:52 am

King Kev wrote:Tevez had a number of weeks intensive training, quite often on his own, when he came back from his golfing trip before he went back into the side.


Why the fuck hasn't Sinclair been training, the lazy shit?
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