Nedum - I've gone backwards, but I'll get it back

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Nedum - I've gone backwards, but I'll get it back

Postby ant london » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:49 am

A great interview with The Chief.....if only all footballers could be as realistic and as considered as Nedum.

In the context of Kolo's questionable form I could certainly see Nedum keeping him out of the team (fitness permitting) when Toure returns from Angola. I want a good run in the team for Ned, he's a great lad and a fantastic player.

He was City's bright young thing five years ago – but after the influx of expensive talents, he's still only hopeful of a starting place. The defender talks to Ian Herbert about life on the fringes at the world's richest club

A cold, autumnal Wednesday, waking to thoughts of whether there will be a place in the Manchester City manager's starting XI for the arrival of Arsenal in the Carling Cup tonight. Nedum Onuoha has been here before.

It was more in hope than expectation back in 2004 that he scanned the teamsheet Kevin Keegan had prepared for the arrival of Arsène Wenger's side and found that he would be making his first-team debut. Onuoha did not anticipate still being peripheral at City all these years later, especially after performances for Mark Hughes in the second-half of the last campaign which made him a serious contender for the club's Player of the Season and led to a new four-year contract. But then Joleon Lescott arrived, followed by Kolo Touré, for a collective cost of £38m, and Onuoha cannot deny some angst. "It is disappointing not to play, given what I did last season and compared to then I do feel I may have gone backwards," he says.

Onuoha has been a victim of City's desire to get somewhere in a hurry and though he believes he can play a part in the club's new chapter – "I don't think it is impossible to get back to where I was," he declares – the 23-year-old also speaks from the heart when cautioning them against overlooking local talent in their breakneck pursuit of Champions League football.

The hurdles for young City players have just got twice as high. The City chief executive, Garry Cook, said on the recent trip to Abu Dhabi that they want to model their academy on Arsenal's and will buy in the best young players for it if necessary – a point Hughes reiterated yesterday. All part of the "project", Onuoha understands. "If the club can be more successful then things will level out," he says. "In the last 18 months they've been trying to give themselves a solid base and rush it through where with other clubs it might be a longer ongoing process. If we do achieve some of the things we want, then maybe things can level out and the academy can come to the forefront again." And yet he believes City do run the the risk of losing young talents such as 20-year-old Vladimir Weiss, the Slovakian midfielder who played such a vibrant role in Jim Cassell's 2008 FA Youth Cup winning side.

"Three or four years ago at this point he [Weiss] might have played 50 games for the club already," Onuoha says. "In training you see he's a really good player and in my opinion has much more technical ability than any of the [first team] academy [graduates] - certainly more than Micah [Richards] and me. But he has not been able to break into the side because of the people ahead of him and the pressure that comes with the shirt these days."

Onuoha speaks from the experience of 13 years at City, in which he has seen many young prospects go. Striker Ched Evans delivered a bitter parting shot this summer when he left for Sheffield United but Daniel Sturridge, who went to Chelsea after City considered his £65,000-a-week wage demands ridiculous, is another whom Onuoha believes had given up on the prospect of regular football. "It's harder for the people trying to make a name for themselves against the people who already have," he says. "Most of Daniel's appearances were coming off the bench, that's not the type of thing you want to be doing."

There's a certain fatalism about his own outlook on the future in east Manchester, where many seasoned observers wonder why Lescott was signed this summer when Onuoha and Vincent Kompany were in situ? Keegan picked him for that Arsenal game, three days after the north London club's famous "Battle of the Buffet" with Manchester United, having happened to walk in on the defender's best academy match of the season. Then, one of his first league starts, under Stuart Pearce, happened to be one of City's best performance of 2005-06, the narrow 1-0 home defeat to champions Chelsea. "In my time here I've never gone through a season when I've been first choice, whether through injury or selection," he says. "So I've seen this type of thing before and I always seem to end up playing. I never see people come in and think 'that's it'. It's the people who really want to be here who'll be here the longest and when it matters."

He is the man who Pearce, when asked by a member of the Manchester press corps where Onuoha might be found at the Carrington training ground, once joked that he was "probably splitting the atom or something around the back." The personnel have changed since then but Onuoha, with his three A level A grades (maths, business studies and IT) is still considered the resident bright spark sought out by team-mates for answers. "If someone comes across a problem and they don't think they'll be able to do it they'll come and ask me even though it's a simple thing," he grins. "I think I just give things more thought so people think it's difficult. They're just too lazy to figure it out for themselves."

His reputation as a considered and erudite individual has also made him an important part of the equality campaign Kick it Out campaign (www.kickitout.org). Few who were present can forget his response to the racial abuse he received during England Under-21s' 2-0 victory over Serbia at the European Championship in Nijmegen two years back. He simply paused and stared at his tormentors with a mixture of pity and bewilderment. "I just wanted to make a stand, to let them know I could hear what was happening," he said that day. "Still, we must move on."

That kind of outlook has been bestowed by a mother, Anthonia, who has a doctorate in environmental sciences, and a father, Martin, who is a secondary school maths teacher. When Onuoha was five they swapped their relatively salubrious home in Nigeria – "it wasn't rough and I do recall we had house helps," their son recalls – for a home in Manchester's Miles Platting district, which was "not the best place to be at that time." Onuoha's sister walked in on a burglar and it was their desire for something better that led the couple, once established, to put him through Hulme Grammar School. He might actually have been a sprinter. A career at Trafford Athletic Club, with Craig Pickering and Andrew Steele, two of England's finest, peaked with a 100 metres time of 10.9 seconds. But it was to be football instead.

Capped 21 times for the Under-21s, he is holding out on accepting Nigeria's requests to play for them and the same goes for any thoughts of leaving City for more regular football just yet. "You can always say 'should this have happened, that have happened?" he says. "But going back five years, there was a period when we didn't even score a goal in the second half of the season at home. To be wanted as part of a bigger project is a big thing."

Home-grown: But what are their chances?

Total Man City apps/2009-10 apps so far

S Wright-Phillips (28 yrs) 234/16
Stephen Ireland (23) 161/15
Micah Richards (21) 138/9
Nedum Onuoha (23) 101/1
Michael Johnson (21) 45/2
Kelvin Etuhu (21) 15/0 (erm is he not on loan??)
Shaleum Logan (21) 3/0 (and him??)
Vladimir Weiss (20) 3/2
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Re: Nedum - I've gone backwards, but I'll get it back

Postby CityFanFromRome » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:16 am

I can see where he is coming from, but at the same time he didn't seem overly angry over the situation, and I believe he does have the possibility to challenge Lescott and Tourè for a starting place. But in general, it may be that academy prospects will have to be a bit more patient in the next couple of seasons as we establish ourselves as true contenders at the top of the table. Once we are there and made the "Big Four" a "Big Five", academy prospects who deserve it will have their space again.

As for Onuoha in particular, he was really one of the best in last season's second half and maybe we could have done with only one out of Lescott and Tourè, giving him more space. But let's not forget this is an Europa-less season. If, as we all expect, we will be in europe again next season, there will be more space, as there will be a bigger need for turnover, and injuries and suspensions to face in that competition too.
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Postby MARKMAKAVELI » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:49 am

If I could pick one player to play and captain our club week in week out it would be him. Unfortunatley a mixture of injuries and new signings have slowed him down yet again...

Hopefully he'll get in, stay injury free and become 1st name on the teamsheet.
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Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:52 am

MARKMAKAVELI wrote:If I could pick one player to play and captain our club week in week out it would be him. Unfortunatley a mixture of injuries and new signings have slowed him down yet again...

Hopefully he'll get in, stay injury free and become 1st name on the teamsheet.


Fully agree. I'm HUGE fan of Ned and he is the one player I really hope will break to line up. He also has good point about it being bit unfair for him considering his fine performances last season AND considering Lescott's form.
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Postby Fish111 » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:52 am

He's a calm and considered fella is Nedum. He'll give it time but if things continue the way they are with Hughes team selections & performances then you couldn't blame him for wanting away in a couple of years. He's a blue through & through so i'm sure he'll get a starting place eventually and will keep either Toure or Lescott out of the team for a long time. His only problem is that he is injury prone though.
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Postby irblinx » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:57 am

Much as I love Ned, and I think he is of the highest quality as a player and as an ambassador for the club and in particular the academy, the signing of Toure and Lescott is completely irrelevant to the fact that he hasn't played this season. Up until about a month ago he was out injured and has obviously since been on the comeback trail, unfortunately for the lad it is an all too familiar story of his career so far and knowing that it would be criminal of Hughes to not sign a CB just to "give Neddy space".

Personally I would have him in the starting line up now (possibly even at RB) but you can't plan a season around having the lad available all the way through it. Even last season when he was immense at the heart of the defence he'd started injured for the first couple of months. I continue to hope that he finally shakes off the continual injuries problems, and then when he does that he's still a City player but at the moment we have to accept that his record means you can't rely on him.

As for the never ending "the academy players won't get a chance" debate, comparing now with the past and decrying the number of academy players in the team is nonsense. The reason so many made it through is that we were skint and had a generally poor squad so the bar was much lower, of all the players that made it through how many would you actually want in the first team squad now? The ones that are already there maybe? The only players that we ever produced that were actually good enough for a team with our ambitions now always got sold off to the "bigger" clubs at the time in any case, even the recent departure of Sturridge was down to the fact that the old City regime had let him get down to the last year of his contract and the lad had his head turned by one of the big four.

I'm sure Hughes is trying to follow the Fergiscum blueprint of bringing young players through with Weiss of not over exposing them at a young age and where possible blooding them when the team is in a winning position to decrease the pressure. In our current situation I think he's wrong to do that but I can understand the thinking behind that strategically.
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Postby Mike J » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:20 am

i still think it should be kolo and ned in the centre with lescott at left back. ned should be starting.
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Postby john@staustell » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:28 am

Like Irby says, Ned has mainly been held back by his own injuries. This then affects his game when he does come back, like the poor clearance that gave Liverpool the equaliser.

When on form and having an injury-free run he's good and will get in on merit, but keeping fit is another matter.
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Postby trout man » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:55 am

Onuoha has been a victim of City's desire to get somewhere in a hurry

That about sums up the season for me. Nuff said.
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Postby Hazy » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:49 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
MARKMAKAVELI wrote:If I could pick one player to play and captain our club week in week out it would be him. Unfortunatley a mixture of injuries and new signings have slowed him down yet again...

Hopefully he'll get in, stay injury free and become 1st name on the teamsheet.


Fully agree. I'm HUGE fan of Ned and he is the one player I really hope will break to line up. He also has good point about it being bit unfair for him considering his fine performances last season AND considering Lescott's form.


I am big fan of Ned, Lescott has been outstanding in the last 2 games.
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Postby Mr Miyagi » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:09 pm

If Toure (and Ade) continues with their "I'm only going to raise my game when we play Arsenal" routine, then Ned will be back in the team soon. Plus Toure will go to African Nations in January....
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Postby bobadji » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:19 pm

I really love Ned, future England defender in my opinion if he can stay fit.
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