Does your boyfriend know you're here?

[DoomMerchant]

I think this whole thing was kicked off by the the gay supporters association or something like that

wait until the gay ethnic supporters association realizes they've been beaten to the punch by the non-ethnic gay minority. Their will be hell to pay.

cheers

[Nigels Tackle]

I think this whole thing was kicked off by the the gay supporters association or something like that

wait until the gay ethnic supporters association realizes they've been beaten to the punch by the non-ethnic gay minority. Their will be hell to pay.

cheers

who will the scoucers blame?

[Mase]

who will the scoucers blame?

The Sun.

[simon12]

You scouse bastard is derogatory...scouser isn`t. You gay bastard is, but we can see you holding hands isn`t in my view. It`s a case of an establishment telling a minority group how to feel offended..YET AGAIN.
.

Thing is, people haven't been persecuted, prosecuted or beaten up just for being scouse. I'm not a big fan of censorship or political correctness, but the comment about dying of aids was beyond 'humour' and I think it's right for people to say it's not acceptable

That`s where we agree pal. I`ve also seen people being beaten up for being scouse at Maine Road but i know what you mean.

Football fans in general start with the humour ie holding hands and it inevitabley turns sour.

[london blue 2]

I don't have a boyfriend but if I did I doubt he'd mind me posting on here.

[Mase]

I don't have a boyfriend but if I did I doubt he'd mind me posting on here.

Are you serious about not having a boyfriend? PM your number??

[london blue 2]

I don't have a boyfriend but if I did I doubt he'd mind me posting on here.

Are you serious about not having a boyfriend? PM your number??

Na just kidding. He's just called from the bedroom and told me to log off and come and pick up the soap I dropped in the shower.

[BlueinBosnia]

who will the scoucers blame?

The Sun.

That made me laugh, at least.

[BlueinBosnia]

For me Racism and Homophobia are separate things and to consider them as the same IMO is wrong.Racism in my opinion is a much bigger issue and more of a problem.

Explain...

The way I see it is that there would be very few occasions that somebody who is gay would be spotted as different because of how they looked.Being offered to be paki bashed because of people looking at me is something I don't think many gays have been subjected to.Hearing a few hundred people make monkey noises ain't to pleasant either.
No doubt Homophobia is horrible but I don't think it as deep seated as racism.

Fair enough. Seems like a well-considered and reasonable response.

Yes and no, in my opinion.

(Sorry to get all 'academic' here...)
'Homosexuality' is a pretty recent identity thing in terms of public acceptance (probably since, say, 1986-87, and truly endorsed since the late 1990s, although that may be because of my own age and awareness). There are some gay people you wouldn't know from Adam, and then there are some 'flamers' (hate the word myself, but for the purposes of this, it has to be used). Would it then be ok to jibe at some (ie those who don't primarily associate with homosexual culture), but not those who identify as homosexual first and foremost?

I think it's too transitional a thing at the moment to have a definitive stance on. In 20 years, I think (and hope) it will be looked on as racism is now, and that we'll have 'homophobic great uncles', that we laugh at in an endearing way in the same way as we laugh at 'racist great aunts' now; not vicious people from our own generation, but the lesser-educated people from bygone days.

At the same time a stance needs to be made. That's through education, in my opinion, not through drawing a line (which so many on here seem to be against and would probably rebel against were it to be enforced).

Can I ask some of the older people on here how racist chants made their way out of the terraces? Was it through younger people coming through, dawning acceptance, or some kind of blanket ban?

[DoomMerchant]

For me Racism and Homophobia are separate things and to consider them as the same IMO is wrong.Racism in my opinion is a much bigger issue and more of a problem.

Explain...

The way I see it is that there would be very few occasions that somebody who is gay would be spotted as different because of how they looked.Being offered to be paki bashed because of people looking at me is something I don't think many gays have been subjected to.Hearing a few hundred people make monkey noises ain't to pleasant either.
No doubt Homophobia is horrible but I don't think it as deep seated as racism.

Fair enough. Seems like a well-considered and reasonable response.

Yes and no, in my opinion.

(Sorry to get all 'academic' here...)
'Homosexuality' is a pretty recent identity thing in terms of public acceptance (probably since, say, 1986-87, and truly endorsed since the late 1990s, although that may be because of my own age and awareness). There are some gay people you wouldn't know from Adam, and then there are some 'flamers' (hate the word myself, but for the purposes of this, it has to be used). Would it then be ok to jibe at some (ie those who don't primarily associate with homosexual culture), but not those who identify as homosexual first and foremost?

I think it's too transitional a thing at the moment to have a definitive stance on. In 20 years, I think (and hope) it will be looked on as racism is now, and that we'll have 'homophobic great uncles', that we laugh at in an endearing way in the same way as we laugh at 'racist great aunts' now; not vicious people from our own generation, but the lesser-educated people from bygone days.

At the same time a stance needs to be made. That's through education, in my opinion, not through drawing a line (which so many on here seem to be against and would probably rebel against were it to be enforced).

Can I ask some of the older people on here how racist chants made their way out of the terraces? Was it through younger people coming through, dawning acceptance, or some kind of blanket ban?

i don't think banning blankets is the right thing to do in order to get rid of songs you don't like. It gets cold sometimes, and...well...

cheers

p.s. most racists are homophobes but not all homophobes are racists.

[BlueinBosnia]

p.s. most racists are homophobes but not all homophobes are racists.

But that's the thing: it's a step further down the road of acceptance, to the tree of understanding, under which the rainbow children sit (while their mother is off getting serviced by the bikers of conservativism after drinking a quart of moonshine. But that's incidental).