The Mancini Effect

[Beefymcfc]

Is Taggart Getting A Little Flustered?

Dough nuts: Manchester United's Ferguson slams Manchester City and Chelsea over money-spinning end-of-season US tour
12 Apr 2013 22:30

"I'm surprised to see that. I wouldn’t ever do it - players need to get their rest"

Sir Alex Ferguson has accused Manchester City and Chelsea of putting greed before the good of their players, writes David McDonnell.

City and Chelsea are to play each other twice on a money-spinning tour of the United States, in St Louis and in New York, just days after the domestic season ends.

Manchester United boss Ferguson reckons the motive for the trip is purely financial and claimed players need rest at the end of a gruelling season - not more games.

“I wouldn’t ever do it, I must admit,” said the Scot, as champions-elect United prepared for Sunday's trip to Stoke. “I was surprised to see they were playing two games at the end of May.

“But that can only be because of whatever financial gains they’re getting out of it, obviously.

“They’re the two richest clubs as well. They need the money!

“I wouldn’t do it. I think players need to get their rest at the end of the season.”

Ferguson will take United on a three-week-long pre-season tour to Thailand, Australia, Japan and Hong Kong in a bid to meet the demands of their worldwide fan base, but they will play their final game of the season on May 19.

City manager Roberto Mancini accepts the timing of his team’s post-season tour - from May 20-26 - was not ideal, but said he and his players will take a relaxed approach to the trip.

“Usually I don’t like this, because when you finish the season, it’s finished,” said Mancini. “But for me, going to New York is like going on holiday.

“We go to play two games because it’s important for the club but I don’t like to go on tour after the championship because players [need a rest].”

Ferguson also hit back at Mancini for accusing teams of rolling over against United this season and allowing them to build a 12-point lead in the title race.

“I think that’s absolute nonsense,” said Ferguson. “The English game is the most honest in the world and has been for many years.

“There’s no way any team could come to Old Trafford and not do their best. That also applies to the Etihad, Stamford Bridge, the Emirates or Anfield.

“They all do their best because that’s that’s the nature of the English game. So it’s absolute nonsense what he said.

“He [Mancini] was maybe looking for a bit of self-sympathy or something like that. But it’s nonsense.”

A lot of reaffirming from the old piss-can there. Does he protesteth too much ;-)

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

I'll raise you:

Manchester United declare attendances far higher than police figures
• Average disparity between club and police figures is 10,000
• Club count tickets sold rather than fans through turnstiles

Daniel Taylor
The Guardian, Friday 12 April 2013 19.40 BST

According to the club 75,498 fans watched Manchester United lose to Machester City at Old Trafford on 8 April. Photograph: Jon Super/AP
Manchester United are adding as many as 24,000 fans on to crowd attendances compared with the actual number of people watching games at Old Trafford, according to police data.

Sir Alex Ferguson's team have not had a single crowd over 70,000 for a league match, police say, not taking in Monday's game against Manchester City. The club, in contrast, recorded attendances in excess of 75,000 every time. Instead Greater Manchester police's figures claim the average crowd for league matches, excluding City, is 10,000 below what the club say. The police records state it is 65,601 rather than the official figure of 75,527. In all competitions it is 61,739 rather than the club's 73,653.

United are still the best-supported club in England by some distance but the new set of figures claim Old Trafford was not even half-full for the Capital One Cup tie against Newcastle in September. The police recorded the number of people who passed through the turnstiles at 33,409. United gave the crowd as 46,358. In the next round, against West Ham, the disparity was even bigger. The police put down the crowd as 51,724, whereas United recorded it as 71,081.

When United played Cluj in the Champions League in December, having qualified for the knockout stages, the crowd was announced as 71,521. In fact, the police say it was 46,894.

The disparity is because United, in common with other clubs, release the number of people who bought tickets, whether or not they attend. The police keep their own record of actual match-goers for safety purposes and have released the data to the Redsaway fans' website under the Freedom of Information Act.

The figures show the high number of supporters who will buy tickets for matches without going. Arsenal are among the clubs who suffer the same problem on a large scale.

United's largest crowd of the season for a league match, according to the police, was 69,933 for Liverpool's visit in January (the club put it at 75,501). The lowest was against Southampton later that month. On that occasion the official attendance was given at 75,600 when, according to the police, the genuine figure was 59,766. In other words, almost 16,000 ticket-holders stayed away.

The Real Madrid match in the Champions League attracted the one 70,000-plus attendance at Old Trafford this season, in the data. The police recorded it at 72,299 whereas United declared it was 74,959, lower than any domestic league match because of Uefa's seating restrictions.

[Tokyo Blue]

united have got a tour of Japan lined up.

[Swales4ever]

That's my favourite, SSuN:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... to-Mancini

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson hits back at Roberto Mancini

Despite City's 2-1 victory at Old Trafford on Monday they remain 12 points behind rivals United in the Premier League, with the Italian admitting after the game they have no chance of retaining their crown.

Mancini had claimed one of the reasons why United have such a strong advantage is that their opponents play with fear against them and are not convinced they can win.

"That's absolute nonsense. He was maybe looking for a bit of self-sympathy or something like that."
Sir Alex Ferguson
But Ferguson has questioned that assertion, insisting opposition sides always give their all against United.

[highlight]"That's absolute nonsense. He was maybe looking for a bit of self-sympathy or something like that,"[/highlight]said Ferguson.

"We all recognise the English game is the most honest in the world and has been for many years.

"At Norwich this season the energy their two wide players expended was phenomenal. They ran 100 miles. That's an example of the Premier League.

"And the Reading game, when it went to 3-2, I thought we were going to lose.

"There are a lot of games I've watched this season, when I've said to myself 'are they trying?' - of course they're trying.

"These teams have 3,000 fans following them away from home. There is no way they could come to Old Trafford and not do their best. That also applies itself to the Etihad, Stamford Bridge, the Emirates or Anfield.

[highlight]"That is the nature of the English game."[/highlight] [to lick Manure out!]

laughing my arse rolling on the floor
tick tock

[Alex Sapphire]

This was my favorite bit:

"Ferguson will take United on a three-week-long pre-season tour to Thailand, Australia, Japan and Hong Kong in a bid to meet the demands of their worldwide fan base"

whereas we do it for the money.
they are such a charitable set of fucjkers

[Beefymcfc]

united have got a tour of Japan lined up.

I think that's the irony of the story. Piss-can has a go at us for having an early holiday in NY saying we are basically being greedy yet he's got a 3 week tour of Asia to 'appease the foreign Rag fans'.

Funny how they can spin this stuff.

I do wonder though, does Mancini call him for advice?

[Dameerto]

united have got a tour of Japan lined up.

I think that's the irony of the story. Piss-can has a go at us for having an early holiday in NY saying we are basically being greedy yet he's got a 3 week tour of Asia to 'appease the foreign Rag fans'.

Funny how they can spin this stuff.

I do wonder though, does Mancini call him for advice?

"So which polish works best on our league and FA cup trophies?"

[Beefymcfc]

united have got a tour of Japan lined up.

I think that's the irony of the story. Piss-can has a go at us for having an early holiday in NY saying we are basically being greedy yet he's got a 3 week tour of Asia to 'appease the foreign Rag fans'.

Funny how they can spin this stuff.

I do wonder though, does Mancini call him for advice?

"So which polish works best on our league and FA cup trophies?"

Cheeky ;-)

[IanWright]

Haven't been on here in a while, and many apologies if this sentiment has been echoed before, but I really think it's commendable how the owners of Man City have stuck with Roberto Mancini through this campaign (and many others I might add). If you think about the opportunities they have had to sack Mancini this season- the early CL exit, the home defeat to the unmentionables, the defeat to Southampton to fall further behind in the title race- it is refreshing to see that this current ownership are not being rash.

In all honesty, they invested a great deal of faith in Mark Hughes, too. He was at the club slightly longer than anyone would have expected (case in point- he has never even been mentioned for a big job since) and it was only after a succession of drawn games that he was shown the door.

It's this sort of patience that is hardly ever mentioned. The day Manchester City and Mancini part company, no doubt SSN will gleefully report this with some twat like Tony Gale sitting in the studio quoting, verbatim, that managers "aren't given enough time".

[bluechester]

Haven't been on here in a while, and many apologies if this sentiment has been echoed before, but I really think it's commendable how the owners of Man City have stuck with Roberto Mancini through this campaign (and many others I might add). If you think about the opportunities they have had to sack Mancini this season- the early CL exit, the home defeat to the unmentionables, the defeat to Southampton to fall further behind in the title race- it is refreshing to see that this current ownership are not being rash.

In all honesty, they invested a great deal of faith in Mark Hughes, too. He was at the club slightly longer than anyone would have expected (case in point- he has never even been mentioned for a big job since) and it was only after a succession of drawn games that he was shown the door.

It's this sort of patience that is hardly ever mentioned. The day Manchester City and Mancini part company, no doubt SSN will gleefully report this with some twat like Tony Gale sitting in the studio quoting, verbatim, that managers "aren't given enough time".

well said, i have been thinking this for a while the only people who want mancini sacked are the press, when/if it does happen they will be all over it stating the owners not giving the manager time etc etc, yet they will be the ones promoting this, every week a new story comes out of which manager is going to taking over, yet I feel mancini will be in charge next season. the negative slant the press give city is way over the top

[Socrates]

Haven't been on here in a while, and many apologies if this sentiment has been echoed before, but I really think it's commendable how the owners of Man City have stuck with Roberto Mancini through this campaign (and many others I might add). If you think about the opportunities they have had to sack Mancini this season- the early CL exit, the home defeat to the unmentionables, the defeat to Southampton to fall further behind in the title race- it is refreshing to see that this current ownership are not being rash.

In all honesty, they invested a great deal of faith in Mark Hughes, too. He was at the club slightly longer than anyone would have expected (case in point- he has never even been mentioned for a big job since) and it was only after a succession of drawn games that he was shown the door.

It's this sort of patience that is hardly ever mentioned. The day Manchester City and Mancini part company, no doubt SSN will gleefully report this with some twat like Tony Gale sitting in the studio quoting, verbatim, that managers "aren't given enough time".

well said, i have been thinking this for a while the only people who want mancini sacked are the press,

and some complete dimwits and arseholes on here...

[carl_feedthegoat]

Haven't been on here in a while, and many apologies if this sentiment has been echoed before, but I really think it's commendable how the owners of Man City have stuck with Roberto Mancini through this campaign (and many others I might add). If you think about the opportunities they have had to sack Mancini this season- the early CL exit, the home defeat to the unmentionables, the defeat to Southampton to fall further behind in the title race- it is refreshing to see that this current ownership are not being rash.

In all honesty, they invested a great deal of faith in Mark Hughes, too. He was at the club slightly longer than anyone would have expected (case in point- he has never even been mentioned for a big job since) and it was only after a succession of drawn games that he was shown the door.

It's this sort of patience that is hardly ever mentioned. The day Manchester City and Mancini part company, no doubt SSN will gleefully report this with some twat like Tony Gale sitting in the studio quoting, verbatim, that managers "aren't given enough time".

well said, i have been thinking this for a while the only people who want mancini sacked are the press,

and some complete dimwits and arseholes on here...

[Beefymcfc]

He's got a way of winding people up. Glad it's kicked in again.

Beating the Rags in their backyard and now the Final of the FA Cup. Been a good couple of weeks, ain't it.

[Original Dub]

He's got a way of winding people up. Glad it's kicked in again.

Beating the Rags in their backyard and now the Final of the FA Cup. Been a good couple of weeks, ain't it.

Amen

[Blue Since 76]

and some complete dimwits and arseholes on here...

Or people with an opinion. Take your pick.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

He's got a way of winding people up. Glad it's kicked in again.

Beating the Rags in their backyard and now the Final of the FA Cup. Been a good couple of weeks, ain't it.

I doubt that he would have been sacked anyway but it is (still) very important in the great scheme of things that we have a top finish to the season.The FA Cup is significant in that bur so also is winning both big games (like the scum at the swamp plus Chelsea at Wembley) and also the so called easy ones which have bitten us on the bum this season.

We need to beat Wigan now in the league and make it 3 out of 3 in the tough ones by beating Spurs at WHL

[Blue Since 76]

Haven't been on here in a while, and many apologies if this sentiment has been echoed before, but I really think it's commendable how the owners of Man City have stuck with Roberto Mancini through this campaign (and many others I might add). If you think about the opportunities they have had to sack Mancini this season- the early CL exit, the home defeat to the unmentionables, the defeat to Southampton to fall further behind in the title race- it is refreshing to see that this current ownership are not being rash.

In all honesty, they invested a great deal of faith in Mark Hughes, too. He was at the club slightly longer than anyone would have expected (case in point- he has never even been mentioned for a big job since) and it was only after a succession of drawn games that he was shown the door.

It's this sort of patience that is hardly ever mentioned. The day Manchester City and Mancini part company, no doubt SSN will gleefully report this with some twat like Tony Gale sitting in the studio quoting, verbatim, that managers "aren't given enough time".

Glad someone outside the club sees the agenda against Mancini. And how useless Hughes was - we got grief for sacking him yet Fulham didn't want to keep him and QPR got rid

I'm pretty sure the owners are ruthless and would replace him of they thought it was an upgrade. But it won't be down to one result, positive or negative, no matter what the press may say.

[Swales4ever]

Haven't been on here in a while, and many apologies if this sentiment has been echoed before, but I really think it's commendable how the owners of Man City have stuck with Roberto Mancini through this campaign (and many others I might add). If you think about the opportunities they have had to sack Mancini this season- the early CL exit, the home defeat to the unmentionables, the defeat to Southampton to fall further behind in the title race- it is refreshing to see that this current ownership are not being rash.

In all honesty, they invested a great deal of faith in Mark Hughes, too. He was at the club slightly longer than anyone would have expected (case in point- he has never even been mentioned for a big job since) and it was only after a succession of drawn games that he was shown the door.

It's this sort of patience that is hardly ever mentioned. The day Manchester City and Mancini part company, no doubt SSN will gleefully report this with some twat like Tony Gale sitting in the studio quoting, verbatim, that managers "aren't given enough time".

Glad someone outside the club sees the agenda against Mancini. And how useless Hughes was - we got grief for sacking him yet Fulham didn't want to keep him and QPR got rid

I'm pretty sure the owners are ruthless and would replace him of they thought it was an upgrade. But it won't be down to one result, positive or negative, no matter what the press may say.

Some of us would rather tell that this is a shocking proposition, from someone who has never brought anything of note to debates.... as I was told for having said pretty the same - pretty evident truth - over the last 3 years.

I wouldn't call an against Mancini agenda though, rather than an against City progress agenda. The same witch hunting shite would have flourished on the rags loving media if Khaldoon had hired Ancelotti or any other manager able to ensure that the ADUG Investment (and menace to the Beloved Rags establishment) could have made efficient.

It's just a pity that NQDP is so busy with the parenthood nowadays. No one is better on make this point with his flamboyant wind-ups.

[Blue Since 76]

Some of us would rather tell that this is a shocking proposition, from someone who has never brought anything of note to debates.... as I was told for having said pretty the same - pretty evident truth - over the last 3 years.

I wouldn't call an against Mancini agenda though, rather than an against City progress agenda. The same witch hunting shite would have flourished on the rags loving media if Khaldoon had hired Ancelotti or any other manager able to ensure that the ADUG Investment (and menace to the Beloved Rags establishment) could have made efficient.

It's just a pity that NQDP is so busy with the parenthood nowadays. No one is better on make this point with his flamboyant wind-ups.

Yes, it's anti-City rather than anti-Mancini, in the main and a lot of it stems from when we sacked Hughes and more importantly, that we didn't tip the press off beforehand, worse, we led them to believe he wouldn't be sacked making many of them look stupid.

That said, if we'd hired Redknapp instead of Mancini, I think we'd have had the press more on our side because they love him so.

[City64]

Lots of questions being asked about taggert now by rag fans , it has gone full circle very quickly . Too old and time to bow out seems to be the theme now ;)