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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Chopper » Wed May 08, 2013 11:15 pm

Quite Enjoyed This;


Goodbye Alex Ferguson, and good riddance
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Over the next few days, we’ll all have to swallow gallons of journalistic effluvium about the great Alex Ferguson, who announced his resignation this morning. We will be told about the legendary gum-chewing manager who transformed humble, working-class Manchester United into a world-topping global brand. We should, however, be expressing relief that a man who has done so much damage to English football is at last quitting.

First off, we now have the cheering possibility that Manchester United’s boring dominance of top-flight football will finally end. This year they won the Premier League without at any stage playing all that well. Other teams just couldn’t get their act together. This makes a mockery of the Premier League’s claim to be the best in the world.

Man U have been impressive to watch, of course – they always are. Sir Alex’s sides play good attacking football, most of the time. But their relentless success – and the media’s excessive reverence towards it – is now tedious and frustrating.
There’s a darker side to Fergie’s legacy, too. Sir Alex helped cultivate the with-us-or-against-us, win-at-all-costs mentality that has taken over English football – and removed whatever tiny vestiges of sporting decency might have been left in the national game. Fergie’s Manchester United taught the rest of English football how to bully the ref. The sight of pig-thick footballers surrounding match officials, screaming and gesticulating psychotically, their faces twisted in mindless indignation, is now an integral part of the Premier League circus, and every team does it. But Man U mastered the act before anyone else.

Manchester United's Phil Neville (2nd L)

Can you remember Alex Ferguson ever criticising his players for foul play? Nope, me neither. I can, however, recall him standing by Roy Keane after he admitted conducting a pre-meditated assault on Alf-Inge Haaland.

And let’s not forget his outrageous arrogance towards the BBC, which had the temerity to produce a documentary about Manchester United’s business dealings with his son Jason. Ferguson refused to talk to the Beeb for eight years – even though the Beeb pay huge amounts of money for the broadcasting rights of Premier League highlights. He only gave up his protest after football’s authorities threatened to fine Man U every time their manager refused to be interviewed. It’s hard to imagine that, with any lesser manager, the league would have taken so long to act.

In the post-match interviews he does give, Sir Alex is notoriously sulky and ungracious. He says the worst side won if his side lost. Last year, after United were knocked out of the Champions League by Bayern Munich, he even accused the German team of influencing the referee. Ha!

Perhaps you think football is too money-orientated these days. Well again, Ferguson ought to take some blame. Roman Abramovich’s Chelsea and Sheikh Mansour’s Man City may have bought their way to success, but they were only imitating United’s heavy spending tactics. It was Fergie who, after missing out on Rio Ferdinand for a transfer-record breaking £18 million in 2000, signed him two years later for a staggering £30 million.

So cheerio Fergie. No doubt you are the most remarkable manager in the history of English football. But I for one won’t miss you – not a jot.
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Goataldo » Wed May 08, 2013 11:15 pm

Green & Blue wrote:What a great day its been.Its been a long time coming.It will be weird without him at the helm indimidating people, telling lies and bending the rules to gain every advantage he can on his opponents pretty much by whatever means he can.I have an incredible dislike for the man and how he operates but you still have to regognise his achievements.So glad City got to turn things around and become great again while he was still in charge.I will never forget the look on his face the moment he realised we had clinched the league title in the most dramatic style.I'm glad we all got to see that.


Beautifully put.
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby phips » Thu May 09, 2013 12:35 am

Goataldo wrote:
Green & Blue wrote:What a great day its been.Its been a long time coming.It will be weird without him at the helm indimidating people, telling lies and bending the rules to gain every advantage he can on his opponents pretty much by whatever means he can.I have an incredible dislike for the man and how he operates but you still have to regognise his achievements.So glad City got to turn things around and become great again while he was still in charge.I will never forget the look on his face the moment he realised we had clinched the league title in the most dramatic style.I'm glad we all got to see that.


Beautifully put.


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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby ant london » Thu May 09, 2013 4:37 am

Fucking great news


Adios you pissed up tramp. I shall not miss your utter lack of good sportsmanship, your bitter antics or your sozzled McFace...next stop jelly and ice cream hopefully
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby aaron bond » Thu May 09, 2013 5:25 am

I honestly thought United would go for Mourinho as they wouldn't want to take any risks on their chances of success, but looks like it is going to be Moyes.

I do think that's a risk for them, but obviously good news for us! Moyes may have done well keeping Everton in the top half of the table with limited resources, but the reality is he's never won a trophy. Generally all top managers have won trophies by their early 40s, even if manager a smaller club, or one struggling in the league. By not winning even the League Cup, you have to question his ability at the top level. Obviously, he'll have huge amounts to spend now and that will make a difference, but there will be doubts on whether he can maintain the level of success they expect.

Another factor is his ability to attract top players. Granted, United are one of the most successful clubs in Europe, but Moyes won't be that well-known outside of the UK - a lot of that to do with the fact he's never won anything. Some United fans I know are quite concerned by this.

Overall, this appointment is good for us, and will be for Chelsea too. I seriously doubt Moyes will be able to improve United over what Taggart achieved with them. Providing we get our summer transfer dealings done correctly and early, we should be in a great position to get back to the top of the table next season.
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Blue Oli » Thu May 09, 2013 6:07 am

It's nice to see the MUEN keeping it low level on this and keeping it to a small section today - 32 friggin pages ?????
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Dunnylad » Thu May 09, 2013 6:10 am

As I said to the mrs last night, fuck knows what the coverage will be like when he dies - probably a state fucking funeral, a day off work, recall of parliament (because he's bound to shuffle off the mortal coil when they are on holiday) and then a minutes silence at every match that us, red scousers, Leeds et al will all abuse and be pilloried by the rag loving press
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Fesan » Thu May 09, 2013 6:49 am

Ah, the great feeling of being right.

I said last summer that they bought RVP to give Ferguson a last title and if he won the PL this season he'd retire. The coward knows it might be a while untill next time.

If I were RVP I'd be feeling tricked and wonder if I did go to the right place. Would LOVE it if one PL medal is all he gets out of the move:-P

When it comes to Moyes I too am surprised, thought the owners would want to make sure of continued success with Mou. I think Moyes' biggest challenge will be to have authority over the dressing room. If things go badly the first 6 months there could be a Chelsea type situation where the players seize power and gets a manager fired.
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Lee_R » Thu May 09, 2013 6:59 am

Be top if Mancini came out with...

'Moyes?... haha not in my lifetime'.



In other news...

My Facebook mate... 'For a Blue, you've got the most Fergie/Moyes/United status updates than anyone else.'

Me... 'I know. Drink it in! Thats coz Im celebrating and your lot are signing Moyes.'
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Dipstick » Thu May 09, 2013 7:00 am

Another one worth reading
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The football-related media is in a frenzy of mourning today after the announcement that Sir Alex Taggart has decided to step down as Supreme Dictator of the FA Premier League. Who will follow him, they ask, tearing their hair and wringing their hands in distress. Chelsea fans may be surprised to hear that Bridge-bound Jose Mourinho is being mentioned as inheritor of the poisoned chalice that is the hot-seat at the Theatre of Hollow Myths. But Jose is surely too fly and savvy to "do a McGuinness" as the task of following a long-serving Man U manager is known in the game. Everton fans too may be wondering whether David Moyes will be offered the chance to step into the role of "Premier League's Token Grumpy Scotch Git." Whoever ends up in Mr Ferguson's gout-adapted tartan slippers has a job on his hands alright, and will need urgently to review the manual on "How To Bully and Intimidate For Personal and Professional Gain".

The loss for the media will be acute. Hacks as a breed dearly love the cosy familiarity of a tyrant at the top of the game, someone who is an outlet for all of their natural tendency to fawning sycophancy, a figurehead over whom they can compete to praise in the most glowing terms whilst neatly overlooking the glaring flaws of a man who has been a study in coarseness and choleric wrath when things even threaten to go other than as he would like. The newspaper journos will miss "S'ralex" - he represented continuity for them, an opportunity to trot out well-worn cliches and perpetuate comfortable myths. Now they may even have to think before starting another Man U piece - it will be a shock to be so brutally jolted out of a 26 year comfort zone.

Ferguson has his place in the history of the game. He will serve as the biggest negative example of how to ruin the previously positive image of a historically-respected football club, making of them a byword for arrogance and the tendency to ride roughshod over the rules and conventions of the game. He is there as a useful comparator for the true greats of football and how they went about their business, with humour, humility and a sense of their own fallibility. The likes of Busby, Shankly, Revie, Stein, Nicholson et al are all part of the rich fabric of the game, all lost to us now, but all clearly capable of favourable assessment in the light of the Ferguson legacy; none will suffer in comparison with the man from Govan.

People will point to his record of success - and sycophants and revisionists will hastily gloss over his difficult early years at Man U when the home crowd called for his head and despaired of ever being able to aspire to the levels of Liverpool and Everton, great clubs run properly. The re-organisation of the game and its finances when the Premier League came in was highly opportune for Ferguson, and he certainly made hay while the sun shone; it shone for him for the bulk of the remaining 20 years of his career. Ferguson suddenly found himself in charge of a racehorse competing in a donkey derby, the interests of consumers suddenly paramount, the need to sell satellite dishes and replica shirts in hotbeds of Man U support like Devon and Milton Keynes emphasising the commercial importance of a successful Man U team.

All of a sudden, the top players wanted to go to Salford, all of a sudden the statistics of the game tilted heavily in Ferguson's favour. Penalties against them had never been plentiful, now they were as rare as a rosebush in the desert. Ferguson's natural personality came to the fore; his tendency to bully and to rant began to produce real results in terms of the attitude of the media and of the game's officials, both on the field in the shape of cowed and terrified referees, and off it with the administrators unwilling to court commercial unpopularity by waving the rule book under that purple nose. The most familiar sound-bite emanating from Lancaster Gate was suddenly "The FA can confirm that Alex Ferguson will face no disciplinary action for (insert example of blatant disregard for the rules here.)"

Referees became aware of the fact that those of their number who made a decision not to the liking of Ferguson tended to wait a very long time before selection for another fixture involving Man U. These are high profile games, and referees increasingly had to look to their own career prospects as their role assumed more of a professional profile. So they tended to knuckle under, perhaps only subconsciously, but the effect over many years has been enough bizarrely ridiculous decisions in favour of Man U to spoil the digestion of many a football fan who remembers fairer days pre-Murdoch, pre-Man U dominance.

Given this decided slope of the playing field in Man U's favour, the wonder of it all is that they haven't won more. There have been years when the Title has gone elsewhere; remarkable this, in a game of fine margins where one study exposed as fact that 88% of all 50-50 decisions went the way of the Salford Franchise. This is the measure of Ferguson's failure; a manager who was also a good coach would surely have cleaned up in such a very favourable environment.

So what now for Man U? To be honest, I can see their domination continuing. It's likely that the public image of the club will be enhanced under a manager who does not represent quite so many of the negative personality traits exhibited by Ferguson. It will certainly be interesting to see if a world-renowned coach - if appointed - can improve on their patchy record in Europe, where Ferguson's habit of intimidating refs has not been such a marked advantage to them. Two somewhat lucky Champions League wins is a poor return for twenty years of almost unlimited opportunity, and a better man in charge might perhaps improve on this and finally give Man U more justification for their laughable claims that they have "knocked Liverpool (Five European Cups) off their perch."

The question will be asked next season "Who's the greatest manager in football now?" The answer will be the same as this season: choose any one from Mourinho, Wenger and Hitzfeld. All the propaganda in the world cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Im_Spartacus » Thu May 09, 2013 7:04 am

Jeez, I like the article but it does sound seriously bitter
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Dronny » Thu May 09, 2013 8:39 am

Just read an online Guardian article about the old coont and some of his quotes, there were a couple that made me laugh.....On Chuckle 1 he said if he was an inch taller he'd be the best CB in the country. His Dad was 6ft2" so I'd check the milkman. The other was "Felipe Inzhagi, he was born offside"
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby zuricity » Thu May 09, 2013 8:42 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:Jeez, I like the article but it does sound seriously bitter


we've got Mancini. you've signed gollum oh oh ! gollum oh oh, gollum oh oh !! and so on
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Rag_hater » Thu May 09, 2013 3:40 pm

Seems like some well balanced articles have been posted in this thread people not venting their spleens at all.
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby bigblue » Thu May 09, 2013 3:59 pm

Rag_hater wrote:Seems like some well balanced articles have been posted in this thread people not venting their spleens at all.


And you're being a typical cunt. Alls normal
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby City64 » Thu May 09, 2013 4:27 pm

Its fucking ace

and were in the FA cup final aswell ....... does it get any better than this ? lmfbo
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Swales4ever » Thu May 09, 2013 5:26 pm

Cracking read, Dipstick.
cheers for sharing.

Great to see some useful information to unveil the bigot cheating model of success.

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


In Roger Ailes/Donnie Drumpf's words: "don't know it for a fact, but many people say so..."
there must be some truth, then!
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Original Dub » Thu May 09, 2013 5:27 pm

Green & Blue wrote:What a great day its been.Its been a long time coming.It will be weird without him at the helm indimidating people, telling lies and bending the rules to gain every advantage he can on his opponents pretty much by whatever means he can.I have an incredible dislike for the man and how he operates but you still have to regognise his achievements.So glad City got to turn things around and become great again while he was still in charge.I will never forget the look on his face the moment he realised we had clinched the league title in the most dramatic style.I'm glad we all got to see that.


What a beautiful post.
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Dameerto » Thu May 09, 2013 5:36 pm

There was something inevitable about Gollum signing for the RAGs - he was just waiting for the ring.
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Re: Time for the bouncy castle?

Postby Rag_hater » Thu May 09, 2013 6:09 pm

bigblue wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:Seems like some well balanced articles have been posted in this thread people not venting their spleens at all.


And you're being a typical cunt. Alls normal


And you qualify for the deluded expert nob. Alls normal.
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