pellegrini

[Guy Debord]

This will be all about a power struggle if anything...remember when Mancini joined, there was only Cook and Khaldoon, both non football men, Cook was mainly an administrator, and facilitator for Mancini. So Mancini was given carte blanche regarding training, transfers, team policy etc.

Now, the two Spaniards have been brought to oversea the structure and implement a template for how the whole club runs, including training, style of play and transfers. Mancini, who has been successful at doing things his way, suddenly feels he is strangled by club policies. He quite rightly, still wants control over certain aspects.

The two upstairs, have been brought to do a job, and they need their ideas to be implemented, but in Mancini, they have a manager who sees things a different way. It could be said that so far Txiki Begiristain and Soriano, so far haven't had their programmes tested because of Mancini.. this is not about results and success, but about power, and the club structure.

Pellegrini is seen as a facilitator for the two upstairs, someone who can put through, their ideas and implement their template..Why bring these two in, if they were going to be another Cook? Rightly or wrongly, this is my take...it's not about results and achievements so far, as Mancini has more or less delivered, but Mancini is not a man to compromise over his ways, and he will see his position greatly stifled.

smart. nicely put. mancini's stubbornness is one of the big issues that i have with him.

With all due respect, this is some fantasy you're having here. Mancini wanted Marwood replaced and he got it. I can't imagine he was complaining to see Begiristain come in. You don't know Mancini and the Spaniards don't see things the same way or that Mancini 'feels strangled'. There's a lot of creative writing going on since we had a meeting with Isco's agent.

[MilnersJaw]

Is this guy better than mancini though? Doesn't seem to have won anything. Would prefer klopp lol.

[Blue Since 76]

Interesting interview with a Spain based journalist tonight on TalkSport (well it passed a couple of minutes on the M6). He was talking about Pellegrini and what sort of manager he is. Apparently he was heavily linked with Barca previously due to how he works in setting clubs up with a way of playing that all the teams follow.

Made me feel more positive towards him, although the lack of a trophy to date would be a worry.

[Beefymcfc]

Interesting interview with a Spain based journalist tonight on TalkSport (well it passed a couple of minutes on the M6). He was talking about Pellegrini and what sort of manager he is. Apparently he was heavily linked with Barca previously due to how he works in setting clubs up with a way of playing that all the teams follow.

Made me feel more positive towards him, although the lack of a trophy to date would be a worry.

The next Wenger then?

[Lee_R]

So I woke up with something in my head..

IF IF IF BIG IF they replace Mancini. I'm thinking were on the verge of a huge spending spree and Trixi and Soprano have realised Mancini doesnt get the best out of his players.. (this fact cannot be argued) so theyre planning on replacing him with someone who does and then bringing in some huge talent.. maybe a couple of signings. Pallegrini works well with south american players.. we have 3 important south american players. He works with their style so it makes some sense.

Real Madrid did the same thing when they spent a crazy £200m on Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema etc. Pallegrini was then installed to coach the best out of them, note: no dictating who they brought in, no arguments. This resulted in RM obtaining their highest points tally ever (97), yet still finishing 2nd. 2nd to a club run by our two fellows.

How can that be a bad thing?

Keep the faith.. its going to be a long ride (either way).

[Beefymcfc]

So I woke up with something in my head..

IF IF IF BIG IF they replace Mancini. I'm thinking were on the verge of a huge spending spree and Trixi and Soprano have realised Mancini doesnt get the best out of his players.. (this fact cannot be argued) so theyre planning on replacing him with someone who does and then bringing in some huge talent.. maybe a couple of signings. Pallegrini works well with south american players.. we have 3 important south american players. He works with their style so it makes some sense.

Real Madrid did the same thing when they spent a crazy £200m on Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema etc. Pallegrini was then installed to coach the best out of them, note: no dictating who they brought in, no arguments. This resulted in RM obtaining their highest points tally ever (97), yet still finishing 2nd. 2nd to a club run by our too fellows.

How can that be a bad thing?

Keep the faith.. its going to be a long ride (either way).

I think Soriano had already left by then mate. However, when you look at the squad he inherited and the players that came in then you'd have to say 96 points was good but it was inevitable against the rest of the league. Where they lost it was against Barca who beat them home and away. They only lost 2 other games that season and drew another 3.

They were also knocked out of the Copa Del Rey at the first round and went out at the first knockout stage against Lyon in the CL. They did win their group though against Milan, Marseille and Zurich but wouldn't that be expected against those teams?

For me he didn't come up to expectation whilst at Real but has done a fine job at Malaga. Some of his time there has been a real balancing act with all the problems surrounding the club. It's just his lack of success that worries me. It's OK to say he's a good man-manager but couldn't get the best out of those with big ego's and when the big games came he/they were found wanting.

Nothing against the bloke, just don't think he's good enough for where we want to be.

[Lee_R]

So I woke up with something in my head..

IF IF IF BIG IF they replace Mancini. I'm thinking were on the verge of a huge spending spree and Trixi and Soprano have realised Mancini doesnt get the best out of his players.. (this fact cannot be argued) so theyre planning on replacing him with someone who does and then bringing in some huge talent.. maybe a couple of signings. Pallegrini works well with south american players.. we have 3 important south american players. He works with their style so it makes some sense.

Real Madrid did the same thing when they spent a crazy £200m on Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema etc. Pallegrini was then installed to coach the best out of them, note: no dictating who they brought in, no arguments. This resulted in RM obtaining their highest points tally ever (97), yet still finishing 2nd. 2nd to a club run by our too fellows.

How can that be a bad thing?

Keep the faith.. its going to be a long ride (either way).

I think Soriano had already left by then mate. However, when you look at the squad he inherited and the players that came in then you'd have to say 96 points was good but it was inevitable against the rest of the league. Where they lost it was against Barca who beat them home and away. They only lost 2 other games that season and drew another 3.

They were also knocked out of the Copa Del Rey at the first round and went out at the first knockout stage against Lyon in the CL. They did win their group though against Milan, Marseille and Zurich but wouldn't that be expected against those teams?

For me he didn't come up to expectation whilst at Real but has done a fine job at Malaga. Some of his time there has been a real balancing act with all the problems surrounding the club. It's just his lack of success that worries me. It's OK to say he's a good man-manager but couldn't get the best out of those with big ego's and when the big games came he/they were found wanting.

Nothing against the bloke, just don't think he's good enough for where we want to be.

He didnt come up to expectation at Real? 96 points?.. I'd snap your hands off for 96 points! lol most Maderid fans didnt want him to be sacked and he was only sacked because Mourinho was available.

Importantly I think hes got what our owners are looking for CL wise and they see that with stability he could win more trophies and hes probably hungry for both those things. Just seems to tick alot of boxes for me. Infact the only box unticked is success in winning trophies.. but that doesnt matter I dont think. Bob was defeated yesterday by another manager who hadnt won anything. This guy is well thought of in Europe and definately gets teams playing.

[Benjay]

He's not well known (to us in the UK anyway) and he comes across as an unglamorous appointment hence people are wary but I trust the board and if bobby goes then I trust they have the right man.

[Risby]

He is good with man management as players have commented on his ability to guide them and coach them.
Fans love him for his work at their clubs and according to many, he exceeded expectations with both Malaga and Villarreal.
My only issue would be how he can cope with a more challenging league that he has no experience of and how he would handle the end of season run-in if it is a race to the title seeing as he has no competition success.

[Lev Bronstein]

I'm sure he's a very good manager. He has an excellent record in Spain, being unlucky to get the sack from RM, taking Villareal to the CL semis and one bad referee decision from doing the same with Malaga: both unfashionable clubs.

But the Premier League is a different beast. In Spain every team roughly plays the same style, not so over here. Plus there are greater physical demands and a tougher schedule.

I get the feeling that his appointment would be a temporary one (aren't they all though). Perhaps, as others have suggested, Laudrup's seen as a more long term prospect.

Even so, should Pellagrini be appointed, I think he'll last longer than Moyes.

[Dunnylad]

Pelligrini comes across as a good man, one who's taken teams beyond their potential, but he hasn't won a trophy or league of note & it takes an extra something to do that which is what really worries me about this rumour - if he turned up he'd get my support, but his lack of trophy winning success could become a millstone if we found ourselves no further forward - I can just imagine this place if we are in the same position next year with him in charge

[Lee_R]

Ill have one eye on Malaga v Savilla tonight.

[Nigels Tackle]

He is good with man management as players have commented on his ability to guide them and coach them.
Fans love him for his work at their clubs and according to many, he exceeded expectations with both Malaga and Villarreal.
My only issue would be how he can cope with a more challenging league that he has no experience of and how he would handle the end of season run-in if it is a race to the title seeing as he has no competition success.

a chilean redknapp??

[zuricity]

I'm sure he's a very good manager. He has an excellent record in Spain, being unlucky to get the sack from RM, taking Villareal to the CL semis and one bad referee decision from doing the same with Malaga: both unfashionable clubs.

But the Premier League is a different beast. In Spain every team roughly plays the same style, not so over here. Plus there are greater physical demands and a tougher schedule.

I get the feeling that his appointment would be a temporary one (aren't they all though). Perhaps, as others have suggested, Laudrup's seen as a more long term prospect.

Even so, should Pellagrini be appointed, I think he'll last longer than Moyes.

Lev, you and Guy talk sense, there are a few on here losing the plot and going way overboard about a manager that has won nothing.

If our owners hadn't brought Mancini in , we would not have won anything with Hughes. Ever.

Roberto has taken on Fergie and for the most part beaten him time and again.

So much that the Scum have gone to extraordinary lengths to get him their 20th title.

Now that he's disappearing, we already see the truth coming out . Even old 'Arry is having a pop at him today.

Right now is the time to get behind the organisation, management team and squad at City. We need to be looking to strengthen the squad. Only those that can be sold at a profit should go. We have a group of players seasoned in the PL
for the PL. It still needs strengthening though. Not necessarily for the PL itself but for CL and other cups.

Much is made of the Argentine trio, but I am still to be convinced that Kun enjoys playing with Carlos.

Pellegrini is, imo, not the right manager for City. We have a good one in Roberto.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

So I woke up with something in my head..

IF IF IF BIG IF they replace Mancini. I'm thinking were on the verge of a huge spending spree and Trixi and Soprano have realised Mancini doesnt get the best out of his players.. (this fact cannot be argued) so theyre planning on replacing him with someone who does and then bringing in some huge talent.. maybe a couple of signings. Pallegrini works well with south american players.. we have 3 important south american players. He works with their style so it makes some sense.

Real Madrid did the same thing when they spent a crazy £200m on Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema etc. Pallegrini was then installed to coach the best out of them, note: no dictating who they brought in, no arguments. This resulted in RM obtaining their highest points tally ever (97), yet still finishing 2nd. 2nd to a club run by our two fellows.

How can that be a bad thing?

Keep the faith.. its going to be a long ride (either way).

They spent £200 million and failed. That would be a good definition of a bad thing.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

I'm sure he's a very good manager. He has an excellent record in Spain, being unlucky to get the sack from RM, taking Villareal to the CL semis and one bad referee decision from doing the same with Malaga: both unfashionable clubs.

But the Premier League is a different beast. In Spain every team roughly plays the same style, not so over here. Plus there are greater physical demands and a tougher schedule.

I get the feeling that his appointment would be a temporary one (aren't they all though). Perhaps, as others have suggested, Laudrup's seen as a more long term prospect.

Even so, should Pellagrini be appointed, I think he'll last longer than Moyes.

Lev, you and Guy talk sense, there are a few on here losing the plot and going way overboard about a manager that has won nothing.

If our owners hadn't brought Mancini in , we would not have won anything with Hughes. Ever.

Roberto has taken on Fergie and for the most part beaten him time and again.

So much that the Scum have gone to extraordinary lengths to get him their 20th title.

Now that he's disappearing, we already see the truth coming out . Even old 'Arry is having a pop at him today.

Right now is the time to get behind the organisation, management team and squad at City. We need to be looking to strengthen the squad. Only those that can be sold at a profit should go. We have a group of players seasoned in the PL
for the PL. It still needs strengthening though. Not necessarily for the PL itself but for CL and other cups.

Much is made of the Argentine trio, but I am still to be convinced that Kun enjoys playing with Carlos.

Pellegrini is, imo, not the right manager for City. We have a good one in Roberto.

What's Cod-face said, mate?

[zuricity]

I'm sure he's a very good manager. He has an excellent record in Spain, being unlucky to get the sack from RM, taking Villareal to the CL semis and one bad referee decision from doing the same with Malaga: both unfashionable clubs.

But the Premier League is a different beast. In Spain every team roughly plays the same style, not so over here. Plus there are greater physical demands and a tougher schedule.

I get the feeling that his appointment would be a temporary one (aren't they all though). Perhaps, as others have suggested, Laudrup's seen as a more long term prospect.

Even so, should Pellagrini be appointed, I think he'll last longer than Moyes.

Lev, you and Guy talk sense, there are a few on here losing the plot and going way overboard about a manager that has won nothing.

If our owners hadn't brought Mancini in , we would not have won anything with Hughes. Ever.

Roberto has taken on Fergie and for the most part beaten him time and again.

So much that the Scum have gone to extraordinary lengths to get him their 20th title.

Now that he's disappearing, we already see the truth coming out . Even old 'Arry is having a pop at him today.

Right now is the time to get behind the organisation, management team and squad at City. We need to be looking to strengthen the squad. Only those that can be sold at a profit should go. We have a group of players seasoned in the PL
for the PL. It still needs strengthening though. Not necessarily for the PL itself but for CL and other cups.

Much is made of the Argentine trio, but I am still to be convinced that Kun enjoys playing with Carlos.

Pellegrini is, imo, not the right manager for City. We have a good one in Roberto.

What's Cod-face said, mate?

On the BBC site i'm afraid, a disgraceful web site totally biased against City ( see the snide report about Mancini today with all the links to other reports about Pellegrini )

Here Arry has a go http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22499361

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

[quote="zuricity"][/quote]
Thanks, mate.

[Clowncrete]

So I woke up with something in my head..

IF IF IF BIG IF they replace Mancini. I'm thinking were on the verge of a huge spending spree and Trixi and Soprano have realised Mancini doesnt get the best out of his players.. (this fact cannot be argued) so theyre planning on replacing him with someone who does and then bringing in some huge talent.. maybe a couple of signings. Pallegrini works well with south american players.. we have 3 important south american players. He works with their style so it makes some sense.

Real Madrid did the same thing when they spent a crazy £200m on Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema etc. Pallegrini was then installed to coach the best out of them, note: no dictating who they brought in, no arguments. This resulted in RM obtaining their highest points tally ever (97), yet still finishing 2nd. 2nd to a club run by our two fellows.

How can that be a bad thing?

Keep the faith.. its going to be a long ride (either way).

They spent £200 million and failed. That would be a good definition of a bad thing.

Galacticos is bound to fail mate. Even Mourinho has barely managed one la liga and copa del rey in 3 years that too by resorting to negative tactics. I think the board is looking at Villareal and Malaga's success under Pellegrini.

[MaineRoadMemories]

I haven't seen enough of Pelligrini to have an opinion. Does he play 4-3-3?