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Postby Green & Blue » Sun May 12, 2013 3:44 pm

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Jose Mourinho claimed he would not join Malaga if he was ousted at the Bernabeu but, 18 months on, the Chilean coach has turned the Andalusians into a big club at home and abroad

Copa Chile, 1986: Manuel Pellegrini, a rugged but accomplished central defender in the twilight of a playing career spent entirely at Universidad de Chile, attempts to head clear after his goalkeeper can only parry a cross against lowly Trasandino. But behind him, seemingly from nowhere, a sprightly teenager climbs higher to head home. Later, the veteran centre-back, beaten by a man almost half his age, reflects that his playing days are over. And so begins a brilliant career in coaching.

The scorer of that life-changing goal was a certain Ivan Zamorano, a striker who went on to grace La Liga and Serie A with Sevilla, Real Madrid and Inter, and formed a legendary partnership with Marcelo Salas for Chile. "If I had known just where he would end up," Pellegrini later admitted, "I wouldn't have retired - I would have carried on for two more years."

After some time out of the game, Pellegrini made his dugout debut in 1988 with Universidad de Chile but stepped down midway through the season to complete his coaching courses. The team were duly relegated for the first time in their history. Significant success came later at Santiago's other university team, Catolica, where Pellegrini had previously graduated as a Civil Engineer. After his playing career, he had envisaged a future in construction, but claimed the Copa Chile and the Copa Iberoamericana in his two-year spell at UC. And when failure to bring the league title brought criticism and ultimately led to his departure, El Ingeniero 'engineered' a move abroad.

Title triumphs followed at Liga de Quito in Ecuador, San Lorenzo and River Plate in Argentina, plus the Copa Mercosur with the Almagro outfit. And after those successes, Villarreal came calling. At his eighth professional club, the Chilean confectioned a spectacular side starring Juan Roman Riquelme and Diego Forlan. Pleasing on the eye, the Spanish side stuck to a passing and possession philosophy with intense pressing, guile and pausa - it was a European team with a South American feel. And in five superb seasons, Pellegrini steered the Yellow Submarine to the Champions League semi-finals (where Riquelme's missed penalty against Arsenal denied them the chance of meeting Barcelona in an all-Spanish showpiece) and three top-four finishes, including second place ahead of Frank Rijkaard's men in 2007-08.

Pellegrini was one of the coaches considered by Barca as a replacement for the departing Dutchman, but the Catalans chose Pep Guardiola instead and El Ingeniero joined Madrid a year later; the Chilean was Jorge Valdano's pick as the Argentine returned to the club alongside Florentino Perez - he would be the man to challenge Guardiola's brilliant Barca, who had won it all in 2008-09. And to do so, he was handed the most expensive squad in the history of the club, with Kaka, Cristiano Ronaldo, Xabi Alonso and Karim Benzema bought for over €200 million.

But politics played a part too and others left against Pellegrini's will, with Wesley Sneijder and Arjen Robben both sold. And humiliation in the Copa del Rey in the shape of a shocking 4-0 defeat at lowly Alcorcon saw the knives out for the Chilean. Marca began a campaign for his sacking and when Madrid failed to get past Lyon in the last 16 of the Champions League, it was all but over.

In La Liga, Pellegrini's Madrid scored 102 goals and secured the best points tally in the club's history, with 96 out of a possible 114 - four more than Jose Mourinho managed in his first season and with Cristiano Ronaldo sidelined for two months, too. But Barca retained the title with 99 and, desperate to avoid losing face following his triumphant return to the club, Perez replaced Pellegrini with the Portuguese coach - even though the Chilean had the support of most fans and the players as well.

So El Ingeniero went just as he had arrived, with dignity and respect. But he later revealed some of his frustrations in an interview with Chilean newspaper El Mercurio. "I didn't have a voice or a vote at Madrid," he said, while also regretting he had been unable to build the side he had wanted. "I can't get anything out of an orchestra if I have the 10 best guitarists but I don't have a pianist or a drummer," he added.

I can't get anything out of an orchestra if I have the 10 best guitarists but I don't have a pianist or a drummer

- Manuel Pellegrini on his time at Real Madrid

It was a familiar tune at Madrid and, unsurprisingly, the first thing Mourinho insisted would need to be changed on his arrival at the Bernabeu.

Discredited by the press and cruelly axed by Madrid, who waited until the day of Mourinho's arrival to confirm the worst-kept secret in football that summer, Pellegrini decided to rebuild his reputation at Malaga. Investment was in the pipeline but the first job was to save the Andalusian club from relegation. Back at the Bernabeu, he lost 7-0 and before the match Mourinho quipped: "If Real Madrid sack me, I won't train Malaga; I'll go to a big team in England or Italy."

Some 18 months on, however, Pellegrini has turned Malaga into a big team in Spain and beyond. After leading the Andalusians to a fourth-placed finish on the back of significant investment in 2011-12, he has steered the Costa del Sol side through stormy waters following a summer of uncertainty amid debts, player sales and unrest at unpaid wages. Santi Cazorla, their finest footballer, left for Arsenal to raise much-needed funds in August, while striker Salomon Rondon moved to Rubin Kazan.

But still Malaga marvel, sitting just a point off fourth place after 12 rounds of La Liga and in an even healthier position in Europe, proving Pellegrini is equally adept and successful at signing superstars as cutting costs. Indeed, the club's creditable point at San Siro on Matchday 4 (having already beaten AC Milan at home and won their previous two Champions League clashes) saw the Spanish side sail through to the last 16 in their very first crack at the continental competition - qualifying before both Barcelona and Madrid.

Following those achievements, Pellegrini was recently described by former full-back Rodolfo Arruabarrena as the "best coach in the world", a statement backed up by his own sporting director Mario Husillos just last week. And most Malaga fans will surely agree - even if Madrid do not.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby phips » Sun May 12, 2013 3:47 pm

Lee_R wrote:
MilnersJaw wrote:What's his English like


Apparently good.

apparently fluent
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Lee_R » Sun May 12, 2013 3:48 pm

"I can't get anything out of an orchestra if I have the 10 best guitarists but I don't have a pianist or a drummer"

- Manuel Pellegrini on his time at Real Madrid
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Re: pelligrini

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Sun May 12, 2013 3:51 pm

Lee_R wrote:"I can't get anything out of an orchestra if I have the 10 best guitarists but I don't have a pianist or a drummer"

- Manuel Pellegrini on his time at Real Madrid

Not a music fan then.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Dunnylad » Sun May 12, 2013 3:51 pm

Lee_R wrote:"I can't get anything out of an orchestra if I have the 10 best guitarists but I don't have a pianist or a drummer"

- Manuel Pellegrini on his time at Real Madrid


So he can't count as surely that should have been 9 unless one of them was Phil Collins
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Lee_R » Sun May 12, 2013 3:54 pm

Dunnylad wrote:
Lee_R wrote:"I can't get anything out of an orchestra if I have the 10 best guitarists but I don't have a pianist or a drummer"

- Manuel Pellegrini on his time at Real Madrid


So he can't count as surely that should have been 9 unless one of them was Phil Collins
LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:
Lee_R wrote:"I can't get anything out of an orchestra if I have the 10 best guitarists but I don't have a pianist or a drummer"

- Manuel Pellegrini on his time at Real Madrid

Not a music fan then.



True.. we shouldnt employ this guy.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby I Just Blue Myself » Sun May 12, 2013 3:55 pm

LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:
Lee_R wrote:"I can't get anything out of an orchestra if I have the 10 best guitarists but I don't have a pianist or a drummer"

- Manuel Pellegrini on his time at Real Madrid

Not a music fan then.

Maybe we should give the job to Rhys Chatham instead?
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Sun May 12, 2013 4:33 pm

Dunnylad wrote:
Lee_R wrote:"I can't get anything out of an orchestra if I have the 10 best guitarists but I don't have a pianist or a drummer"

- Manuel Pellegrini on his time at Real Madrid


So he can't count as surely that should have been 9 unless one of them was Phil Collins

If one of them's Phil Collins then he's not the man for us.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby zuricity » Sun May 12, 2013 4:41 pm

Lee_R wrote:"I can't get anything out of an orchestra if I have the 10 best guitarists but I don't have a pianist or a drummer"

- Manuel Pellegrini on his time at Real Madrid



Clearly knows sweet FA about Orchestral music then. Which self respecting Orchestra has 10 Guitarists in it ? Or a drummer , for that matter
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Re: pelligrini

Postby ashton287 » Sun May 12, 2013 4:51 pm

Mancini.

Fiorientina - 1 season - 1 coppa Italia.
Lazio - 2 seasons - 1 coppa Italia
Inter - 4 seasons - 3 seria a's - 2 coppa italias - 2 supercoppa italiana.
City - 3 and a half seasons - 1 premier league - 1 FA cup - 1 community shield.

Career win percentage 56.31%.


Pellegrini.

Villarreal - 5 seasons - 1 inter toto cup.
Real Madrid - 1 season - FUCK ALL.
Malaga - 2 and a half seasons - FUCK ALL.

Career win percentage 49.72%.

He has won fuck all. Never won anything in Europe apart from a " too shit to play in the Europa league" cup. Hasn't won a single domestic trophy in Europe.

If we let Mancini go I will be very fucking fucked off. He doesn't deserve sacking just because certain members of our team have decided to act like knobheads and half arse this entire season.

I don't give a shit what people say about him managing their fragile ego's. If they can't be arsed when they step onto the pitch, every time they step onto the pitch for every minute they are on the pitch then they can fuck off and mancini can stay, soft cunts. There is nothing he can do when they are on the pitch if they don't WANT to put the effort in.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Wooders » Sun May 12, 2013 4:53 pm

Do you honestly think the only issue this season is that a few key players haven't put enough effort in?

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Re: pelligrini

Postby avoidconfusion » Sun May 12, 2013 4:55 pm

ashton287 wrote:. There is nothing he can do when they are on the pitch if they don't WANT to put the effort in.


Both Nasri and Tevez looked the most arsed on Saturday, yet he took them off to bring on Milner and Rodwell... whilst Aguero, Silva, Barry, Yaya all had shockingly shit games.

The game also would have suited Dzeko yet he doesn't come on either... There is A LOT a manager can do about that... sadly Mancini isn't that kind of Manager.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Clowncrete » Sun May 12, 2013 5:13 pm

ashton287 wrote:Mancini.

Fiorientina - 1 season - 1 coppa Italia.
Lazio - 2 seasons - 1 coppa Italia
Inter - 4 seasons - 3 seria a's - 2 coppa italias - 2 supercoppa italiana.
City - 3 and a half seasons - 1 premier league - 1 FA cup - 1 community shield.

Career win percentage 56.31%.


Pellegrini.

Villarreal - 5 seasons - 1 inter toto cup.
Real Madrid - 1 season - FUCK ALL.
Malaga - 2 and a half seasons - FUCK ALL.

Career win percentage 49.72%.

He has won fuck all. Never won anything in Europe apart from a " too shit to play in the Europa league" cup. Hasn't won a single domestic trophy in Europe.

If we let Mancini go I will be very fucking fucked off. He doesn't deserve sacking just because certain members of our team have decided to act like knobheads and half arse this entire season.

I don't give a shit what people say about him managing their fragile ego's. If they can't be arsed when they step onto the pitch, every time they step onto the pitch for every minute they are on the pitch then they can fuck off and mancini can stay, soft cunts. There is nothing he can do when they are on the pitch if they don't WANT to put the effort in.


How do you explain his failed efforts in the CL, his constant bickering with our players, constant moaning about lack of transfers, poor tactics?

Klopp had won nothing before he was hired at BVB. Look how it has turned out.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Sideshow Bob » Sun May 12, 2013 5:15 pm

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Re: pelligrini

Postby ashton287 » Sun May 12, 2013 5:17 pm

Wooders wrote:Do you honestly think the only issue this season is that a few key players haven't put enough effort in?

Blinkered


What other reason is there for it?

Aguero has dropped 14 goals from last season, 12 in the league FFS. But that wouldn't have helped us atall would it?. It's not like goals win you games is it. Then don't worry about the 8 assists he is down from last season.

Silva's 17 assists and 6 goals compared to his 4 goals and 8 assists hasn't had any effect either I suppose.

Neither will yaya dropping 5 assists.

We have had an OK season defence wise. We have the best defence in the league but have still conceded 2 more with 2 games left to play than we did last season. Doesn't seem like much till you remember we won the league on goal difference.

Our key players have under performed. It's as simple as that. It's not blinkered its just the truth.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby ross.mcfc » Sun May 12, 2013 5:49 pm

I am not saying I want Pelligrini as our next manager but I am shocked that so many people are describing him as an unknown quantity. Seriously, if you don't know who he is you have no right posting on a football message board.

If he is appointed it will be because he has taken two unfashionable clubs on much smaller budgets way further than Mancini ever will with us in the CL. He has managed one of the two biggest clubs in the world and is widely respected around the footballing world. I understand his English is excellent already but I imagine our key Spanish speaking players Aguero, Zabs, Tevez, Toure, Silva will have a tremendous respect for him already.

When Mancini came in he had already failed dismally in the CL with side that went on to win the CL the following, He had won a few tainted Seria A titles and his English was basic at best.

I am not in favor of sacking Mancini but Pelligrini's CV reads a lot better than Mancini's before he took over at City.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Sun May 12, 2013 6:00 pm

ashton287 wrote:
Wooders wrote:Do you honestly think the only issue this season is that a few key players haven't put enough effort in?

Blinkered


What other reason is there for it?

Aguero has dropped 14 goals from last season, 12 in the league FFS. But that wouldn't have helped us atall would it?. It's not like goals win you games is it. Then don't worry about the 8 assists he is down from last season.

Silva's 17 assists and 6 goals compared to his 4 goals and 8 assists hasn't had any effect either I suppose.

Neither will yaya dropping 5 assists.

We have had an OK season defence wise. We have the best defence in the league but have still conceded 2 more with 2 games left to play than we did last season. Doesn't seem like much till you remember we won the league on goal difference.

Our key players have under performed. It's as simple as that. It's not blinkered its just the truth.

And as manager of the club, if his players aren't performing he must take the blame.
He hasn't got the best out of them.
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Dunnylad » Sun May 12, 2013 6:03 pm

ross.mcfc wrote:I am not in favor of sacking Mancini but Pelligrini's CV reads a lot better than Mancini's before he took over at City.


I enjoyed most if your post, but this bit I can't agree with. Mancini's CV wasn't just founded on his time at Inter there was success beforehand at Fiorentina & Lazio with the latter progressing well in UEFA Cup. On paper Mancini looks like a better manager, in reality I hope that that isn't the case otherwise we're going to have a revolving door policy thrown at us
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Re: pelligrini

Postby Bleed_Blue » Sun May 12, 2013 6:13 pm

Relax people there is going to be a full 90 minutes of Pellagrini in sometime, why dont you watch him :D

There is nothing we can do but be positive about him, and he is a decent bloke too

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Re: pelligrini

Postby Lev Bronstein » Sun May 12, 2013 6:15 pm

bobby brows wrote:defiantly watching Malaga on Sky tonight.

i think you have to look at Villarreal and what he did with Forlan and Riquelme


I wouldn't expect too much. Malaga are falling apart, and I think pellegrini has done a great job for them to have got this far.
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