pellegrini

[phips]

my whole point was that, in my opinion, a comparison of the managers' stats isnt valid.

and im not a jubliant hater. i didnt want mancini sacked. thanks.

so phil jackson's stats can be thrown in the bin too ?

so we've moved on to basketball now?

[Socrates]

Don't give a stuff what managers have achieved at smaller clubs with smaller budgets, we need a manager who can cut it at the top level, nothing in Pellegrini's CV says that he can, he is a huge risk and with little upside given his age, Hope we look elsewhere!

A record points total with Real Madrid (96 from 38 games) in La Liga says hello.

Gone after a year in the job says goodbye.

Which is pretty much universally seen as a stupid decision.

What we've established though is that there *is* something on his CV which says he can cut it at the top level, not to mention progress in the Champions League, so your lazy dismissal of him is simply bollox.

Not as stupid a decision as Mansour et al have just made. My dismissal is far from lazy, 1 year of top level management would be maybe enough for taking a chance on an up and coming young manager but he isn't that, he is towards the end of his career. I still think we must have signed a suicide pact with United...

[mcfc1632]

Well we have possibly jumped onto a slippery slope - lets all just hope it works out.

What are the options for the board if this appoitment does not work out? I know it is not confirmed but whoever is the replacement.

Do we get rid again? what do we do with the increasing backlog of playing staff on the books that the next new man will want to replace? How do we avoid the FFPR trap that was devised for situations like CITY present?

Oh well - whats done is done - we need it to work out else we are likely going to have big regrets.

Heres hoping

[xavi6]

Not as stupid a decision as Mansour et al have just made.

On face value I'm with you there for a number of reasons and I'm annoyed about it.

My dismissal is far from lazy, 1 year of top level management would be maybe enough for taking a chance on an up and coming young manager but he isn't that, he is towards the end of his career. I still think we must have signed a suicide pact with United...

That's the thing though, it depends what you see as the top level. If you're the owners you might be looking at a few years in the Champions League as the top level and good results with lesser teams. If that competition is their priority then Pellegrini actually makes perfect sense.

I'm sceptical of a man with no Premier League experience but not to the Martin Samuel "Fuck off Johnny Foreigner" extent.

[Socrates]

"Fuck off Johnny Foreigner"

Oi! No need to be rude to me ;p

To be fair, Samuel was including foreigners with experience in the Prem, like Martinez. I'm certainly not against him for that reason, Mancini had no experience here but was younger and more successful and was an educated gamble, I see this as a poor bet by comparison.

[xavi6]

"Fuck off Johnny Foreigner"

Oi! No need to be rude to me ;p

To be fair, Samuel was including foreigners with experience in the Prem, like Martinez. I'm certainly not against him for that reason, Mancini had no experience here but was younger and more successful and was an educated gamble, I see this as a poor bet by comparison.

Ha nice one!

Mancini was more successful domestically but his failings in Europe have always been seen as a big downside. Pellegrini on the flip side has some recent European pedigree and I think that's probably what the owners will take into consideration when appointing the next man.

Of course it could go completely tits up but I won't write him off before he's given a shot...if it is to be him.

[zuricity]

so we've moved on to basketball now?

no, but you living in the home of the 'stat' will surely be aware of 'Winningest Coaches'.

No statistic will ever explain or describe how David Silva beautifully volleyed the ball on to Edin in the 6-1 victory, but in general we can read something in the stats. Lies, damn lies and Statistics.

[zuricity]

Oi! No need to be rude to me ;p

To be fair, Samuel was including foreigners with experience in the Prem, like Martinez. I'm certainly not against him for that reason, Mancini had no experience here but was younger and more successful and was an educated gamble, I see this as a poor bet by comparison.

Nah, Roberto was not an educated gamble, he was a guaranteed success. He's proved himself time and time again.

Pellegrini is a gamble, much like Ramos at Spurs and at this time i would prefer to have the 'Ego' .
I think Jose would even take the League Cup seriously.
Just imagine the free press and media we would get around the world if he turns up in New York next week !

[DoomMerchant]

I'm not interested in Jose.

I'd have the Chilean bloke. Could they fuck this appointment up? Sure.

I just want someone in this week. Hurry.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I'd have the Chilean bloke. Could they fuck this appointment up? Sure.

And you just know that if they get him, he's gonna die of food poisoning or something.

[Blue Oli]

If he is the next manager we already have a song for him - heard it plenty of times at wembley

[sheblue]

If he is the next manager we already have a song for him - heard it plenty of times at wembley

lol shouldnt be too hard to adjust.

[Alioune DVToure]

Pellegrini oooh-oh
Pellegrini oooh-oh
He's come from the Costa del Sol
To a two-restaurant hell-hole

[Alioune DVToure]

Let's be honest. It's gonna be The Conga, innit? Sigh.

[Stannaz1988]

In all the papers and twitter everyone saying he good at giving youth a chance and will take no shit off players, really good article on him in the sun ( once you get past the pictures of shrek) I have a good feeling about his appointment if the rumours are true

[Blue Oli]

FFS


Replace Mancini with pellagrini
Replace Italy with chile


Job done song done

Simples

[john@staustell]

In all the papers and twitter everyone saying he good at giving youth a chance and will take no shit off players, really good article on him in the sun ( once you get past the pictures of shrek) I have a good feeling about his appointment if the rumours are true

Well if the press like him that's one good thing. They never liked Mancini and we have faced 3 years of concerted attacks and under-mining. Maybe they will set on that Moyes fella?

[Redna]

In all the papers and twitter everyone saying he good at giving youth a chance and will take no shit off players, really good article on him in the sun ( once you get past the pictures of shrek) I have a good feeling about his appointment if the rumours are true

Well if the press like him that's one good thing. They never liked Mancini and we have faced 3 years of concerted attacks and under-mining. Maybe they will set on that Moyes fella?

They will not set on Moyes, they will back him. He's what Juan Carlos of Spain was to Franco.
CTID!!

[Grandad Rosler]

FFS

Replace Mancini with pellagrini
Replace Italy with chile

Job done song done

Simples

Don't think it has quite the same ring to it to be fair especially how we would have to extend the pronunciation of Chile to make it fit

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

All Im seeking is a response to the questions in bold.


Its a democracy here Carl. Not a dictatorship.

Theres a reason I refer to taggart hes been a massive pain in our side for decades. He had a disappointing season a few years ago so has mourinho yet they are both considered the top managers in the game.

Anyone who makes the Munich reference is a bit of a knob. We did lose Frank Swift on that fateful night plus a lot of kids.

Regardless of the "business model" perception, surely you would admit that replacing a manager with a lower win percentage than our current one is madness?

Do you think a manager whose only European trophy was the intertoto cup 9 years ago will do better than Mancini?

As a highly successful manager I'm sure that you look at a CV, you go off accomplishments rather than hunches right?

As you talk about the lack of emotion in smart business decisions please compare both CV's

Please give me your evaluation on both.

Look at your post again - I responded in CAPITALS above.

Thanks for the response. I understand that you dont want to go on about this for ages but could we please look at a couple of things. This is not a "I want to win at all costs" Situation. I just want to get your thoughts on what I present.

First lets look at three managers and their win %
Mark Hughes
Wales Wales September 1999 September 2004 41 12 15 14 29.27
Blackburn Rovers England 15 September 2004 3 June 2008 188 82 47 59 43.62
Manchester City England 4 June 2008 19 December 2009 77 36 15 26 46.75
Fulham England 29 July 2010 2 June 2011 43 14 16 13 32.56
QPR England 10 January 2012 23 November 2012 34 8 6 20 23.53

Total 382 151 99 132 39.53

Roberto Mancini
Fiorentina 2001 2002 27 6 5 16 22.22
Lazio 2002 2004 102 49 32 21 48.04 Internazionale 2004 2008 227 140 61 26 61.67
Manchester City 2009 2013 191 113 38 40 59.16
Total 547 308 136 103 56.31

Manuel Pellegrini
San Lorenzo Argentina 1 June 2001 26 May 2002 50 21 17 12 42.00
River Plate Argentina 30 June 2002 30 June 2003 53 35 7 11 66.04
Villarreal Spain 1 July 2004 31 May 2009 259 123 72 64 47.49
Real Madrid Spain 2 June 2009 26 May 2010 48 36 5 7 75.00
Málaga Spain 5 November 2010 Present 128 52 30 46 40.63

Total 538 267 131 140 49.63

Could we look at these win percentages. All three managers have managed with both limited resources and massive investments. Hughes has won nothing in Europe domestic or otherwise
Pellegrini won the Intertoto cup in 2004
Mancini has won:
Fiorentina
Coppa Italia (1): 2000–01
Lazio
Coppa Italia (1): 2003–04
Internazionale
Serie A (3): 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08
Coppa Italia (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2005, 2006
Manchester City
Premier League (1): 2011–12
FA Cup (1): 2010–11
FA Community Shield (1): 2012

Six managers have won the Premier league, look at their prior win percentage. It is clear that the media hates us. They were complimentary about Hughes also but we didnt win shit under him and we wont under Pellegrini. I hope to be proven wrong but I doubt I will be.

Your thoughts please

What's even worse, you can't really say someone has "won" Intertoto Cup. There were what, like six, finals and "winners" every year.