'Expectations'?

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Re: 'Expectations'?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue May 14, 2013 12:40 pm

CTID Hants wrote:By getting rid of Booby, the club have clearly set out their stall out. If the new manager does not make the semi's in CL and deliver the Premier title then I fully expect him to go, taking the Spanish pair that employed him as well!!

The club have raised the stakes not me!!


Exactly. That's the standard now set by the club. Me, I could live with less but clearly that's not good enough anymore. And likewise, I don't want to hear any of that crap about giving time. That has gone out of the window now. By christmas we need to be topping the table or AT VERY LEAST withing five points of the top AND still in CL. Otherwise this new guy needs to get boot.

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Re: 'Expectations'?

Postby Blue Since 76 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:45 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Exactly. That's the standard now set by the club. Me, I could live with less but clearly that's not good enough anymore. And likewise, I don't want to hear any of that crap about giving time. That has gone out of the window now. By christmas we need to be topping the table or AT VERY LEAST withing five points of the top AND still in CL. Otherwise this new guy needs to get boot.

No time to waste for second rate efforts or set backs.


The sacking clearly had nothing to do with finishing second or losing the cup final. Lack of progression in the CL didn't help, but could have been excused if we'd been unlucky or even won a game.

The problem with Mancini was more about the off the field stuff, which is starting to leak out. The new manager will need to get that right to meet the expectations, whilst still challenging on the field.
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Re: 'Expectations'?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue May 14, 2013 12:49 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Exactly. That's the standard now set by the club. Me, I could live with less but clearly that's not good enough anymore. And likewise, I don't want to hear any of that crap about giving time. That has gone out of the window now. By christmas we need to be topping the table or AT VERY LEAST withing five points of the top AND still in CL. Otherwise this new guy needs to get boot.

No time to waste for second rate efforts or set backs.


The sacking clearly had nothing to do with finishing second or losing the cup final. Lack of progression in the CL didn't help, but could have been excused if we'd been unlucky or even won a game.

The problem with Mancini was more about the off the field stuff, which is starting to leak out. The new manager will need to get that right to meet the expectations, whilst still challenging on the field.


Then again, I don't much care if some players feel uncomfortable ESPECIALLY during a season that isn't going very well. In fact, isn't that what we want from manager?

I don't want some nice guy Eddie. I want someone who will bring us instant success. And that is what I expect.
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Re: 'Expectations'?

Postby Swales4ever » Tue May 14, 2013 12:51 pm

If the embarrassing Official statement was to be literally taken and given the main opposition haven't certainly been enforced by the swap of the Old Flask with a young manager still to learn the way it goes at rarefied heights and given that proper signing are likely to come, now, one would have to expect not less than another title and a run to CL quartefinals.

I'd gladly take a top 3 finish, if the foreseen picture is going to be actually painted.
As for the Chumps, it will mainly depend on the draw as usual, and now that Platini may have seen that the Club on their own can do better than FFP to unsettle themselves, we might have a fairer chance, maybe.

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Re: 'Expectations'?

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Tue May 14, 2013 12:59 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Exactly. That's the standard now set by the club. Me, I could live with less but clearly that's not good enough anymore. And likewise, I don't want to hear any of that crap about giving time. That has gone out of the window now. By christmas we need to be topping the table or AT VERY LEAST withing five points of the top AND still in CL. Otherwise this new guy needs to get boot.

No time to waste for second rate efforts or set backs.


The sacking clearly had nothing to do with finishing second or losing the cup final. Lack of progression in the CL didn't help, but could have been excused if we'd been unlucky or even won a game.

The problem with Mancini was more about the off the field stuff, which is starting to leak out. The new manager will need to get that right to meet the expectations, whilst still challenging on the field.


This seems to be the main point leaking out. He upset nearly all the wrong people.

My expectations are for whoever the new man is, to deal with the lack of pace and width in the squad. To bring an entertaining style of play back. For us to compete in the league for longer this time, (it was clear we wouldn't win the league even back in September, done and dusted before Christmas.) To sort out the suspect away form. To perform better in Europe. (I thought Bob was slightly unlucky last season when ten points wasn't enough, and we got stitched up at Bayern, but the effort at Napoli became the norm sadly)
Europe is extremely important.
A pot would be very nice, but as long as the other stuff can be seen to be improved dramatically, I'll be happy.
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Re: 'Expectations'?

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Tue May 14, 2013 1:01 pm

Oh and not to shit it every time we turn up somewhere a bit tough.
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Re: 'Expectations'?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue May 14, 2013 1:03 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:This seems to be the main point leaking out. He upset nearly all the wrong people.



You seem to count yourself among them.
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Re: 'Expectations'?

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Tue May 14, 2013 1:05 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:This seems to be the main point leaking out. He upset nearly all the wrong people.



You seem to count yourself among them.


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Re: 'Expectations'?

Postby Blue Since 76 » Tue May 14, 2013 1:56 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Then again, I don't much care if some players feel uncomfortable ESPECIALLY during a season that isn't going very well. In fact, isn't that what we want from manager?

I don't want some nice guy Eddie. I want someone who will bring us instant success. And that is what I expect.


I suspect if you told Zabaleta he was slow, had no positional sense, made rash tackles and was the worst full back you've ever seen, he'd look like Maldini in the next game.

Tell Nasri that you think he occasionally goes missing in games and he'll probably spend the next two weeks crying in a darkened room.

The best managers know how to get the best out of all personality types. Hate to say it, but that was one thing Sauron was great at, so it'll be interesting to see if Gollum can cope with the more fragile egos in their squad.

Mancini was openly critical of a number of players and it's clear many of them didn't respond too well to it.

I too don't want a nice guy Eddie and I want someone that will bring us success. If that means someone who punches Zabaleta but gives Nasri a reach around, so be it
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Re: 'Expectations'?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue May 14, 2013 2:05 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Then again, I don't much care if some players feel uncomfortable ESPECIALLY during a season that isn't going very well. In fact, isn't that what we want from manager?

I don't want some nice guy Eddie. I want someone who will bring us instant success. And that is what I expect.


I suspect if you told Zabaleta he was slow, had no positional sense, made rash tackles and was the worst full back you've ever seen, he'd look like Maldini in the next game.

Tell Nasri that you think he occasionally goes missing in games and he'll probably spend the next two weeks crying in a darkened room.

The best managers know how to get the best out of all personality types. Hate to say it, but that was one thing Sauron was great at, so it'll be interesting to see if Gollum can cope with the more fragile egos in their squad.

Mancini was openly critical of a number of players and it's clear many of them didn't respond too well to it.

I too don't want a nice guy Eddie and I want someone that will bring us success. If that means someone who punches Zabaleta but gives Nasri a reach around, so be it


I don't disagree with that. Like I said, Mancini's biggest flaw overall was that he was still living in 80's. No one gave shit about crying little shitheads like Nasri back then. BUT it seems that hard as rusty nails approach doesn't work in modern football, especially not in long term, as well as it used to. You have to massage some of these fragile egos and that's the name of the game.
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