pellegrini

[zuricity]

What planet are you on? Our title challenge was over before Christmas and we never got close. It was a pitiful title defence.

what do you mean ? 'what planet ?' you know damn well we were still in with a chance until the cock up at Soton

[littlebig]

The chairnan has signalled a revolving door option from now on. He wants trophies every season.

I don't agree with that point of view. Hughes was deemed not good enough and sacked, same for Roberto

[Swales4ever]

I get your point. Having a winning manager for 20 years is better than 4 winning managers for 5 years apiece.
Getting 10 years or so out of Pellegrini, if he does come and is successful, wouldnt be too bad.

if it's all about winning trophies , it doesn't matter how long a coach stays. Chelsea have proved that again. And we tonked them four times this season !

Mancini brought all the important things together and was very successful , perhaps beating expectations.

The chairnan has signalled a revolving door option from now on. He wants trophies every season.

There's no point in letting emotion affect your thoughts on the next manager, because any slip up means the next one will be brought in.

The idea of a Dynasty under one Manager is not the way ahead. Things worked in the rags favour to enable it. You've only got to look at other managers with a dynasty ,Moyes at Everton , won nowt, Wenger at the Arse... nowt in 7 (8 now ?) .

If for example, we got Messi. Barca would most likely win nothing for a few years until they regrouped and developed a new style of play, ( they weren't always tiki taki)

The danger is our Chairman has set a no tolerance of failure ( trophies must be won) policy . Holistic ? , just another bluff tactic.

Bringing on youngsters ? holistically ? we might get one or two. The dream of an entire team coming through the ranks , is just that, it will take a decade at least .Pixie and Dixie will be gone by then, found out , just like at Barca.
Roberto Mancini deserved another season to get more trophies under his belt, the Chairman let him down there.

Pellegrini ? i can't see it happening with him, but if it means we have Isco signed up for the next five years perhaps that is the price we pay.

For immediate gratification , only Jose will now do and i suppose i'll have to be quiet about Jose cos i can't stand his arrogance and negativity( style of play and tactics) but it has brought trophies.

You certainly have a point, but I think that this holistic thingy signals something more.

Imo, It's always been drawn bearing in mind the big corporation model. I've thought this since the first time I saw the "Executive Committee" in the chart, and that the manager wasn't coopted within. When Mancini joined i thought and hoped that he could have broke through by the years and made Khaldoon mind on a more Footballing Industry oriented model. Given Mancini's widespread abilities and what seemed a genuine emphatic relation between the two. But at the the end my hopes have proved wrong and it's easy to say that Bob's character and general attitude towards business politics didn't help either.

Imo, it's bright as the sun that, since now on, having them deemed it's suitable time to start phase three, it will be more and more a time for risiko men. And they consider that footballers - irrespectively for political attitude - aren't supposed qualified enough for partner the task.

I think You are one of the few who may follow this line of reasoning and would be interested in your opinion.

I'm not arguing which is deffo wrong - theoretically speaking - but in order to work out it would require a very improbable blend of top management abilities and very solid footballing competences in every member, which in turn make it practically unlikely.
Football is a very sensible and unique sector of business. It's my opinion that, when the right manager meets the right Club and the opportunity to build on a dynasty arises, the Rags model is still the most effective in football, even if the glory 80s/90s have long past.

[bobby brows]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manuel-pellegrini-manchester-city-football-1892782

I hope i have done the link properly.The Mirror proving once again what a rag sheet it really is.


I'd be happy with that scenario.

I've been simulating that with myself as manager for 10 seasons. 10 league titles, 9 FA Cups, 9 League Cups, 8 Champions Leagues, 8 World Club Championships, 8 Super Cups, 10 Charity Shields, averaged over 150 league goals per season, reached 100 points in every season but one (99) and had 4 years where we went unbeaten in the league. Oh and Micah Richards beat Alan Oakes record and Sergio Aguero has scored 450 league goals. The least believable bit of it all...England won the 2014 World Cup!

[Dubaimancityfan]

Just read a good report on Pellegrini on BBC Sport. Here is the link if anyone's interested:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22529972

I especially like the last paragraph:

And there is one final factor to warm the hearts of City fans: David Moyes' best Premier League finish with Everton was fourth in 2005, but the Toffees failed to reach the Champions League group stage after losing out in the preliminary round, with a 4-2 aggregate defeat.
Their conquerors were none other than Manuel Pellegrini's Villarreal. City 1, United 0?

[zuricity]

I don't agree with that point of view. Hughes was deemed not good enough and sacked, same for Roberto

so winning the Fa cup and PL isn't good enough ? Whoever takes the job is a dead man walking .

At least there are some great places to go in Lisbon when we get to the CL final next season

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Just read a good report on Pellegrini on BBC Sport. Here is the link if anyone's interested:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22529972

I especially like the last paragraph:

And there is one final factor to warm the hearts of City fans: David Moyes' best Premier League finish with Everton was fourth in 2005, but the Toffees failed to reach the Champions League group stage after losing out in the preliminary round, with a 4-2 aggregate defeat.
Their conquerors were none other than Manuel Pellegrini's Villarreal. City 1, United 0?

Thanks for posting the link. A good read, that.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I don't agree with that point of view. Hughes was deemed not good enough and sacked, same for Roberto

so winning the Fa cup and PL isn't good enough ? Whoever takes the job is a dead man walking .

At least there are some great places to go in Lisbon when we get to the CL final next season

Like I said on expectations thread, it's horrible platform for Pellegrini if supporters really genuinely feel that target should be winning just about everything. Dead man walking. And that's why I said that I predict that Pellegrini will be out in 12 months. The whole thing feels to me that he is being set up for failure.

[john68]

I don't agree with that point of view. Hughes was deemed not good enough and sacked, same for Roberto

so winning the Fa cup and PL isn't good enough ? Whoever takes the job is a dead man walking .

At least there are some great places to go in Lisbon when we get to the CL final next season

Like I said on expectations thread, it's horrible platform for Pellegrini if supporters really genuinely feel that target should be winning just about everything. Dead man walking. And that's why I said that I predict that Pellegrini will be out in 12 months. The whole thing feels to me that he is being set up for failure.

We scrape the League by goal difference. Our two nearest rivals strengthen their squads with the same players we have targetted. We leave our buying to the last week of the window and get stuck with a choice of what's left and people EXPECT us to beat our nearest rivals by more than the year before...????

[JonnyAsh]

With a foreign coach, there's usually at least one Brit drafted in with league experience..I guess it just eases transition.
I don't think Sven had one, as he knew all about English football with his national team set up, but I wonder who, if anyone is a likely candidate?
Kidd deserves a chance, but I wonder if he, himself would feel he's done his bit with Mancini.
Any ideas or thoughts?

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

what do you mean ? 'what planet ?' you know damn well we were still in with a chance until the cock up at Soton

Were we bollox.
It was clear we weren't good enough in September and gone realistically before Christmas. You're crackers. It was a very distant second.

[john68]

what do you mean ? 'what planet ?' you know damn well we were still in with a chance until the cock up at Soton

Were we bollox.
It was clear we weren't good enough in September and gone realistically before Christmas. You're crackers. It was a very distant second.

We're not crackers Piccs, (well we are but happily so)...You're just depressed.

[gillie]

what do you mean ? 'what planet ?' you know damn well we were still in with a chance until the cock up at Soton

Were we bollox.
It was clear we weren't good enough in September and gone realistically before Christmas. You're crackers. It was a very distant second.

A distant second to a very poor rag team imo.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

We scrape the League by goal difference. Our two nearest rivals strengthen their squads with the same players we have targetted. We leave our buying to the last week of the window and get stuck with a choice of what's left and people EXPECT us to beat our nearest rivals by more than the year before...????

But we were still gelling and getting better!
And don't forget the advantage of the "stability" we had.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I don't agree with that point of view. Hughes was deemed not good enough and sacked, same for Roberto

so winning the Fa cup and PL isn't good enough ? Whoever takes the job is a dead man walking .

At least there are some great places to go in Lisbon when we get to the CL final next season

Like I said on expectations thread, it's horrible platform for Pellegrini if supporters really genuinely feel that target should be winning just about everything. Dead man walking. And that's why I said that I predict that Pellegrini will be out in 12 months. The whole thing feels to me that he is being set up for failure.

We scrape the League by goal difference. Our two nearest rivals strengthen their squads with the same players we have targetted. We leave our buying to the last week of the window and get stuck with a choice of what's left and people EXPECT us to beat our nearest rivals by more than the year before...????

That was the weird thing throughout this season reading posts here. People were going on and on and on how shit this united team was. The team that finished same points with us last year and that was mainly because they lacked elite finisher. Then they add one and still people were telling that they are shite. Well watching their games this season, they sure as hell didn't look "shit" at all. Unfortunately.

I'm not making excuses here for Mancini as such but that was really good united team work their arses off and generally dominating this league from top to bottom. I hate to admit it but that's just the way it was. Do I think we should've been closer to them in the end? Absolutely. Do I think we came second to a shit team? No.

We were going for Eden Hazard and RvP last summer and managed to bag neither. In league alone they managed bag combined 34 goals and gave 24 assists. And what was our downfall this year? Not scoring enough goals.

[john68]

We scrape the League by goal difference. Our two nearest rivals strengthen their squads with the same players we have targetted. We leave our buying to the last week of the window and get stuck with a choice of what's left and people EXPECT us to beat our nearest rivals by more than the year before...????

But we were still gelling and getting better!
And don't forget the advantage of the "stability" we had.

You need hair to do that Piccs...as bad as Noolie liking Curling.

Obviously Piccs, we were not getting better...you kept telling us. Now you're lying....:-)

[gillie]

what do you mean ? 'what planet ?' you know damn well we were still in with a chance until the cock up at Soton

Were we bollox.
It was clear we weren't good enough in September and gone realistically before Christmas. You're crackers. It was a very distant second.

We're not crackers Piccs, (well we are but happily so)...You're just depressed.

So you are upset that we got rid of Mancini are you John? Hence why you are rubbishing Pellegrini's imminent appointment.Well done mate thanks for giving him the same chance as Mancini.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Kidd deserves a chance, but I wonder if he, himself would feel he's done his bit with Mancini.

I was bit on a wind up in Kidd thread but I say this honestly now. Kidd is a fantastic number two. One of the best in the world without a doubt. But never ever should he be given another chance as number one. He was like a deer caught in the headlights in Blackburn. It was really really bad. Some people are natural managers and some people are natural assistants. Kidd is latter.

[john68]

Being serious Michael. I don't agree with the sacking No. Am I upset? No Mate, I have seen too many come and go since McDowall in 63. Mancini will be well paid and soon back in work.

I am not rubbishing whoever our next guy is Mate. I am a blue and will remain supportive of my club.

I am rubbishing the shite that is coming out from Pixie and Dixie. They are lying and their lies are so blatant that it's an insult to City fans. They are treating supporters like sheep.

[Scatman]

Being serious Michael. I don't agree with the sacking No. Am I upset? No Mate, I have seen too many come and go since McDowall in 63. Mancini will be well paid and soon back in work.

I am not rubbishing whoever our next guy is Mate. I am a blue and will remain supportive of my club.

I am rubbishing the shite that is coming out from Pixie and Dixie. They are lying and their lies are so blatant that it's an insult to City fans. They are treating supporters like sheep.

What do you believe to be the truth?